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In Zimmerman Trial, Prosecution Witnesses Bolster Self-Defense Claims (the New York Times?)
The New York Times ^ | June 30, 2013 | Lizette Alvarez

Posted on 06/30/2013 8:14:48 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

As the trial of George Zimmerman enters its second week on Monday, it appears that the prosecution is struggling to meet the burden of proving him guilty of second-degree murder, legal analysts said.

The first week of the trial featured testimony from prosecution witnesses that in many instances bolstered Mr. Zimmerman’s argument of self-defense rather than the state’s case, the analysts said.

“When you are talking about state witnesses as if they are defense witnesses, that is a problem for the State of Florida,” said Diana Tennis, a prominent Orlando defense lawyer who is following the case. “And any time you end each day with either a zero-sum game or the defense coming out ahead, that’s a problem when you’re the prosecution.”

In light of the first week, analysts said that prosecutors should have charged Mr. Zimmerman with manslaughter instead of second-degree murder, which involves a showing of hatred, spite or evil intent. The jury can still consider manslaughter, but doing so could complicate closing arguments and deliberations.

“The state is overreaching, and I think that may well come back to bite them in terms of credibility,” said Michael Band, a longtime Miami prosecutor and now a defense lawyer.....

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


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KEYWORDS: florida; kangaroo; railroaded; trayvon; trayvonstroops; zimmerman
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To: Bryan24
the prosecution would screw up so that they could admit all the damning evidence of Martin’s past misdeeds

Martin's past has nothing to do with the case.

It's a straightforward self-defense case, reasonable doubt is present, K.I.S.S.

21 posted on 06/30/2013 8:43:44 PM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: soycd
I’m still waiting for a major media to point out the fact that Zimmerman is being railroaded to placate the black racist masses who will riot for any perceived slight.

When the Raiders lose there are riots in Oakland.

When the Raiders win there are riots in Oakland.

22 posted on 06/30/2013 8:44:31 PM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of oppression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Disregard her commentary. She's a "white Hispanic", therefore a racist, creepy ass cracker.

/sarc

23 posted on 06/30/2013 8:49:39 PM PDT by onemiddleamerican (FUBO and all your terrorist buddies)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Interesting article. NYT back peddling as they see the waterfall coming up ?


[ he could have gone home without further contact.]

It was Rachel’s testimony that Trayvon did make it home.
It was Rachel’s testimony that Trayvon was out of breath after he tried to ‘lose’ George.
It was Rachel’s testimony that when Trayvon ran into George again, he was out of breath.

This would logically mean that he ran to the safety of his backyard, then took off and circled around George coming back to meet him.

It was Rachel’s testimony that Trayvon again ‘ran’ into George where the ‘conversation’ between the two took place.

This indicates he was successful at getting away from the house and back out into the neighborhood where George and Travyon ended up in physical struggle, without George being able to spot him.

According to the evidence and testimony so far, Trayvon was ‘at’ home, but chose to go back and confront the creepyasscrackah who he feared was going to rape him.


24 posted on 06/30/2013 8:50:01 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Gangster wanna be - 0

Hispanic with Jewish sounding name - 1

After watching the so-called “trial” it is very plain to see that the race pimps, including Obama, pushed the FL. governor under the threat of losing the black vote to go after Zimmerman. They circumvented the grand jury system and the media willingly went around with the farce.

IMO the little gangster was on the phone with his moronic 18 year old “girlfriend” who likely goaded him in to going after Zimmerman. After doing so she thought so little of what may or may not have occurred she didn’t even follow up much to see what happened to her “friend”. Same with the gangster wanna-be and his father. Not a hint of concern that a 17 year old was not at home overnight.

Sometimes at night I listen to the Chicago police scanner. It is like a war zone. Almost every call is “black male” or “black male with hoodie”. Black males aged 17-35 have killed thousands in recent years, usually other blacks. Blacks make up about 33% of the Chicago population but account for nearly 78% of the murder victims. I recently heard a comedian say that today there is no need for the KKK because blacks are killing each other at a pace the KKK could never keep up with.

What kind of person throws money at Syrians that kill priests and Christians and gallops around spending $100’s of millions of dollars on road trips when his “home town” is awash in blood? A G-dless one.


25 posted on 06/30/2013 8:50:21 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (NO MORE IRS!)
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To: soycd
I’m still waiting for a major media to point out the fact that Zimmerman is being railroaded to placate the black racist masses who will riot for any perceived slight.

You want them to say sorry for what they created and hoped would happen as a result?

You seem to be under the impression that they give a s*** about the truth. They don't care about the truth!

The mass media ain't done with this one yet. When Zimmerman is acquitted, which looks likely, they will gleefully cover the riots afterwords that they created themselves with their false reporting.

William Randalph Hearst and Yellow Journalism are alive and well.

26 posted on 06/30/2013 8:51:54 PM PDT by Ditto
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The state is already committed to its stupidity.

Expect it to double down on its stupidity this week — even calling Shelly Zimmerman to get into the Pay Pal stuff.

They have entered the desperate phase and can’t put the brakes on as the Talking Torsos shake their heads all week long.


27 posted on 06/30/2013 8:52:21 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: 101stAirborneVet; digger48

My computer will be tuned to the trial at 8:30 am. I can’t stay away. Even while I do bookkeeping I am listening. Often take a peek.


28 posted on 06/30/2013 8:54:07 PM PDT by Bronzy
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To: Friendofgeorge

What you are missing is that The Cops, the Lawyers, the Prosecutor did not want to even press charges.

The Attorney General of the State of Florida ordered Cory Booker to order them to press charges and take it to trial.


29 posted on 06/30/2013 8:54:21 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks 2ndDivisionVet.

After George Zimmerman is found NOT GUILTY, he and his family need to sue the ever-lovin’ s*** out of his would-be killer’s family, the media and political charlatans behind the bogus prosecution, and drag the prosecutors themselves to disbarment hearings.


30 posted on 06/30/2013 8:55:11 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I read this post on another site a few days ago:

My son is friends with a couple of Sanford policeman, and one of them is officer Smith, who testified today at the trial. They meet-up alot at a local watering hole.

They told him that the state attorneys who are prosecuting at the trial did not want, nor did they have the desire, to proscute Zimmerman. From the evidence that they have, they knew he wasn’t guilty, but that witch Cory wanted it done.

What this bitch wants, she gets, because she is very vindictive, and if she doesn’t like you (for what ever reason), you need to cover your ass, because she will come afer you from all sides.

I’m sure someone put a bug up her ass to go after GZ. I wonder who that person is?


31 posted on 06/30/2013 8:55:54 PM PDT by toldyou (Even if the voices aren't real, they have some pretty good ideas.)
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To: toldyou

Governor Rick Scott (R-FL), and btw, Angela is also a Republican.


32 posted on 06/30/2013 9:01:28 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's next run. What'll you do?)
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To: toldyou

That confirms what a few of us have suspected.


33 posted on 06/30/2013 9:01:45 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I don’t think Martin was slamming Zimmerman’s head, I think TM was MMA hiting GZ and each time Zimmerman lifted his head it was driven onto the concrete. Subtle but more plausible scenario.

I was in a brutal fight at 17 where I did bounce the other guys head on the cement (self defense). Similar size and physical shape, you bet Zimmerman was afraid for his life.


34 posted on 06/30/2013 9:06:29 PM PDT by DaxtonBrown (http://www.futurnamics.com/reid.php)
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To: soycd

The MSM are very close to the Martin family publicist, Ryan Julison

35 posted on 06/30/2013 9:06:45 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“It seems likely that Zimmerman was so disoriented by the sudden attack that he forgot he was armed. No premeditation, no evil intent - rather it was justifiable self defense.”

Exactly. There is no evidence that it evens rises to the level of manslaughter. Only black politics is why the case was even brought to trial.


36 posted on 06/30/2013 9:07:12 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: isthisnickcool
If his name had been Jose Rodriguez instead of George Zimmerman then there would have been no indictment in the first place.

At first they thought he was Jewish.

They looked at the name and conjured up an image such as this.

If his name had been Jose Rodriguez this is what they'd have imagined him to look like.

Liberals are such racists.

37 posted on 06/30/2013 9:07:20 PM PDT by Bobalu (It is not obama we are fighting, it is the media.)
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To: Red Steel
Geraldo, the last time I heard him opine on this (a day or two ago), was still claiming that Zimmerman provoked the confrontation.

Geraldo's analysis of the Aaron Hernandez murder case is that Hernandez got enraged over a perceived insult. He fails to recognize that the same explanation accounts for Trayvon's behavior--going to attack Zimmerman when he had no reason to, other than that he saw that Zimmerman was observing what he was up to.

If Zimmerman had not come along, nobody would have heard of either of them...but one of the local homeowners might have come home and found his place robbed.

Apparently that "younger brother" that Trayvon supposedly went to buy Skittles for isn't related to him--he is a son of Trayvon's father's then-girlfriend.

38 posted on 06/30/2013 9:07:36 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Bobalu

Gin up some slogans for the corrupt government prosecution:

If he’s a cracker, he must be the attacker.


39 posted on 06/30/2013 9:10:07 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Verginius Rufus

Jerry Rivers always was a little slow on the uptake.


40 posted on 06/30/2013 9:12:10 PM PDT by Red Steel
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