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Senators Ask if NSA Collected Gun Data: Potential to construct gun database, senators say
The Washington Free Beacon ^ | June 28, 2013 | C.J. Ciaramella

Posted on 06/30/2013 2:20:05 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Senators are questioning whether the National Security Agency collected bulk data on more than just Americans’ phone records, such as firearm and book purchases.

A bipartisan group of 26 senators, led by Sen. Ron Wyden (D., Ore.) asked Director of National Intelligence James Clapper to detail the scope and limits of the National Security Agency’s surveillance activities in a letter released Friday.

“We are concerned that by depending on secret interpretations of the PATRIOT Act that differed from an intuitive reading of the statute, this program essentially relied for years on a secret body of law,” the senators wrote in the letter.

The NSA’s surveillance program has come under intense scrutiny following a leak revealing the agency harvested the phone metadata of millions of American citizens.

The senators noted that the federal government’s authority under Section 215 of the PATRIOT Act is broad and rife with potential for abuse. Among the senators’ concerns was whether the NSA’s bulk data harvesting program could be used to construct a gun registry or violate other privacy laws.

“It can be used to collect information on credit card purchases, pharmacy records, library records, firearm sales records, financial information, and a range of other sensitive subjects,” the senators wrote. “And the bulk collection authority could potentially be used to supersede bans on maintaining gun owner databases, or laws protecting the privacy of medical records, financial records, and records of book and movie purchases.”

The senators asked Clapper in the letter whether the NSA used PATRIOT Act authorities to conduct bulk collection of other types of records, and whether there are any instances of the agency violating a court order in the process of such collections.....

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; nsa; obama; secondamendment; surveillance

1 posted on 06/30/2013 2:20:05 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They wouldn’t lie to you Mr. Senator, would they?


2 posted on 06/30/2013 2:23:29 PM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Senators are questioning whether the National Security Agency collected bulk data on more than just Americans’ phone records, such as firearm and book purchases.

Geez, ya' think? /sarc

3 posted on 06/30/2013 2:24:22 PM PDT by Malone LaVeigh
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This administration has no hesitation in lying to Congress, so what makes anyone think they will answer these questions honestly?

Until the registry is discovered, the mantra is deny, deny, deny.


4 posted on 06/30/2013 2:24:50 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yeah—like this will lead to the truth.........../s


5 posted on 06/30/2013 2:25:03 PM PDT by basil (ear)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They will say no, but not say that with a couple of clicks in the database program, they can find any credit card purchases from any of a thousand places like Cabela’s or dirtcheapammo.com etc. and start from there.


6 posted on 06/30/2013 2:32:34 PM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If Congress were serious they would serve them with a subpoena duces tecum (look it up) and if they produced nothing, an analyst team with security clearance shows up unannounced with a court order.

That’s really cute, isn’t it? I was actually thinking Congress might be serious about protecting the American people from one of their overreaching fellow feral agencies. Never mind .......... heh.


7 posted on 06/30/2013 2:46:44 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Short answer: Of course they did. What do you intend to do about it?


8 posted on 06/30/2013 2:51:27 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: TBP

What Good Can a Handgun Do Against An Army?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2312894/posts


9 posted on 06/30/2013 2:54:39 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's next run. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Clapper is researching how to give the least untruthful answer.
10 posted on 06/30/2013 3:21:08 PM PDT by JPG (Stay strong.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They never fail to amaze me with the depths they’re going to to mess with us.

B*stards.


11 posted on 06/30/2013 3:25:04 PM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Thank you for posting that. I wanted to post that the other day in a different thread, but I didn’t have time to search for it. Now it is book marked ... to be used regularly.


12 posted on 06/30/2013 3:43:59 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe - Shall not be questioned)
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To: BipolarBob

I think Congress has to start water boarding these idiots.


13 posted on 06/30/2013 4:11:52 PM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
NICS checks by phone?

Got 'em

Ammo orders by web?

Got 'em.

Magazines? Parts? optics? Cases? Tactical stuff? Holsters?

Check, check, check, check, check, and... Check! Got 'em!

Any communication that has traveled by phone, involved a credit/debit card, etc. The 4473 was just a formality.

Got the gun private sale, cash? good start. Ordered the 'stuff' and ammo on line? that leaves a trail. (Perhaps best to have one on paper, one (or more) not--the one on paper will be the one they look for, but will hide the traceable ammo buy for the other--unless you paid cash for that in person also.

But then, the same goes for most anything.

14 posted on 06/30/2013 4:16:13 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If he says no, you can be sure he is telling the truth/s


15 posted on 06/30/2013 4:32:30 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: dagogo redux

If there was a Like button, I would hit it for your post.


16 posted on 06/30/2013 4:33:41 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The organs of tyranny can collect all the info they want, makes little difference or can stop razors to the throat of such architects in the shadows. The fomenting rage in this country will only last so long til the damn bursts.


17 posted on 06/30/2013 4:51:18 PM PDT by TheBigJ
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To: TheBigJ
“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”

― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

18 posted on 06/30/2013 4:53:01 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's next run. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; ADemocratNoMore; Akron Al; arbee4bush; agrace; ATOMIC_PUNK; Badeye; Bikers4Bush; ...

Ohio Ping

A bipartisan group of 26 senators, led by Sen. Ron Wyden (D., Ore.) asked Director of National Intelligence James Clapper to detail the scope and limits of the National Security Agency’s surveillance activities in a letter released Friday.

SNIP

Among the senators’ concerns was whether the NSA’s bulk data harvesting program could be used to construct a gun registry or violate other privacy laws.


19 posted on 06/30/2013 5:10:15 PM PDT by Whenifhow
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To: TheBigJ

When they finally decide to use the NSA data to confiscate guns, all the databases in the world won’t be able to save them from the blowback.


20 posted on 06/30/2013 5:19:32 PM PDT by Thane_Banquo ( Walker 2016)
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To: NFHale

As one who believed in peaceful change, I now simply think its time for a change achieved using whatever means necessary. This is beyond acceptable.


21 posted on 06/30/2013 5:34:29 PM PDT by chiller (NBCNews et al is in the tank and should be embarrassed)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They/we already know the 4th is dead, what’s one more Amendment in the bonfire?

Not like they’ll rollback any law/regulation/department.

Not like anyone has to fear prison for doing anything illegal anywho.


22 posted on 06/30/2013 5:36:34 PM PDT by i_robot73 (We hold that all individuals have the Right to exercise sole dominion over their own lives - LP.org)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

23 posted on 06/30/2013 5:41:56 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I was called with a poll. It sounded like Bloomberg’s group funded it. They asked if I owned a gun. Yeah! As if I would answer THAT question!


24 posted on 06/30/2013 6:14:08 PM PDT by originalbuckeye (Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy)
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To: Smokin' Joe

“NICS checks by phone?
Got ‘em

Ammo orders by web?

Got ‘em.”

Way too complicated. They only need to search your google record. Google allready knew ....

But the real fun stuff are the biometric photos needed for a passport. And the drivers license photo database to enhance the autoscan when identifying protesters. http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterjreilly/2013/05/23/tea-party-demonstrations-and-homeland-security-another-non-event/ http://travel.state.gov/passport/pptphotoreq/pptphotoreq_5333.html


25 posted on 06/30/2013 9:01:59 PM PDT by SgtBilko
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What country are we living in?


26 posted on 06/30/2013 9:13:57 PM PDT by BAW (NSA.is reading this.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

of course they did- that is why health centers and hospitals all across the nation began routinely askign patients if they had guns in their homes (pretendign hte quesiton was only about ‘protecting’ suicidal or homicidal patients’)- State governments FORCED helath centers to becoem rats- to betray the trust of their patients and to report ANY guns immediately-

If NSA denied they collected gun info- they are liars!


27 posted on 06/30/2013 11:33:03 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: Erik Latranyi

[[Until the registry is discovered]]

What we need is a richard snowden of the NSA to come forward


28 posted on 06/30/2013 11:34:08 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: NFHale

[[They never fail to amaze me with the depths they’re going to to mess with us.]]

They aint messin with us- they are messin with a do nothign GOP who fall victim to their tactics EVERY damn time- The GOP should be dmaninding hte NSA hand over ALL their records for private scrutiny, and holdign aNYONE who refuses accooutnable-


29 posted on 06/30/2013 11:36:01 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Whenifhow.


30 posted on 07/01/2013 3:27:07 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Revolt is coming.


31 posted on 07/01/2013 4:01:57 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: chiller

“...I now simply think its time for a change achieved using whatever means necessary. ...”

Lot of that going around lately...


32 posted on 07/01/2013 6:27:47 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: CottShop

“...they are messin with a do nothign GOP...”

Well, yeah, they’re messing with THEM too; but “the GOP” in Congress aren’t the folks buying and owning firearms because they’re worried.


33 posted on 07/01/2013 6:37:15 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The media keeps throwing around the term "metadata" like they know anything about big-data and the underlying analytics. Metadata is not innocuous - it's where meaning is derived - it's the good stuff.

I know... I've been involved on the cutting edge of data storage and analytics for 30 years - pioneering distributed and very large databases (VLDBs) that model / manage very complex party relationships. I was an executive at 2 of oldest, largest, and most successful global data companies.

It was scary what they knew about people, entities, relationships, and behaviors - both historic and predictive. The NSA is light years ahead of these companies - with unlimited resources and no accountability on either laws or results.

34 posted on 07/01/2013 9:11:32 PM PDT by uncommonsense (Liberals see what they believe; Conservatives believe what they see.)
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