ATF leader who oversaw botched sting will run Phoenix office

Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel ^ | 6/30/2013 | John Diedrich

[rabidralph]

The ATF leader who oversaw a botched undercover operation in Milwaukee will now be in charge of the agency's embattled Phoenix office, where agents allowed more than 2,000 guns to walk into the hands of suspected criminals through the infamous "Operation Fast and Furious."

[editor-surveyor]

>> “ The forests can be cleared with a match.” <<

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Yet thousands of land owners in wild lands are suing the state over the 100 foot clear space requirement in California, calling it unreasonable.

There is going to be much weeping and wailing as the end rolls out.

[editor-surveyor]

"Hopefully he has learned from his mistakes and will do a better job of covering up his activities victims"

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[Carry_Okie]

Yet thousands of land owners in wild lands are suing the state over the 100 foot clear space requirement in California, calling it unreasonable.

In some cases it is; in others it's not enough. That's what's wrong with State specifications calling the shots.

Most of these idiots think that a forest is composed only of trees. They wouldn't recognize a multi-aged stand with full cohorts of groundcovers, grasses, and shrubs if they saw one.

[editor-surveyor]

Much of our national forests are choked with chemise and conifer seedlings, and little natural forest really exists these days.

Only that part that is privately owned bears any resemblence to a real forest.

[Carry_Okie]

Much of our national forests are choked with chemise and conifer seedlings, and little natural forest really exists these days.

After 10,000 years of aboriginal management, the term, "natural forest" is a myth. The reason they aren't the same is because humans aren't harvesting pine nuts, coppicing gooseberries, and killing both herbivores and competing predators. We need to learn how to run them differently, but doing that while retaining the early successional species that give restart its microbial life will take time and experimentation, not "preservation." This is to say nothing of the influence of exotics.

[Red in Blue PA]

They are promoting criminality, not incompetence.

[gr8eman]

If our forests were actually managed, as opposed to either clear cut, or not cut, there would be way less forest fires, etc. The Germans have the right idea, IMO, as they have locals manage their forests...the proper trees get cut and used as fence posts, whatever. The local people have direct stake and say in the proceedings.
The downside to that is a “forest mafia” begins to take shape, but there is a lot of peer pressure and at the end of the year the forest is in balance and targeted hunting keeps the animal populations in check.

Can anyone explain to me what beneficial effect the forest service has? Some guy from wherever who works for someone in DC?

[Brad from Tennessee]

This guy knows way too much to be fired, demoted or stuck in some lonely outpost. If he thinks his career is over he will sing like a canary. The alternatives are to kill him or give him a promotion. There's enough intrigue and bad guys in the vicinity of Phoenix that allows them the option of killing him and disguising it up if he goes squirrely.

[Carry_Okie]

Can anyone explain to me what beneficial effect the forest service has?

It enriches the heirs of Frederick Weyerhaeuser by keeping Federal timber off the market?

[afraidfortherepublic]

Unbelievable! ATF Agent who botched the gun sting in Milwlaukee has been sent to manage the office in Phoenix. Murphy’s Law.

FReep Mail me if you want on, or off, this Wisconisn interest ping list.

[hattend]

“F### up and move up”

AKA: Peter Principle.

[hattend]

Well, it was “botched” because they got caught.

[TArcher]

"Vernon Jarrett, began his journalism career at the Chicago Defender during the 1940s and later worked for the Associated Negro Press. ConEdison CEO, Thomas Ayers, served on the Board of Directors of the Erikson Institute with Valerie Jarrett’s mother. Thomas Ayers’ son is William Ayers, who co-founded the 1960’s terrorist group, The Weather Underground. Valerie Jarrett served on a Corporate Board with Bernadine Dorhn, William Ayer’s wife and fellow Weather Underground terrorist."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2340264/posts

 

 

 

Dn't need n Weatherman t see which waybama's wind

blws.

 

"Behind the Violence, Says Jane Alpert, Was Sex"

--November 09, 1981--
"The leaders of the Weather Underground, she believes, followed a similar pattern of constantly shifting sexual alliances..."

http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20080637,00.html

"He [Bill Ayers] also writes about the Weathermen's sexual experimentation as they tried to 'smash monogamy.' The Weathermen were 'an army of lovers,' he says, and describes having had different sexual partners, including his best male friend."

Source: New York Times, September 11, 2001: "No Regrets for a Love Of Explosives; In a Memoir of Sorts, a War Protester Talks of Life With the Weathermen"
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F02E1DE1438F932A2575AC0A9679C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=1

"...the Weathermen, when not engaged in group sex, committed such revolutionary acts as parading with a Viet Cong flag through a local park on Independence Day and spray-painting the walls of a high school with the slogans, "Off the Pigs," "Viet Cong Will Win," and "F#$k U.S. Imperialism."..."

Campus Wars: The Peace Movement At American State Universities in the Vietnam Era

 

"What happens next bears watching closely, as does the response of the president, ex-Speaker Pelosi, and others on the left.  Encouraged by leftists in the Democratic Party and funded by left-leaning nonprofit organizations and celebrity contributors, Occupy Wall Street may in time morph into something resembling the radical factions of the late 1960s and 1970s."

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/10/predicting_the_weatherman.html

The Osawatomie Coincidence

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2818309/posts