Posted on 06/29/2013 7:53:30 PM PDT by Timber Rattler
In the end, immigration reform really was a done deal in the Senate. Debates come down to numbers on Capitol Hill, and the Gang of Eight reform team had the numbers. Needing 60 votes to overcome a filibuster, they started with the Senate's 54 Democrats and then added the four Republican Gang members. With 58 votes in the bag, it wasn't hard to get to 60. So most of the 14 Republicans who ultimately voted to get the Gang bill past a filibuster were extras, not needed for passage but helpful to allow the reformers to claim a broad mandate.
From the beginning, many Senate Republicans were terrified of immigration reform. They knew a large part of their base opposed any measure that smelled of "amnesty." But they were also deeply shaken by last November's election results, in which Mitt Romney won just 27 percent of the Hispanic vote. Some GOP strategists, and some Senate colleagues, told them the Republican Party would be finished unless it supported reform.
What to do? First, they tried not to stick their necks out. For several months, if you asked a Republican senator a substantive question about immigration, the answer was, "Let's see what Marco comes up with."
Florida Sen. Marco Rubio has been more than the GOP point man on immigration. From January, when the Gang of Eight announced its intentions, until April, when it unveiled its bill, Rubio was the man Republicans hid behind. "We're waiting for Marco" became the Senate Republican caucus' unofficial position on immigration.
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that's the beauty of their plan. We lose the Hispanic vote regardles of how this legislation turns out. It's win-win for them and lose-lose for us. Giving millions and millions of illegal aliens the vote is a death blow to the Republicans and to the Republic however. It shouldn't be an option to anyone who truly considers themself anything other than a liberal democrat, a traitor, or a mexican/mexican sympathizer with divided loyalties.
It was a rhetorical question.
I was on to Rubio from the start of this and Ryan 2+ years ago when he was seen a hero here.,
Ryan is playing the Rubio role in the House (as Rubio cant) and Rush, Hannity and Levin will continue to praise him.
The GOP house leadership has the Rubio card to scam the gullible of 'conservatives'
"Have you got your Lifelock yet? Identity theft is on the rise"
He became an obsessive compulsive PDS'er and was banned in 2011 after making an exceptionally vulgar remark about Sarah Palin and Tammy Bruce.
What Rubio did (with the vile commercials funded by libs, the blatant talk-show lies, etc.) was hardly a garden-variety political flip-flop. It was even well beyond Bush-41’s “no new taxes” pledge. This was all-out betrayal. And that’s what Rubio’s name will forever be synonymous with... BETRAYAL. He’s a marked man.
Great thread post!
FULL INTERVIEW: Mark Levin goes rounds with Paul Ryan on immigration reform
All they have to do is look at Obama’s poll numbers this weekend and they have to know it won’t work. He got no benefit from it and neither will they, “bipartisan approach” and all. Personally, I think the message has been received judging by Christie’s appearance yesterday or Thursday.
“New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R) criticized President Obama, casting him as someone who “can’t figure out how to lead.” Speaking at a town hall meeting, Christie went after Congress’ image and the president, saying: “That’s what happens when you have someone in the executive office who is more concerned about being right than he is concerned about getting things done.” Christie has been criticized by conservative critics of cozying up to Obama too much.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/06/28/chris-christie-says-obama-cant-figure-out-how-to-lead/
Further reporting I heard on the radio was that a woman in the crowd offered praise to Christie for working with Obama and he was very cool toward hearing it, telling her “I didn’t vote for him and I don’t want him to be President.” Unless the Agribusiness lobby has dangled a really big bribe to the House Republicans, there won’t be a bill is my guess
At the end of the day, our destruction lays at the feet of the media. We should be picking them apart. They are the ones committing treason every day. They have reduced the GOP to a bunch of sniveling losers stupidly trying to gain the public’s favor by copying the Dems playbook of giving stuff to lazy good for nothing people. They allow the public to be uninformed and stupid. The left could not do what they are doing this but for the media........
I would like to think it worked to destroy his political career. But given that the people of AZ continue to reelect pro-amnesty Juan McCain I sorta doubt it.
Yes, he was.
Conservatism is on the wane in all western countries. Amazingly it has actually grown in formerly USSR components.
Rubio is dead to me.
Please refresh me on pissant and Rubio.
And all he had to do is destroy the party to pull it off.
Not really what I would call 'screws' ,
I listen to Levin a few minutes each day in car and he has always been anti-amnesty ,
but just last week Levin said that Ryan is a “a good man and very smart but he doesn't understand what is in this Senate bill”
He wants them to like him. That is the problem. You couldn't bring down the Senate bill without bringing down Rubio first and they wouldn't do it.
“Those wascally Dems keep twicking these conservatives over and over because they are too twusting. Drat. I hate those twicky Dems for fooling them”
The media’s bias should be deeply disturbing to anyone who isn’t a ranking democratic party member. The truth is, they are VERY good at their game and most Americans are not wise enough to realize that they are being psychologically manipulated and guided and not being presented with impartial unbiased facts so that they may actually draw their own informed conclusions. Mind fu**ed they are.
So, he knowingly lied to talk radio. Those talkers should have stopped him sooner in my view. Their silence help to create a politician with a teflon suit. Though, his supporters are onto Marco now. Talk radio should be solid in principles, forthright to call Rubio out, Now.
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I haven’t listened to Hannity in a long time but last I heard him he was always kissing Rubio’s rear. He acted like Rubio walked on water - he probably did the same with this bill.
I mean, there is that frame of mind or point of view about it in the House, but my point is if somebody in the House already has a bill that demands border security -- first, foremost, provable, with real triggers and so forth -- before any legalization happens, you shouldn't need any big name to sell that. That's just an observation. I'm not speaking out against Ryan here. It's just my reaction. But at the same time, Ryan is still maintaining that whatever happens here, it isn't amnesty.
It worked beautifully for democrats.
I believe it was a planned tactic right from the start.
They managed to accomplish at least three things:
1 - They got their immigration bill passed in the senate with republican help so they can claim it is a bi-partisan bill
2 - They managed to de-fang Marco Rubio, one of the republican party's latest Boy Wonders who might have been able to inspire and unite republicans and conservatives
3 - They caused a serious fracture between republicans and conservative -- just what they wanted in the run up to the 2014 elections.
I recall that after GWB was safely elected he sent out poor (nice guy) Tony Snow was sent onto Rush's show to sell the Bush-McCain-Pelosi amnesty bill and Rush gave him hell for it.
Poor Snow repeat replies ‘wait for the final bill, just wait’
Isn't Ryan FOR their citizenship as w Rubio? I seem to recall reading that here.
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