Skip to comments.In Defense of Rachel Jeantel-After days of mocking, viewers of Zimmerman trial speak out...
Posted on 06/28/2013 11:24:46 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
The George Zimmerman murder trial has captured the nation's attention since it began. When Rachel Jeantel, the last person to speak with Trayvon Martin (aside from Zimmerman), took the stand, it ignited a dialogue on race, class and the cultural shaming of our own.
Many people have been very critical of the way Jeantel speaks -- her subject-verb agreement, her Southern accent, her tendency to say "axe" instead of "ask." Speech is a cultural marker often used to highlight one's otherness. The problem with "improper speech" is not that people who speak in such tongues cannot be understood. It's that they speak in a way that makes others uncomfortable; that it forces people to acknowledge and deal with an otherness that they may otherwise prefer to step around. It is an otherness that makes whites uncomfortable and, apparently, shames blacks to the point of publicly attacking Jeantel for who she is.
In discussing Jeantel's testimony, news_anchors made sure to point out that she wasn't using "the queen's English," harped on the defense's inability to understand her and questioned whether she understood her importance to the trial. On Twitter, black folks said much of the same but also called her fat, ridiculed her complexion and made memes mocking her.
Writer Sherri Williams of the website Backbone compiled a Storify of some of the tweets and memes and further noted: "The black_respectability_police pondered if her father is in her life. They said if George Zimmerman is acquitted it would be her fault because of her sassy attitude. Black folks said girls like Jeantel are the type to keep away from their children."
The important context of what Jeantel has been forced to endure both on the stand and on the night that she last talked to Trayvon Martin has been cast aside.....
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[[When Rachel Jeantel, the last person to speak with Trayvon Martin (aside from Zimmerman), took the stand, it ignited a dialogue on race, class and the cultural shaming of our own.]]
Which, as I have surmised previously, is precisely what the prosecution WANTED to happen to further inflame the ‘us vs them’ racism- the prosecution knew they had a gold mine with her- because now the emotional pitting of ignorant people vs priviledged ‘white’ folks (meanign george zimmerman) will be fused into the midns of the jury
I think the prosecution deliberately allowed her to act liek an uneducated ass in order to stoke the fires of racism even further
I’m not critical of the way Jeantel speaks. I’m amazed that she can speak.
George Zimmerman is less white than Barry Soetero is. He’s actually an Hispanic (Peruvian) black.
did anyone mention she was’proven to be a liar and therefore an unreliable witness? nobody made her lie but her. she even spoke the way she normally speaks, nobody can claim they made her saythings a certain way, or that her attitude wasn’t her normal attitude. she was acting and speaking like her true self, and she lied, was shown to be a liar, and shown to be an unreliable witness.
Listening to stupid people makes me uncomfortable. Listening to stupid people who are fat, rude, racist, and can't read cursive also make me uncomfortable.
“otherness” in this case = illiteracy and ignorance
I don’t care how much respect liars and racists want. They don’t deserve any.
I didn’t realize that criticizing someone telling a changing story was criticizing her speech.
It isn’t what she says but how she says it. Total disrespect shown in court and not a word from the judge, thats what pisses me off.
I realize that- but the msm has turned this into a ‘white on black’ crime- and putting jenteal o nthe stand knowing her bad attitude and lack of respect for anyone will play handily in the ‘us vs them’ scenario of ‘white on black’ crime- they are playign htis up as ‘privilege vs the unfortunates’ because that is ALL they have to go on- the evidence sure as heck doesn’t work in their favor-
In the current culture, we are supposed , mock, for example, the Honey Boo Boo family (even though as bizarre as they are they actually have jobs) because we are presumed to be their superiors.
Meanwhile the mumbling, illiterate, and utterly unemployable Rachel Jeantel is sacrosanct. We just don’t “get” her because It’s A Black Thing, You Wouldn’t Understand.
The fact that she is a liar doesn’t bother them.
Your take on this is intriguing.
As you may be aware, Glenn Beck has been harping on the plan to ignite fires of insurrection in this continent to carry out the "bottom up" portion of the Fundamental Transformation.
The Zimmerman case is just too convenient for a conspiracy theorist like me to ignore.
[[Listening to stupid people makes me uncomfortable]]
If someoen is truly stupid- I don’t mind it- they can’t help it- however, when peopel CHOOSE to be stupid- that’s another issue- the cursive thing could just be bad schooling- however, I suspect she simply didn’t apply herself in school judging by the attitude she has adopted- Her weight coudl be glandular- but probably isn’t- mostl ikely she just likes to eat a lot of junk food- she is however rude, and racist- just liek trayvon was
What secret weapon do they have in their back pocket that they dared not use in Vietnam, Somalia, Bosnia, Afghanistan or Iraq? Because, to my mind, 150 million heavily armed citizens always beat a million troops, a million police and 4 million gang-bangers.
It isnt what she says but how she says it. Total disrespect shown in court and not a word from the judge, thats what pisses me off.
All of those “Yes sir’s” were very sarcastic and defiant. IMO
[[Total disrespect shown in court and not a word from the judge, thats what pisses me off.]]
Had it been a white woman actign that way- she woudl have been arrested fro contempt of court
not sure what you’re getting at? If what you are asking is how the govenrment plans on subduing the nation- I beleive Our govenrment is goign to be subduing peopel queitly and one at a time- they learned their lesson abotu mass confiscation back in 1775 or so when the peopel of boston defeated the govenrment who qwas tryign to disarm them- so today, they are simply going door to door queitly and peopel are surrenderign because they aren’t organized in a big and effective enough group- TRhey are ALREADY doign htis in places liek NY-
[[All of those Yes sirs were very sarcastic and defiant. IMO]]
Yup- but west’s answer to her when she demanded “ASre you listenign to me?” was classic he said, “I’m sorry, coudl you repeat our answer, I waqs distracted”- He should have kept on doing that until the judge itnervened- then said to her “Miss Jenteal, I’m askign hte quesitons, not you- that’s how courts work- if you insist on being rude and and trying to ru nthe show, I’ll have the judge charge you as a hostile witness- do I make myself clear?”
I don't think that was a bad thing necessarily.
It gave the jury the chance to see what Trayvon's friend was really like.
Yeah - Southern Port-au-Prince maybe.
Not southern USA, that's for sure.
Rachel is a functional idiot. I blame her parents and her segregated culture for that.
Secondly, the prosecution knew she was an idiot and a liar and someone who had no credibility at all and they had no business putting her on the stand knowing that even a first year law student could take her apart on cross examination.
BDLR is an unscrupulous pig who has not only destroyed George Zimmerman’s life, but also this poor unfortunate functional idiot.
All to appease the culture that created Rachel and other functional idiots like her.
The black culture, such as it is more destructive to the human spirit than the slave culture from whence it came. These people are their own slave masters, refusing to allow their children to be educated and insisting on passing down a tradition of poverty and ignorance.
And white limousine liberals, like the author of this screed, encourage this destruction as it creates a permanent government dependent underclass.
― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
[[We didn’t love freedom enough. And even more we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.]]
And therein lies the crux of the situation
I’ve always taught my children what I consider the difference between stupid and ignorant.Stupid is doing things wrong when you know what’s right. Ignorant is when you don’t know something. Not trying to improve one’’s self is stupid.
My father (b,1899) came off a dirt farm in Alabama. Left the farm 1924 and self taught himself to electrical and a refrigeration engineer degrees. His creedo was if anyone else can do it so can I, even if it is brain surgery. He also invented some machinery safety equipment when he saw some fellow employees lose life and limbs to badly design machines he worked around.
>> It is an otherness that makes whites uncomfortable
>> and, apparently, shames blacks to the point of publicly attacking Jeantel for who she is.
Which is to say what, Tracy, that Jeantel’s qualities are defined by “who she is”? No worries, Tracy, we’ll adore you for “who you is” too, sista!
The stupid is in the analysis. My only problem with Jeantel is any absence of honesty.
I’ve been deliberately avoiding this whole thing since it’s apparent that reason flew out the window long ago and rationality is nowhere to be found, but the introduction of Ms. Jeantel is so peculiar that I need to throw a few things out.
First off, Jeantel is a Haitian surname. Really low on the south Florida social pecking order among black people themselves. Haitians freak out American blacks, I’ve seen it many, many times, somewhere between fear and revulsion, as opposed to say the reaction to a devout, hardworking Christian university student who is African. That reaction is resentment verging upon hatred.
So, Trayvon was hanging with Ms. Jeantel, reported to have been his girlfriend if I’m not mistaken? She’s not attractive in the least. She reportedly suggested to Trayvon that Zimmerman might be a rapist. Now, why would that thought enter her mind? Implication appears to be that Trayvon was homosexual. Why would defense want to plant that suspicion among an all female jury? Weakness, sympathy.
Why would they concoct this cursive letter that she herself couldn’t read? Sympathy due to the mockery that they surely knew would come.
Back off mocking her, it’s what they want, imho. She couldn’t have been more mockable if she had been in a skit on SNL. Intentionally.
Given that (Black animosity towards Haitians) could it explain why the prosecution was ok with having no Blacks on the jury? That a jury of white woman would see their star witness as sympathetic. Especially if the defense overreached and treated her too harshly?
They were counting on it, imho.
Could be and the commentary programs are sure fanning the flames.
I have no problem with how she speaks.
I have a problem with what she says.
To her, lying is as natural as breathing.
Words have meanings.
Their etymology greatly influences common usage.
For example, the difference between stupid and ignorant. First take look at the etymology of the root word.
Ignorant ascribes a quality of ignoring. To ignore is to not know, to be unaware, to not pay attention to. It implies an act of volition to not consider information in one's thinking.
Stupid refers to being stunned in the senses, in grief, or shock, slow to think, amazed or confounded. Stupid refers the slowness of reasoning.
When you use the two words, I would tend to use them in an opposite fashion regarding 'ignorant'. A person might know something, but willfully chooses to not pay attention to it in his thinking, is whom I would describe as ignorant.
A word with similar meaning is 'dumb', but it generally is rooted with being mute or unable to speak.
In the case of Jeantel, I would describe her as having the ability to talk, or to jive, but poorly educated in how to speak, as in speaking to an assembly. Her lack of education is partly attributable to less academics, but predominantly influenced by a culture seeking to pay no attention to others, as in the promotion of arrogance.
After listening to her for a quite a while, she actually has a bit of a charm to her for standing up for herself. I'm afraid that may make her more sympathetic to the jury.
However, she's a liar. A repeated liar. And the thing that struck me the most was the she lies when it's in HER best interest (not because she thinks she's helping in the conviction of TM's killer). She didn't want to make statements to the police and attorneys, so she lied about being 16. She didn't want to go to the funeral, so she lied about being hospitalized. She lies to when it best benefits HER.
And the oddest thing is that for someone who has CONSTANTLY talked and texted with TM for WEEKS and then abruptly stops, she claims she doesn't even know he's been killed for days/weeks?
And in all her testimony, I never saw a single tear for TM. None. She's cold or just doesn't understand the value of life (which may be another flaw of her youth culture).
And that letter to TM's parents? That was written to get TM's mom off her back. It practically screamed, “Here's what you're hounding me about. Here's the most minimalist letter I can write. Now leave me alone.” It was actually a cruel letter to a grieving mother.
Bottom line: She's a liar. She's only concerned about herself. And I think what she's covering up is that she egged TM on . . . to go back and confront GZ. She's not telling the whole truth . . . not by a long shot.
The most self-centered, emotionless, self-serving witness I've ever seen. I honestly don't think she cares anything about the death of TM . . . only that she won't be inconvenienced or that her complicity in his death won't be revealed.
Embarrassing situations often make people uncomfortable, not one's otherness. (whatever that means) Otherness must mean stupid and arrogant based on her demeanor.
She is an embarrassment to Americans.
I think that really is what happened. We might see this come out later.
The problem is fed ed and a family unit behind her
Total Information Awareness, or whatever we’re calling the government’s gathering of much more information on every citizen than the KGB and STASI ever dreamed about having on theirs.
Spending $12000/year onlt to produce this miseducated rude & ignorant Fat Cow should wake up all the idiot DWLs, “Disingenuous White Leftist/Liars/LibDims”.
I think most Americans have simply not looked at the effect of schooling in metropolitan or urban areas. Probably half the population coming out of these schools...are this way. I would not call is ignorance....it’s just that teachers can only carry the class a certain distance....you graduate with a 4th grade reading ability, and probably a sixth-grade speaking ability. If you can add and subtract...that’s it.
For jobs, the best you can hope for is a clerk at a grocery, or a beauty-shop job.
She’s just one of probably five million Americans that is fairly limited by age 18. I don’t think it’s her fault....we made the system like it is...and allowing substandard teachers to walk in and stay for thirty years.
She’s a perfect example of what Liberalism has brought. She’s beyond reproach, like Trayvon. The dumbed down beligerent black underclass is a wholly owned product of Liberalism. They own it 100%. And they, the Liberals, have made it impossible to improve the education of young blacks because to disagree with their unions or with Liberalism is racism. To think that she’s not just as smart, educated, and intelligent as the next person is racism, in the Liberal view. And if Trayvon attacked Zimmerman for being a creepy Cracker and was beating him to death, that’s okay. Trayvon was a black man who would have resembled the President’s son, had he had one. Therefore, we know all that we need to know about the case, in the view of Liberalism. Zimmerman, a heretofore unknown tribesman of the white Hispanic grouping, is to be lynched to save the chauvinism of Liberalism and its preposterous lies.
An interesting concept, but one I believe gives a little too much credit for the prosecution.
If there were such deviousness on the part of the powers- that-be/control the prosecution, they would lay out a pitiful prosecution of Zimmerman and let him be acquitted. This almost certainly would fuel the fires of racism to the point of outright urban rioting. Now, THAT, is fueling the fires.
My take is the DA has to prosecute the case because the victim is black, period. DOJ expects it. Holder expects it. His black constituents expect it.
Spending $12000/year onlt to produce this miseducated rude & ignorant
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And that is only the ‘tip of the iceberg’ when you consider all the other ‘monies’ thrown at ‘the poverty problem’.
I guess she didn’t say they ‘conversated’ or she used to ‘borrow him things’...that is Ebonics???
May also be the ‘master plan’, unionize and lock in your so called ‘teachers’, have as many administrators as ‘teachers’, have a society that doesn’t want to learn and keep pumping money into it, don’t worry about ABC’s and math and spelling, worry that a child (supposedly) eats a pop tart into the shape of a gun??, worry about children pointing fingers at each other, indoctrinate them in ways a parent never would...
Lesson learned, as long as a kid in 7th grade knows how to put a rubber on a cucumber or banana, can hug and kiss members of his own sex with ease don’t worry that he/she can’t spell CAT if you give them the K and A....
Our ‘society’ has fallen into an everything must rhyme in order to be understood, get arrested for wearing an NRA shirt but okay to put a flag above the American Flag, treat the American Flag like a ‘rag’ and call it just a piece of cloth, honor the ‘Rainbow Flag’, desecrate the ‘Stars and Bars’ and as the talk host Brian Wilson is want to say
`We continue to slide down the razorblade of life`. (sorry Brian, not quite a quote BUT the gist is there).
The girl in question showed herself to be an illiterate liar with the street smarts (or any other smarts) of a toad.
She is too thick to understand the interconnections of here concocted story and doesn’t seem to grasp when she has been caught in her lie.
I’ve seen this many times before. A person of low intelligence and low character gets caught in a lie. Their reaction is to ignore reality and retreat to, “Well that’s my story and I’m sticking to it.”
Every person who jumps to this witnesses defense, does so because they are a racist, anti-freedom, or both.
Zimmerman looks completely Hispanic to me (not that there’s anything wrong with that!) How anyone could describe him as white-skinned is beyond me.