Posted on 06/28/2013 2:34:32 PM PDT by Bigtigermike
Just to preface her post, a good point by DrewM:
DrewM @DrewMTips
How many ppl saying "cut Marco slack. Don't write him off in 16" would FREAK out if he became pro-choice & helped Dems loosen abortion laws? 2:41 PM - 28 Jun 2013
We all have our “red line” issues, as Drew says. Offhand, I can’t think of a single person I know privately or on Twitter who supports (or is indifferent to) the Gang of Eight bill and who also traditionally has treated border security as a “red line.” Everyone wants better border security and everybody thinks it’s important for immigrants to follow the rule of law, but when push comes to shove, some people are okay with bending on this in the name of other political goals and others are not. If you believe the polls about background checks and gun control, we might very well win a few extra votes by caving on that too. Want to do that? We might also win some votes by declaring our support for abortion in the first trimester. Okay to do that? We all have our “red lines.”
Here’s Palin drawing a “red line” of her own for people angry about the big amnesty pander. Whole post is at the link, but this is the key bit:
Great job, GOP establishment. You’ve just abandoned the Reagan Democrats with this amnesty bill, and we needed them to “enlarge that tent” of which you so often speak. It’s depressing to consider that the House of Representatives is threatening to pass some version of this nonsensical bill in the coming weeks.
Once again, I’ll point out the obvious to you: it was the loss of working class voters in swing states that cost us the 2012 election, not the Hispanic vote. Legal immigrants respect the rule of law and can see how self-centered a politician must be to fill this amnesty bill with favors, earmarks, and crony capitalists’ pork, and call it good. You disrespect Hispanics with your assumption that they desire ignoring the rule of law.
Folks like me are barely hanging on to our enlistment papers in any political party – and it’s precisely because flip-flopping political actions like amnesty force us to ask how much more bull from both the elephants in the Republican Party and the jackasses in the Democrat Party we have to swallow before these political machines totally abandon the average commonsense hardworking American. Now we turn to watch the House. If they bless this new “bi-partisan” hyper-partisan devastating plan for amnesty, we’ll know that both private political parties have finally turned their backs on us. It will then be time to show our parties’ hierarchies what we think of being members of either one of these out-of-touch, arrogant, and dysfunctional political machines.
I don’t know how disrespected Hispanics feel by the immigration reform push; according to Pew, 90 percent think illegals should have a way to stay legally in the U.S. and 59 percent think they should be allowed to apply for legal status even before border improvements have been made. Her broader point, though, about the party’s crushing failure to engage effectively with the working- and middle-class is spot on. That’s what I was getting at in the McCain post: This amnesty charade is simply the GOP’s way of dressing a gaping economic wound that cuts across racial demographics by putting an identity-politics band-aid on it, as if legalizing more cheap labor to make things even harder on working-class Americans doesn’t make the problem worse. The real reason to despair and start thinking third-party isn’t the amnesty bill itself, it’s the fact that this is what the party feels compelled to resort to now in lieu of building a better economic agenda. If they can’t figure out how to talk to people who aren’t entrepreneurs about pocketbook issues, then why keep donating to them and organizing for them? They’ve flunked politics 101. We’re pumping a dry well here.
Sounds like a good time to start a Civil War then.
and for the NSA, CIA, IRS folks listening in F—k You.
she has no chance and even if she had it, she too will see the evil dirty secrets that the previous administrations had learned and will have no choice but continue with the same...
USA is bankrupt, propped up on nothing but the work of illegals who have funds confiscated via SS illegal numbers...and paying taxes on every bill they receive...from cable, cell phone, cigarettes, beer, electricity, gasoline...etc etc
USA is toast...get out while you can
No. I suspect there is no turning back short of massive armed insurrection and the likelihood if that occurs is a tyranny populated by a different group of tyrants.
WOW! The left the world over is self-loathing and hateful of all things Western.
The left is truly evil.
The problem is that any new party will have to fend off elite/globalist/venture capital types who only care about less taxes for rich people. Keep in mind, the Tea Party was started by people who wanted to secure the border; now supposed "tea party" legislators vote for the invasion, because what they really care about is cheap labor and top-heavy corporate profits.
A new party can't just be conservative. It has to be about returning to constitutional government, less federal government, more functions being eliminated and/or made more local. It has to make a big deal about ending recreational wars, an end to droning, an end to spying on US citizens. I think Rand Paul is the one who can bring it together, and bring some dems and pubs with him....and tell others that they're just too tarnished to be part of it.
Correct. It will make the Tea Party of 2010 look tame.
There is an incredible amount of righteous anger building — it is aimed at the GOPe and the evil left.
A new Second party can channel that anger into a new awakening of Liberty.
Exactly! There is a lot of pent up anger out there. Most of us aren’t going to sit idly by and watch the evil bastards ruin our beloved country.
It’s in the air!
And for Jeb Bush to give Hitlery Clinton an award is beyond disgusting. Bastards, all. They can all go to hell.
100% agree.
I always say we have to vote for the republican.
Told the wife for the first time over this illegals thing, they have given up on America, I’m done with them.
I agree
Michelle Bachman explained it. ANY House bill no matter if it promises all the border security in the world will be a trojan horse.NO bill at all must come out of the House because it will be merged with the Senate Amnesty and trojan horse bill. Call congress.
Tell them to stop all Amnesty or immigration bills.they are all trojan horse bills. some will promise border security that will never be enforced anyway.
Bachmann explained it . The House will write a border security bill only . then in conference the senate will add the virus and then bring it back to the house. then the conservatives won’t vote for it but democrats will all vote for it so then they only need 10% of republicans to pass Amnesty and the virus that will destroy America. so any bill at all will be added the virus . so best thing is for Boner to not let any immigration bill at all come out of the House. that is the only hope . call boner and the members of the House.
bump!
When the House Republicans sell out on immergration, the Republican Party will be destroyed, hence it will be too late to leave the Republican Party.
I have come to the conclusion that the GOPelite don’t really care whether they win leadership elections.
As the minority, they don’t have to work as hard, what with writing big legislative bills and all.
They can still whine and moan at the microphones and give the appearance of being the opposition party.
They still get a turn at the money trough.
And, at the end of the day, they can still have drinks with their ‘friends from across the aisle’.
Why rock the boat?
I hear you. The proverbial “line in the sand” is being drawn by the GOP. Too bad they’re drawing it AGAINST their own base. Flaming idiots!!!!
I agree that no bill should come out of the House this Congress. We can't trust the Rep leadership.
That’s the problem. When I was pushing Rubio here in Florida I honestly thought I was voting for a conservative. Boy, do I feel like I have been raped and left for dead.
This looks like it is “checkmate”. The progressives have taken over this country.
So if any group that should be legalized, it should be those under 25 who have lived in this country for, say, 15 years?
Constitution Party!!
MIGHT BE TIME????????????? I left these weak kneed sisters a few years ago. I refuse to give them a dime or a minute of my time in support. They are fools. Weak kneed fools.
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