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Court Rules Starbucks Baristas Must Share Tips With Shift Supervisors
CBS Seattle ^ | June 26, 2013 10:12 AM

Posted on 06/27/2013 10:15:31 AM PDT by Perdogg

Starbucks baristas must share their tips with shift supervisors, but assistant managers are left out in the cold, New York’s highest court ruled Wednesday.

The Court of Appeals found that shift supervisors do much of the same work as the coffee servers and therefore get to share in the tips. The court also ruled the company can deny those tips to assistant managers.

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1 posted on 06/27/2013 10:15:31 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: Perdogg

If shift supervisors are doing “much of the same work” as the bartenders, and are therefore worthy of some tippage, what are assistant managers doing?


2 posted on 06/27/2013 10:28:05 AM PDT by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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To: Perdogg

Just to bring up a popular topic, what “standing” does the court have to dictate this?


3 posted on 06/27/2013 10:29:51 AM PDT by the_Watchman
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To: Perdogg

When I did restaurant work, a significant amount of tips went straight into the servers pocket, to avoid skimming issues like this....


4 posted on 06/27/2013 10:32:06 AM PDT by apillar
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To: Perdogg

Well, thank heavens this has been decided. I’ve been without sleep for months awaiting the brilliance from the NY Supreme Court. Isn’t it great that we don’t have any important issues to decide upon. This is what I like to call a ‘first world’ court decision.


5 posted on 06/27/2013 10:33:40 AM PDT by RobertClark (My shrink just killed himself - he blamed me in his note!)
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To: Perdogg

Ah, the NYState Court of Appeals doing the work that Americans can not or will not do.


6 posted on 06/27/2013 10:34:48 AM PDT by BilLies (The Progressive Liberal American Press will be the death of freedom in this country.)
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To: the_Watchman
Just to bring up a popular topic, what “standing” does the court have to dictate this?

Didn't you know: The government and the courts get to determine everything in regards to employment. It is no longer acceptable to have an employer state "hey, this is my policy, if you don't like it, don't work for me - go to the next door!" No way, we can't have that! The government and courts will tell us how to run our businesses, how much profit we are allowed to make, and how we need to handle HR issues.

7 posted on 06/27/2013 10:36:28 AM PDT by RobertClark (My shrink just killed himself - he blamed me in his note!)
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To: RobertClark

Ahh, shift supervisors will get a raise.

See what college gets you?


8 posted on 06/27/2013 10:41:31 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (The reason we own guns is to protect ourselves from those wanting to take our guns from us.)
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To: Perdogg

Seems perfectly in line with liberal logic. If you apply the same reasoning that was applied in the Kelo case, the government is justified in taking money from one person and giving it to another who’s in a higher tax bracket so that they can collect more of it in taxes.


9 posted on 06/27/2013 10:42:27 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Perdogg

A State Supreme Court has to intervene and dictate how to divvy up the tips at Starbucks?

We’re DOOOOOOMED!!!!!


10 posted on 06/27/2013 10:45:58 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Perdogg

Nice to see that the courts are now making decisions on how private business should be run, all the way down to who gets the tips. Its hard to see where the madness will end.


11 posted on 06/27/2013 10:47:15 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: Perdogg

I’m still trying to figure out why folks think anyone should tip for counter service. I never heard of this before Starbucks.

I don’t tip the guy at 7-11, nor do I tip the guy at the movie theatre.

I don’t tip the pharmacist either but if I was getting one of those little blue pills I might salute.


12 posted on 06/27/2013 10:47:31 AM PDT by fruser1
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To: Perdogg

They discovered that the method it’s been done for at least 60 years that I have been involved in this industry, is correct..DUH!

The Starbucks people tried to steal tips from the low paid workers that are backbone of their huge profit model, to supplement underpaid management salaries, and they were caught.. Shameful.. /:


13 posted on 06/27/2013 10:47:48 AM PDT by carlo3b (Speechless in Sugar Land)
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To: BilLies

This is the governments way of explaining to the worker how government works. You pay those who make the rules, schedules, judge your performance, attendance, and give or deny you a raise by paying them off in your hard earned cash.


14 posted on 06/27/2013 11:15:44 AM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude

“Nice to see that the courts are now making decisions on how private business should be run, all the way down to who gets the tips. Its hard to see where the madness will end.”

No, that’s not what the court did. It’s a badly-written article offering little clarity, but the court was just deciding how existing NY state law applies to the facts of this case. When the parties can’t agree on how a law applies, courts are SUPPOSED to sort it out. If you don’t think the law should concern itself with coffee shop tips, I guess you have a beef with the NY legislature that made the law.

(I think a tip jar should be a matter for private employment contracts, not for legislatures. But I’m also a neanderthal who also believes minimum wage laws are stupid, so my opinion doesn’t count.)


15 posted on 06/27/2013 11:16:46 AM PDT by Jordo
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To: Perdogg; a fool in paradise

Tipping in self-service joints? What a concept!


16 posted on 06/27/2013 11:17:58 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Perdogg

I would quit on the spot!


17 posted on 06/27/2013 11:23:57 AM PDT by FrankR (They will become our ultimate masters the day we surrender the 2nd Amendment.)
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To: Jordo

“If you don’t think the law should concern itself with coffee shop tips, I guess you have a beef with the NY legislature that made the law.”

I’ve had a beef with the NYS legislature for the last 30 years. I can’t wait to retire so I can escape the left bank of the Hudson river.


18 posted on 06/27/2013 11:25:50 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: RobertClark

Easiest solution is to not leave tips at Starbucks or cease going altogether. That’ll learn ‘em!


19 posted on 06/27/2013 11:35:31 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: fruser1
I don’t tip the pharmacist either but if I was getting one of those little blue pills I might salute.

Wouldn't the salute happen in absentia, after you've taken it? :=)

Be sure to swallow quickly -- You don't want to get a stiff neck.

20 posted on 06/27/2013 11:39:21 AM PDT by Bob
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To: Perdogg

How did this end up in court???


21 posted on 06/27/2013 11:50:59 AM PDT by FrdmLvr (culture, language, borders)
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To: Revolting cat!

Of course there is Jackie Mason’s riff on Starbucks. A bit dated now since it seems to be from 2007 but still. It’s on youtube as well. :)

This is Jackie Mason’s bit on Starbucks—the coffee chain. It is funny if you read it with Jackie’s voice.

Starbucks is the best example of a phony status symbol that means nothing, but people will still pay 10x as much for because there are French words all over the place. You want coffee in a coffee shop, that’s 60 cents. But at Starbucks, Café Latte: $3.50. Cafe Cremier: $4.50. Cafe Suisse: $9.50. For each French word, another four dollars. Why does a little cream in coffee make it worth $3.50? Go into any coffee shop; they’ll give you all the cream you want until you’re blue in the face. Forty million people are walking around in coffee shops with jars of cream: “Here’s all the cream you want!” And it’s still 60 cents. You know why? Because it’s called “coffee.” If it’s Cafe Latte - $4.50. You want cinnamon in your coffee? Ask for cinnamon in a coffee shop; they’ll give you all the cinnamon you want. Do they ask you for more money because it’s cinnamon? It’s the same price for cinnamon in your coffee as for coffee without cinnamon - 60 cents, that’s it. But not in Starbucks. Over there, it’s Cinnamonnier - $9.50. You want a refill in a regular coffee shop, they’ll give you all the refills you want until you drop dead. You can come in when you’re 27 and keep drinking coffee until you’re 98. And they’ll start begging you: “Here, you want more coffee, you want more, you want more?” Do you know that you can’t get a refill at Starbucks? A refill is a dollar fifty. Two refills, $4.50. Three refills, $19.50. So, for four cups of coffee - $350. And it’s burnt coffee. It’s burnt coffee at Starbucks, let’s be honest about it. If you get burnt coffee in a coffee shop, you call a cop. You say, “It’s the bottom of the pot. I don’t drink from the bottom of the pot. But when it’s burnt at Starbucks, they say, “Oh, it’s a blend. It’s a blend. It’s a special bean from Argentina.....” The bean is in your head. And there’re no chairs in those Starbucks. Instead, they have these high stools You ever see these stools? You haven’t been on a chair that high since you were two. Seventy-three year old Jews are climbing and climbing to get to the top of the chair. And when they get to the top, they can’t even drink the coffee because there’s 12 people around one little table, and everybody’s saying, “Excuse me, excuse me, excuse me, excuse me.....” Then they can’t get off the chair. Old Jews are begging Gentiles, “Mister, could you get me off this?” Do you remember what a cafeteria was? In poor neighborhoods all over this country, they went to a cafeteria because there were no waiters and no service. And so poor people could save money on a tip. Cafeterias didn’t have regular tables or chairs either. They gave coffee to you in a cardboard cup. So because of that you paid less for the coffee. You got less, so you paid less. It’s all the same as Starbucks - no chairs, no service, a cardboard cup for you r coffee - except in Starbucks, the less you get, the more it costs. By the time they give you nothing, it’s worth four times as much. Am I exaggerating? Did you ever try to buy a cookie in Starbucks? But a cookie in a regular coffee shop. You can tear down a building with that cookie. And the whole cookie is 60 cents. At Starbucks, you’re going to have to hire a detective to find that cookie, and it’s $9.50. And you can’t put butter on it because they want extra. Do you know that if you buy a bagel, you pay extra for cream cheese in Starbucks? Cream cheese, another 60 cents. A knife to put it on, 32 cents. If it reaches the bagel, 48 cents. That bagel costs you $312. And they don’t give you the butter or the cream cheese. They don’t give it to you. They tell you where it is. “Oh, you want butter? It’s over there. Cream cheese? Over here. Sugar? Sugar is here.” Now you become your own waiter. You walk around with a tray. “I’ll take the cookie. Where’s the butter? The butter’s here. Where’s the cream cheese? The cream cheese is there.” You walked around for an hour and a half selecting items, and then the guy at the cash register has a glass in front of him that says “Tips.” You’re waiting on tables for an hour, and you owe him money. Then there’s a sign that says please clean it up when you’re finished. They don’t give you a waiter or a busboy. Now you’ve become the janitor. Now you have to start cleaning up the place. Old Jews are walking around cleaning up Starbucks. “Oh, he’s got dirt too? Wait, I’ll clean this up.” They clean up the place for an hour and a half. If I said to you, “I have a great idea for a business. I’ll open a whole new type of a coffee shop. A whole new type. Instead of 60 cents for coffee I’ll charge 2.50, $3.50, $4.50, and $5.50. Not only that, I’ll have no tables, no chairs, no water, no busboy, and you’ll clean it up for 20 minutes after you’re finished,” Would you say to me, “that’s the greatest idea for a business I ever heard! We can open a chain of these all over the world!” No, you would put me right into a sanitarium. Starbucks can only get away with it because they have French titles for everything, Nazi bastard son-of-a-bitches. And I say this with the highest respect, because I don’t like to talk about people.


22 posted on 06/27/2013 11:53:41 AM PDT by xp38
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