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To: mylife
They can legislate civil unions all day long, but marriage is a sacrament of the Church.

That's what people don't seem to understand — I've been accused of supporting the homosexual agenda because I assert that marriage is not properly within the authority of the State (certainly not the FedGov). Indeed, putting that authority into the State's hands is the best way for it to play into the homosexual agenda, because once you establish that it's a legal )State) issue, they'll throw out all religious-argument and use their authority to define it [marriage] as they see fit.

7 posted on 06/25/2013 10:07:35 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

I have been screaming it for ages.
It is about infiltrating the Church via the Gov.

Just exchange a few words to confuse the rubes.


10 posted on 06/25/2013 10:11:58 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: OneWingedShark
That's what people don't seem to understand — I've been accused of “supporting the homosexual agenda” because I assert that marriage is not properly within the authority of the State (certainly not the FedGov). Indeed, putting that authority into the State's hands is the best way for it to play into the “homosexual agenda”, because once you establish that it's a legal )State) issue, they'll throw out all religious-argument and use their authority to define it [marriage] as they see fit

Ah, our founding fathers expected and stated that 'we the people' are government, not a bunch of overpaid lawyers dressing up in black robes, claiming supremacy. This bunch is messing in God's territory if they think they can decide perverts have rights to 'marry'.

15 posted on 06/25/2013 10:24:12 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: OneWingedShark

That works fine under Sharia law, but it is still an authority making a legal definition of marriage.

If individuals and Mosques, and Mormons, and gay goat churches all decide for themselves what legal marriage is, then the marriage war is lost, besides, government or a common authority always has to have laws dealing with marriage, it always has.


44 posted on 06/25/2013 11:08:29 PM PDT by ansel12 (Libertarians, Gays = in all marriage, child custody, adoption, immigration or military service laws.)
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To: OneWingedShark
marriage is a sacrament of the Church

Right, but marriage outside of A Church isn't ANY Church's business.

48 posted on 06/25/2013 11:33:02 PM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: OneWingedShark

and there are others who are not religious , there are others who marry and have different religions like my wife and get a justice of the peace there are many , many examples of this and yet you can say you’ve been accused of supporting the homosexuals agenda but you only seem to look at marriage through your eyes.

Even the founding fathers used judges to marry, were they wrong too and maybe you are accused of supporting the homo agenda is because what you say is helping to support the homo agenda just like those said let them have civil unions etc


52 posted on 06/26/2013 1:40:57 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: OneWingedShark
Although I agree with you, I still think it's up to the people of each state to decide for themselves what to do with these issues, right or wrong (as far as others of us are concerned).

One sad reason the lunk-headed federal government gets involved in these things is people on the Right who don't like what others are doing try to use the federal government to force what they think on others. And as we all know that sword cuts both ways and eventually cuts all of us out of our God-given liberties.

Individual and states' rights and freedoms are the cornerstone of the freest constitutional republic the world has ever seen. Hard to keep it (as Benjamin Franklin once implied) because freedom doesn't always go our way, but in the long run, a free society is the healthiest and happiest on earth. (Besides, we can always move to another state (like we are right now) that lines up closer to our values.)

58 posted on 06/26/2013 3:58:52 AM PDT by PapaNew
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To: OneWingedShark
I got married by the church. The state recognized my marriage. Will the state force my church under the law to marry homos??

The state recognizes marriage to protect children. It's not about adults at all. Things like SS confused the issue.

69 posted on 06/26/2013 4:36:45 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: OneWingedShark

Thats like saying the feds should not tax income. One can argue these things all they want but it is pissing in the wind. Marriage status affects taxes and thus it IS a fed and state issue whether we like it or not.


316 posted on 06/26/2013 8:23:49 AM PDT by plain talk
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