Skip to comments.Could a Christian Baker Who Refused to Make Wedding Cake for a Gay Couple Really Go to Jail?
Posted on 06/23/2013 1:16:21 PM PDT by redreno
Should bakers and other vendors be allowed to refuse service to gays and lesbians, specifically when it comes to marital ceremonies? No, argues one gay couple who have filed a discrimination complaint against a Colorado baker who refused to provide them with a wedding cake.
Masterpiece Cakeshop, owned by Jack Phillips and based near Denver, Colorado, is at the center of the dispute after David Mullins and Charlie Craig attempted to order the baked good from the business last summer.
Phillips, declining to provide service after learning of the couples sexuality, cited his Christian beliefs. But Mullins and Craig arent accepting Biblical arguments as a viable basis for the refusal.
(Excerpt) Read more at theblaze.com ...
Freedom of Speech — this means: you have to do what the homosexuals tell you to do. Hey, it’s in the Constitution! Check the penumbra.
That would send the fudge packers for a loop.
Someone make me an Adolf and Eva cake with a swastica centerpeice and decorated with full SS regalia. Around the edges write “arbeit macht frei” and “judenfrei Europa”.
Whatever happened to “We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone”?
I would have agreed to bake the cake, but charged them double for having to open up two sets of the little bride and groom toppers. Take it or leave it.
Refusal to bake cakes for queers can get you a year in jail. That's slavery, plain and simple.
Nah, just gets them in the mood and all cleaned out. *yuck*
This is how the Lavender Mafia operates. Pity, no one ever gives to them a taste of their own medicine.
I always blame the lunch counter sit-ins of the 1950s. Once upon a time, property rights mattered. The proprietor could say, "This is my property. I don't want you here. You have to leave now."
Might be a stupid business policy that could really cut into profits, but being a business owner comes with some perks, right?
Well, that all went out the window with MLK. People became heroes for going against the wishes of the owner. Customers had rights. Individuals had rights. Property owners? Not so much.
As I see it, this is quite similar to slavery. Do as I tell you to do because I am your Master, is the subtext here.
A free man or woman can choose who they associate with or do business with. A slave can’t, they MUST do as their master tells them to do.
And this is not about the money the couple is willing to spend. This is about FORCING someone who disagrees with them to do as they tell him to, whether he/she wants to do so. And if that is not a type of Slavery then What is it?
Anyone remember these signs from the 1950s and 60s?
WE RESERVE THE RIGHT TO REFUSE SERVICE TO ANYONE!
I was wondering about that whole "involuntary servitude" thing myself. And I guess "freedom of association" is also out the window.
No. Their wishes and conscience should be respected. Consitutionally, the Feds should leave marriage to the States and/or the people themselves but also, the Constitution defend freedom of thought, expression and so forth so if it offends these bakers to do this, they should have their wishes respected and not be stigmatized or punished. Let the free market work, I’m sure there are other bakers who will make such cakes. Putting people in jail because they act on their convictions, one way or another is wrong.
Here’s the problem — Our idiotic legislators and judges want to equate race with sexual orientation.
So, because discrimination based on race is illegal, discrimination based on sexual orientation is illegal too.
But I’ve still seen those signs on walls recently.
The bakers and photographers in these cases are targeted by the homosexual activists.
Barry Goldwater was right.
This was exactly his problem with the final version of the civil rights act.
Well, I’ve seen copies of the Constitution recently, but that doesn’t mean the courts have to take it seriously ...
Yeah, didn’t that Nazi guy lose his kid over a bakery refusing to make little Hitler a cake?
Are animals are equal, some are more equal than others.
“If I were the bakery, I would bake them cake and cut the chocolate with old-fashioned Ex-Lax.”
You do realize that poisoning people is illegal in the USA, right?
You can’t poison them, but if I had to make them a cake I’d substitute everything in it for artificial ingredients. It would probably taste like crap, but it would be appropriate to the occasion.
If amnesty passes, and liberals have an unbreakable lock on government and courts, conservatives and christians are imprisoned for all sorts of things.
Why else do you think Homeland Security needs a billion bullets?
If parents were making sure that their children were taught the Constitution and its history, then it’s questionionable how young a child could be who could point out the following concerning constitutional precedence. Given that the states have amended the Constituton to expressly protect religious expression, the Constitution silent about marriage and so-called gay rights, the freedom of religious expression, applied to the states by the 14th Amendment, basically trumps any 10th Amendment-protected state laws which protect marriage and gay rights.
well, if he does go to jail, it should be a pretty easy matter to bake him a cake with a file in it.
Wonder what the penalty is for muslim restaurants that refuse to sell me pork?
the right? The Right?
I”m sitting here wondering how a lawsuit, after going into a Muslim meat market and being refused a Ham and slab of Bacon, would go over with these “civil rights” idiots?
My demands should trump any religious beliefs on their part...right?
That's where we're headed.
Close. What destroyed the sanctity of free association was the Brown vs. Board decision in 1954. When it declared -- in violation of logic and law -- that "separate is inherently unequal," it offered business operators and anyone in a "public accommodation" no protection from being forced to serve anyone who could crawl in the door.
There has been no definitive ruling on whether precedent requires a business owner to violate his own religious beliefs, but considering the tenor of rulings on religious freedom over the last half a century, it is dubious that they will triumph the manufactured "right" of queers and perverts to demand inclusion under Brown.
Many more of us are going to have to risk jail if we're to resist this scourge.
I would have made it for them ... of course they may or may not have liked the Bob bopping Francis figurines on the top of the cake, but what the heck, it is real life now.
Fortnight for Freedom
Good point, but the Nazis called it judenrein, not judenfrei.
It boiled down to the commerce clause. People argued, correctly I believe, that they could not travel in certain parts of the country because they could not find places to stay and to eat. In this case, it is a specialty service. I don’t think it could be argued that it limits interstate commerce.
You miss an essential point about business: if you offer a high end product, it hurts your reputation when what you supply is shoddy.
If Colorado laws forbids refusal of a business service based on 'sexual preference' of the potential customer, as in the Masterpiece Bakeshop case, the bakery owners can be charged and fined. However, as The Blaze article points out, Americans have a constitutional right to the practice of their religion. The bakery refusing to bake a 'wedding' cake for a same-sex couple may be technically discriminatory but the real point here is to force acceptance of homosexuality down the throats of those who reject it and make the supposed 'right' of homosexual men or women trump that of those who disagree with their choices on religious grounds.
This was likely a well planned set-up as in a city like Denver, there must be plenty of bakeries that would make a wedding cake for anyone who had the cash. The cake isn't the point. Making homosexual behavior 'mainstream', by force, is. This should be interesting when gays try to force a Muslim business to service them in a way clearly connected to their homosexuality. Oh, wait, they won't. Muslims will burn your house down if you dare offend 'allah'. Christians politely refuse and face the legal consequences. Meanwhile, Americans keep having their individual rights abridged, by law. In the distant future, historians will have a field day examining the decline and eventually demise of America. This case may be an example.
I would have quoted the gays a very high price with payment in advance. If they still wanted it I would bake it for the twerps because the little greed heads are cruising for a lawsuit anyway
Brothers and sisters, the time is coming when we may actually have to suffer for the faith. Christians have had it very easy in this country until now. We may have to put some skin in the game. “A religion now worth dying for, is not a religion worth living for.” We may have to endure government persecution with acts of civil disobedience as the martyrs did in early Christianity. Most of all refrain from violence. We are not Muslims.
We have to be careful about saying someone doesn’t have the right to refuse business.
I’m a freelance writer, among other things. I’ve been asked to write copy for adult products and synthetic marijuana. I’ve refused. Was offered a higher pay rate. I refused, citing my religious beliefs. They found someone else to write it. Given rulings like this, do I lose the right to refuse work?
Well, Paula Dern just ‘lost’ her job with one of the reasons being she was planning or had planned a wedding on a plantation ala 1800’s and she had planned on being periodical.
The much ballyhooed “Slave Museum” in Fredricksburg VA was told it couldn’t have ‘slave quarters’ or depict ‘slave auctions’. They had so many ‘restrictions’ thrown on them that it finally went bankrupt. AND Blacks were running it. (Former Gov Wilder).
Imagine if I went into a Black bakery(?) and ordered a cake with a ‘Tom Sawyer’ theme, don’t even think ‘Tar Baby’ or any ‘Uncle Remus’ themes....
They have got it so that if, in the work place, you compliment a woman on her hairdo, dress or demeanor you may be charged with Sexual Harassment - you know, because he said it ‘that’ way.
If you say nothing other than the good morning or goodbye in the evening, they can charge you with running an unfriendly, hostile work place.
The WHINERS have won and Bizzarro World is firmly entrenched.
The correct approach is to simply do a bad job of it. Good example of 'bad job' is to bake it 2 days ahead of schedule and apply 2 layers of icing (or maybe a week ahead ~ there are experts in this who know what it takes).
That harms no one ~ but the cake will achieve a consistency similar to cardboard near the surface. Demand a significant advance deposit, in cash.
Nemoque, regarding your last point you are probably right but I guess I hate the idea. Why as a Christian can I not fight? Why do I have to just get arrested?
I do agree that is probably what Christ would say, no violence, but it just doesn’t sit well with me. Nor does it make me feel better for my family.
Again, not arguing your point.
Demand a significant advance deposit, in cash.
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Maybe, but do that and you had better do it to all.
No different than not selling a house because the prospective buyers are ____________________ Fill in the blanks.
(other than White, Christian, Straights— they are fair game and you can take out ALL your frustrations on them).