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Could a Christian Baker Who Refused to Make Wedding Cake for a Gay Couple Really Go to Jail?
http://www.theblaze.com ^ | Jun. 7, 2013 7:54am | Billy Hallowell

Posted on 06/23/2013 1:16:21 PM PDT by redreno

Should bakers and other vendors be allowed to refuse service to gays and lesbians, specifically when it comes to marital ceremonies? “No,” argues one gay couple who have filed a discrimination complaint against a Colorado baker who refused to provide them with a wedding cake.

Masterpiece Cakeshop, owned by Jack Phillips and based near Denver, Colorado, is at the center of the dispute after David Mullins and Charlie Craig attempted to order the baked good from the business last summer.

Phillips, declining to provide service after learning of the couple’s sexuality, cited his Christian beliefs. But Mullins and Craig aren’t accepting Biblical arguments as a viable basis for the refusal.

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1 posted on 06/23/2013 1:16:21 PM PDT by redreno
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To: redreno

Freedom of Speech — this means: you have to do what the homosexuals tell you to do. Hey, it’s in the Constitution! Check the penumbra.


2 posted on 06/23/2013 1:17:59 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: redreno
If I were the bakery, I would bake them cake and cut the chocolate with old-fashioned Ex-Lax.

That would send the fudge packers for a loop.

3 posted on 06/23/2013 1:23:56 PM PDT by metafugitive
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To: redreno

Someone make me an Adolf and Eva cake with a swastica centerpeice and decorated with full SS regalia. Around the edges write “arbeit macht frei” and “judenfrei Europa”.


4 posted on 06/23/2013 1:29:04 PM PDT by glorgau
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To: redreno

Whatever happened to “We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone”?


5 posted on 06/23/2013 1:32:26 PM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: redreno
From now on,bakers are on notice...if a pervert “couple” comes to you for a “wedding” cake don't refuse to make it....just make it so badly that everyone attending will wish they had never seen it.”Accidentally” mistake the jar of salt for sugar and give them a cake they'll never forget.And when they complain,cheerfully refund the price of the cake.
6 posted on 06/23/2013 1:32:28 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The Civil Servants Are No Longer Servants...Or Civil.)
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To: metafugitive
If I were the bakery, I would bake them cake and cut the chocolate with old-fashioned Ex-Lax.

I would have agreed to bake the cake, but charged them double for having to open up two sets of the little bride and groom toppers. Take it or leave it.

7 posted on 06/23/2013 1:32:45 PM PDT by RansomOttawa (tm)
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To: redreno
If the baker loses and continues to refuse service to gays and lesbians, he could be fined $500 per instance — and given up to a year in jail, his attorney claims.

Refusal to bake cakes for queers can get you a year in jail. That's slavery, plain and simple.

8 posted on 06/23/2013 1:32:55 PM PDT by Spirochete (Does the FedGov have the attributes of a legitimate government?)
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To: Gay State Conservative
>>”Accidentally” mistake the jar of salt-peter for sugar and give them a cake they'll never forget.<<
9 posted on 06/23/2013 1:34:30 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Hey RATs! Control your murdering freaks.)
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To: metafugitive

Nah, just gets them in the mood and all cleaned out. *yuck*


10 posted on 06/23/2013 1:35:42 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: Spirochete

This is how the Lavender Mafia operates. Pity, no one ever gives to them a taste of their own medicine.


11 posted on 06/23/2013 1:36:31 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: coloradan
Whatever happened to “We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone”?

I always blame the lunch counter sit-ins of the 1950s. Once upon a time, property rights mattered. The proprietor could say, "This is my property. I don't want you here. You have to leave now."

Might be a stupid business policy that could really cut into profits, but being a business owner comes with some perks, right?

Well, that all went out the window with MLK. People became heroes for going against the wishes of the owner. Customers had rights. Individuals had rights. Property owners? Not so much.

12 posted on 06/23/2013 1:36:49 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: ClearCase_guy

As I see it, this is quite similar to slavery. Do as I tell you to do because I am your Master, is the subtext here.

A free man or woman can choose who they associate with or do business with. A slave can’t, they MUST do as their master tells them to do.

And this is not about the money the couple is willing to spend. This is about FORCING someone who disagrees with them to do as they tell him to, whether he/she wants to do so. And if that is not a type of Slavery then What is it?


13 posted on 06/23/2013 1:37:00 PM PDT by The Working Man
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To: redreno

Anyone remember these signs from the 1950s and 60s?

WE RESERVE THE RIGHT TO REFUSE SERVICE TO ANYONE!


14 posted on 06/23/2013 1:37:24 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: Spirochete
"That's slavery, plain and simple."

I was wondering about that whole "involuntary servitude" thing myself. And I guess "freedom of association" is also out the window.

15 posted on 06/23/2013 1:37:38 PM PDT by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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To: Flag_This; The Working Man
“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” ― Voltaire
16 posted on 06/23/2013 1:39:27 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: redreno

No. Their wishes and conscience should be respected. Consitutionally, the Feds should leave marriage to the States and/or the people themselves but also, the Constitution defend freedom of thought, expression and so forth so if it offends these bakers to do this, they should have their wishes respected and not be stigmatized or punished. Let the free market work, I’m sure there are other bakers who will make such cakes. Putting people in jail because they act on their convictions, one way or another is wrong.


17 posted on 06/23/2013 1:39:46 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Welcome to "1984" 29 years later.....)
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To: redreno

Here’s the problem — Our idiotic legislators and judges want to equate race with sexual orientation.

So, because discrimination based on race is illegal, discrimination based on sexual orientation is illegal too.


18 posted on 06/23/2013 1:39:51 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: ClearCase_guy

But I’ve still seen those signs on walls recently.


19 posted on 06/23/2013 1:40:31 PM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: redreno

The bakers and photographers in these cases are targeted by the homosexual activists.


20 posted on 06/23/2013 1:43:46 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Just wanted to say I hope you great NSA folks are enjoying my posts here.)
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To: redreno
The "happy" couple.
21 posted on 06/23/2013 1:44:56 PM PDT by matt04
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To: redreno
The "happy" couple.
22 posted on 06/23/2013 1:45:01 PM PDT by matt04
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To: redreno

Barry Goldwater was right.

This was exactly his problem with the final version of the civil rights act.


23 posted on 06/23/2013 1:45:44 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: coloradan

Well, I’ve seen copies of the Constitution recently, but that doesn’t mean the courts have to take it seriously ...


24 posted on 06/23/2013 1:45:49 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: glorgau; All

Yeah, didn’t that Nazi guy lose his kid over a bakery refusing to make little Hitler a cake?

Are animals are equal, some are more equal than others.


25 posted on 06/23/2013 1:46:03 PM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to thoe tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: metafugitive

“If I were the bakery, I would bake them cake and cut the chocolate with old-fashioned Ex-Lax.”

You do realize that poisoning people is illegal in the USA, right?


26 posted on 06/23/2013 1:48:11 PM PDT by Marie ("The last time Democrats gloated this hard after a health care victory, they lost 60 House seats.")
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To: Marie

You can’t poison them, but if I had to make them a cake I’d substitute everything in it for artificial ingredients. It would probably taste like crap, but it would be appropriate to the occasion.


27 posted on 06/23/2013 1:50:50 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: redreno

If amnesty passes, and liberals have an unbreakable lock on government and courts, conservatives and christians are imprisoned for all sorts of things.

Why else do you think Homeland Security needs a billion bullets?


28 posted on 06/23/2013 1:53:05 PM PDT by stinkerpot65 (Global warming is a Marxist lie.)
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To: redreno; All

If parents were making sure that their children were taught the Constitution and its history, then it’s questionionable how young a child could be who could point out the following concerning constitutional precedence. Given that the states have amended the Constituton to expressly protect religious expression, the Constitution silent about marriage and so-called gay rights, the freedom of religious expression, applied to the states by the 14th Amendment, basically trumps any 10th Amendment-protected state laws which protect marriage and gay rights.


29 posted on 06/23/2013 1:53:06 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: redreno

well, if he does go to jail, it should be a pretty easy matter to bake him a cake with a file in it.


30 posted on 06/23/2013 1:53:16 PM PDT by schm0e ("we are in the midst of a coup.")
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To: Spirochete

Wonder what the penalty is for muslim restaurants that refuse to sell me pork?


31 posted on 06/23/2013 1:53:49 PM PDT by Josa
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To: coloradan
Whatever happened to “We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone”?

the right? The Right?

Bwahahahahahahahahahaha!

32 posted on 06/23/2013 1:54:56 PM PDT by schm0e ("we are in the midst of a coup.")
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To: redreno
No, not in the real world.
But under the ILLEGAL ALIEN IN CHIEF's criminal institution, who knows?

Those who support homosexuals are against our Heavenly Father and His Son Jesus Christ.
These anti Christ people only bring destruction on us ALL.
I have NO sympathy for homosexuals!

Homosexuality is a "Mark" of disobedience.
Someone once asked The answer is in the definition of "REPROBATE". And the reason"why" is given in the Bible.

God has a cure for homosexuals.
33 posted on 06/23/2013 1:55:39 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: ClearCase_guy

I”m sitting here wondering how a lawsuit, after going into a Muslim meat market and being refused a Ham and slab of Bacon, would go over with these “civil rights” idiots?

My demands should trump any religious beliefs on their part...right?


34 posted on 06/23/2013 1:57:23 PM PDT by Jerry Attrick
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To: redreno
Could a Christian Baker Doctor Who Refused to Make Wedding Cake for a Gay Couple stay in practice after ObamaCare Really Go to Jail?

That's where we're headed.

-PJ

35 posted on 06/23/2013 1:59:50 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
I always blame the lunch counter sit-ins of the 1950s.

Close. What destroyed the sanctity of free association was the Brown vs. Board decision in 1954. When it declared -- in violation of logic and law -- that "separate is inherently unequal," it offered business operators and anyone in a "public accommodation" no protection from being forced to serve anyone who could crawl in the door.

There has been no definitive ruling on whether precedent requires a business owner to violate his own religious beliefs, but considering the tenor of rulings on religious freedom over the last half a century, it is dubious that they will triumph the manufactured "right" of queers and perverts to demand inclusion under Brown.

Many more of us are going to have to risk jail if we're to resist this scourge.

36 posted on 06/23/2013 2:01:47 PM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: redreno

I would have made it for them ... of course they may or may not have liked the Bob bopping Francis figurines on the top of the cake, but what the heck, it is real life now.


37 posted on 06/23/2013 2:04:35 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (Drug abuse is not a victimless crime ... look at what Obama is doing to the country!)
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To: redreno

http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-action/religious-liberty/fortnight-for-freedom/

Fortnight for Freedom


38 posted on 06/23/2013 2:08:06 PM PDT by Mercat
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To: glorgau

Good point, but the Nazis called it judenrein, not judenfrei.


39 posted on 06/23/2013 2:09:32 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: ClearCase_guy

It boiled down to the commerce clause. People argued, correctly I believe, that they could not travel in certain parts of the country because they could not find places to stay and to eat. In this case, it is a specialty service. I don’t think it could be argued that it limits interstate commerce.


40 posted on 06/23/2013 2:10:57 PM PDT by Mercat
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To: Gay State Conservative

You miss an essential point about business: if you offer a high end product, it hurts your reputation when what you supply is shoddy.


41 posted on 06/23/2013 2:13:19 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: redreno
As I understand it, a business can refuse service to anyone but not on the basis of overt discrimination, specifically, race - although gender is often included. The Colorado bakery is 'discriminating' on the basis of the prospective client's 'sexual orientation'. One has to assume that if the state is bringing discrimination charges against the bakery owners, such a definition exists on Colorado state law. The Christian couple that own the bakery believe homosexual behavior to be a sin, based on biblical scripture. Their spiritual conscience does not allow them to participate in that sin (baking a cake for the ersatz 'wedding') and so they refused the order.

If Colorado laws forbids refusal of a business service based on 'sexual preference' of the potential customer, as in the Masterpiece Bakeshop case, the bakery owners can be charged and fined. However, as The Blaze article points out, Americans have a constitutional right to the practice of their religion. The bakery refusing to bake a 'wedding' cake for a same-sex couple may be technically discriminatory but the real point here is to force acceptance of homosexuality down the throats of those who reject it and make the supposed 'right' of homosexual men or women trump that of those who disagree with their choices on religious grounds.

This was likely a well planned set-up as in a city like Denver, there must be plenty of bakeries that would make a wedding cake for anyone who had the cash. The cake isn't the point. Making homosexual behavior 'mainstream', by force, is. This should be interesting when gays try to force a Muslim business to service them in a way clearly connected to their homosexuality. Oh, wait, they won't. Muslims will burn your house down if you dare offend 'allah'. Christians politely refuse and face the legal consequences. Meanwhile, Americans keep having their individual rights abridged, by law. In the distant future, historians will have a field day examining the decline and eventually demise of America. This case may be an example.

42 posted on 06/23/2013 2:13:50 PM PDT by Jim Scott
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To: redreno

I would have quoted the gays a very high price with payment in advance. If they still wanted it I would bake it for the twerps because the little greed heads are cruising for a lawsuit anyway


43 posted on 06/23/2013 2:14:45 PM PDT by dennisw (too much of a good thing is a bad thing - Joe Pine)
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To: metafugitive
Then the fags would have you arrested for a terrorist act and attempted murder.
Heard from my wife about an incident very much like that at her place of work; what used to be considered a practical joke in bad taste, wound getting the perpetrator a jail sentence.
44 posted on 06/23/2013 2:20:49 PM PDT by 5th MEB (Progressives in the open; --- FIRE FOR EFFECT!!)
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To: redreno

Brothers and sisters, the time is coming when we may actually have to suffer for the faith. Christians have had it very easy in this country until now. We may have to put some skin in the game. “A religion now worth dying for, is not a religion worth living for.” We may have to endure government persecution with acts of civil disobedience as the martyrs did in early Christianity. Most of all refrain from violence. We are not Muslims.


45 posted on 06/23/2013 2:22:48 PM PDT by Nemoque
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To: The Working Man

We have to be careful about saying someone doesn’t have the right to refuse business.

I’m a freelance writer, among other things. I’ve been asked to write copy for adult products and synthetic marijuana. I’ve refused. Was offered a higher pay rate. I refused, citing my religious beliefs. They found someone else to write it. Given rulings like this, do I lose the right to refuse work?


46 posted on 06/23/2013 2:24:29 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: redreno

Well, Paula Dern just ‘lost’ her job with one of the reasons being she was planning or had planned a wedding on a plantation ala 1800’s and she had planned on being periodical.
The much ballyhooed “Slave Museum” in Fredricksburg VA was told it couldn’t have ‘slave quarters’ or depict ‘slave auctions’. They had so many ‘restrictions’ thrown on them that it finally went bankrupt. AND Blacks were running it. (Former Gov Wilder).

Imagine if I went into a Black bakery(?) and ordered a cake with a ‘Tom Sawyer’ theme, don’t even think ‘Tar Baby’ or any ‘Uncle Remus’ themes....

They have got it so that if, in the work place, you compliment a woman on her hairdo, dress or demeanor you may be charged with Sexual Harassment - you know, because he said it ‘that’ way.

If you say nothing other than the good morning or goodbye in the evening, they can charge you with running an unfriendly, hostile work place.

The WHINERS have won and Bizzarro World is firmly entrenched.


47 posted on 06/23/2013 2:34:20 PM PDT by xrmusn (6/98 --Inside every 'older' man there is a 'younger' man wondering "WTF happened")
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To: HereInTheHeartland; redreno
That's a recurring theme ~ the gay blades already don't like someone so they concoct a phony cookie or cake conflict then sue.

The correct approach is to simply do a bad job of it. Good example of 'bad job' is to bake it 2 days ahead of schedule and apply 2 layers of icing (or maybe a week ahead ~ there are experts in this who know what it takes).

That harms no one ~ but the cake will achieve a consistency similar to cardboard near the surface. Demand a significant advance deposit, in cash.

48 posted on 06/23/2013 2:34:32 PM PDT by muawiyah (Get your RED (state) Arm Bands ~)
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To: Nemoque

Nemoque, regarding your last point you are probably right but I guess I hate the idea. Why as a Christian can I not fight? Why do I have to just get arrested?

I do agree that is probably what Christ would say, no violence, but it just doesn’t sit well with me. Nor does it make me feel better for my family.

Again, not arguing your point.


49 posted on 06/23/2013 2:35:41 PM PDT by roofgoat
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To: muawiyah

Demand a significant advance deposit, in cash.
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Maybe, but do that and you had better do it to all.

No different than not selling a house because the prospective buyers are ____________________ Fill in the blanks.

(other than White, Christian, Straights— they are fair game and you can take out ALL your frustrations on them).


50 posted on 06/23/2013 2:41:32 PM PDT by xrmusn (6/98 --Inside every 'older' man there is a 'younger' man wondering "WTF happened")
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