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Lou Reed's shock at Edward Snowden's NSA revelations video
Guardian UK ^ | Friday, June 21, 2013 | John Plunkett and Andy Gallagher

Posted on 06/23/2013 5:17:34 AM PDT by SunkenCiv

Velvet Underground legend Lou Reed holds a rare press conference at the Cannes Lions International Festival of Creativity, where he voices his concern about the NSA's surveillance methods as revealed by the Guardian. He also discusses the financial challenges for musicians in an era of free downloads and streaming services

Velvet Underground legend Lou Reed

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TOPICS: United Kingdom; War on Terror
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1 posted on 06/23/2013 5:17:34 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Sorry to wake you, Lou.


2 posted on 06/23/2013 5:18:04 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: SunkenCiv

LOL! That’s funny.


3 posted on 06/23/2013 5:19:10 AM PDT by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: SunkenCiv

These lefties promote Democraps for years, shouting us down when we warn they are really totalitarian statists, and then express shock to find out they are acting like totalitarian statists.


4 posted on 06/23/2013 5:20:27 AM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: SunkenCiv
He also discusses the financial challenges for musicians in an era of free downloads and streaming services

But, but, but...I thought it was about the music - not the money.

5 posted on 06/23/2013 5:21:11 AM PDT by newfreep (Breitbart sent me...)
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To: SunkenCiv

Lou has one point. The punks who steal the songs now....aren’t paying into the pot of money that the old rock guys used to make a fair amount of money for retirement purposes. So those wasted millions as a 21-year old....aren’t around today, and no real income from the CD sales or on-line sales.


6 posted on 06/23/2013 5:21:34 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: SunkenCiv

Lou Reed in a moment of lucidity.................no worries though, I’m sure it’ll pass.


7 posted on 06/23/2013 5:24:27 AM PDT by V_TWIN
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To: pepsionice

I’ve spent my share of money on music over the years. Paid for the same songs four times - vinyl, 8-track, cassette, and CD.

That’s enough.


8 posted on 06/23/2013 5:25:28 AM PDT by abb
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To: abb

I bet over my life....I probably put $8,000 into CD, cassettes, 8-tracks, and records. Over the past five years....I haven’t spent a penny.


9 posted on 06/23/2013 5:30:40 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: pepsionice

I would guess the number for me is probably somewhere in that range. And that was back when that amount was a fair chunk of money.


10 posted on 06/23/2013 5:35:09 AM PDT by abb
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To: SunkenCiv
He also discusses the financial challenges for musicians in an era of free downloads and streaming services

Sing it once; get paid once.

11 posted on 06/23/2013 5:36:54 AM PDT by meadsjn
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To: SunkenCiv
In the future musicians will earn their money by ...

(are you holding your breath?)

By performing.

What a revolutionary idea.

The best (or least the most popular) of them will collect a few coins via iTunes and the like but the big money will come from the live audiences. Unfortunately many young singers and musicians still believe that you can write a few songs, cut a CD every couple of years and lead the good life.

I don't think so. Time to get off your rear ends and find some folks who will pay you to do your music live.

12 posted on 06/23/2013 5:40:44 AM PDT by InterceptPoint (If I had a tag line this is where you would find it)
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To: InterceptPoint

and CDs went out with powdered wigs. :’)


13 posted on 06/23/2013 5:43:08 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Looks like Trafficant's rug:


14 posted on 06/23/2013 5:46:25 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Guns kill people, pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk & spoons make you fat.)
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To: pepsionice

The copyright business as it stands today is basically a swindle.

If you look at youtube, it’s a giant freeforall, where thieves - big thieves to be sure - assert copyrights they don’t really have, and the artists be d*mned.

Same goes for absolutely every piece of data, with even the fedgov asserting copyright to al quaida propaganda films in order to regulate distribution.


15 posted on 06/23/2013 5:49:42 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Obama equals Osama))
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To: newfreep

“I thought it was about the music - not the money.”

Obviously not about the chicks.


16 posted on 06/23/2013 5:49:46 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: carriage_hill

Beam me up :)


17 posted on 06/23/2013 5:51:07 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Obama equals Osama))
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To: Hardraade

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_copyright_law

The origin of copyright law in most European countries lies in efforts by the church and governments to regulate and control the output of printers.[6] Before the invention of the printing press, a writing, once created, could only be physically multiplied by the highly laborious and error-prone process of manual copying by scribes. An elaborate system of censorship and control over scribes existed.[7] Printing allowed for multiple exact copies of a work, leading to a more rapid and widespread circulation of ideas and information (see print culture).[6] Pope Alexander VI issued a bull in 1501 against the unlicensed printing of books and in 1559 the Index Expurgatorius, or List of Prohibited Books, was issued for the first time.[7]


18 posted on 06/23/2013 5:54:35 AM PDT by abb
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To: SunkenCiv

Oh, I still have a couple yards of pristine vinyl, and a GOOD system for it, and a few hundred CD’s. In some ways it can’t be beat. Like ligtbulbs.


19 posted on 06/23/2013 5:55:02 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Obama equals Osama))
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To: SunkenCiv

take a walk on the wild side, off a short peer, their Lou.

And the colored girls say
“Doo do doo do doo do do doo ...”


20 posted on 06/23/2013 5:58:17 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Mr. K
"These lefties promote Democraps for years, shouting us down when we warn they are really totalitarian statists, and then express shock to find out they are acting like totalitarian statists."

Well said, K.

Leftists are totalitarians. It never seems to penetrate their dim wits that the chances that a totalitarian state would govern to their advantage are between zilch and zero.

Are they really stupid enough to think that any totalitarian would favor them and their hare-brained ideas? Probably.

The oft-proven reality is that a dictator governs in his own interests--not those of the governed. This is lost on the stupid.

21 posted on 06/23/2013 6:00:24 AM PDT by Savage Beast (The forces of decadence are the forces of evil.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Went to see Peter Gabriel and orchestra a few years back. Lou was opening act. Absolutley horrible. noise is all I can say, he was sh##faced. So lets hear what lou has to say......not!


22 posted on 06/23/2013 6:48:44 AM PDT by ronnie raygun (Yesterdays conspiracies are todays truths)
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To: meadsjn
Sing it once; get paid once.

Okay, in that case, I want you to go buy a car, and drive it once. Then give it to me at no cost, so I can drive it and pass it along to someone else.

When someone creates (writes) a song, he owns it. It is his property, just like your car and home are your property. If there is money to be made off the song, (the property), it is the right of the songwriter, or whoever owns the rights to the property, to determine how the money will be made, and to whom it will go. Sing it once and get paid once? Yeah right, tell that to Bill Gates, or anyone else who owns intellectual property.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

23 posted on 06/23/2013 7:03:08 AM PDT by wku man (Amnesty? No Way, Jose (No Se Puede!) by 10 Pound Test http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsTUQ8yOI2c)
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To: Hardraade

Spent a lot of money on records, 8-tracks, cassettes, and CDs too. I’ve still got a crapload of CDs that I periodically listen to when I’m in my car. Hopefully my kids will be able to get rid of them on eBay after I die.


24 posted on 06/23/2013 8:15:05 AM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: wku man
By your flawed reasoning, if I buy a car, the manufacturer would be charging me in perpetuity for every mile I drive, prohibiting me from loaning the car to my neighbor without additional payment to the manufacturer, dictating how and when I may drive the vehicle, and how and when I might sell the vehicle to some other party.
25 posted on 06/23/2013 1:11:52 PM PDT by meadsjn
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To: SunkenCiv

Maybe finally a bunch of liberals are waking up and realizing their “heroes” aren’t what they thought they were.


26 posted on 06/23/2013 1:13:28 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: ronnie raygun
Absolutley horrible. noise is all I can say, he was sh##faced.

Probably explains why he had to get his liver replaced.

27 posted on 06/23/2013 1:14:12 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

He looks like a re-animated corpse, and sounds like one too — a zombie.

And he’s wrong too. What Obama’s doing doesn’t sound like a “continuation of what Bush was doing”. It goes much further, and it’s all being used against Obama’s political enemies.


28 posted on 06/23/2013 2:05:34 PM PDT by zipper ("The Second Amendment IS my carry permit!" -- Ted Nugent)
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To: dfwgator

We’re asking a lot of liberals. ;’)


29 posted on 06/23/2013 2:49:33 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: SunkenCiv

My goodness! Lou hasn’t aged well, has he?


30 posted on 06/23/2013 6:29:51 PM PDT by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Still bitterly clinging to rational thought despite it's unfashionability)
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To: Some Fat Guy in L.A.

Heroin will do that to you.


31 posted on 06/23/2013 6:31:03 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: meadsjn
No, by my reasoning, if you create something, it's as much your property as anything you purchase or work for. Some people make money with a computer, some make money with a hammer, musicians make money (not a whole lot, but sometimes we actually do get paid) with a guitar, a piano, or other instrument. When we make money for the music we create, it's no different than someone getting paid for selling insurance or mortgages...it's just a lot more fun.

The songs I've written, and for which I've registered the copyright, are my property, as much as my truck, my house, my guns and my guitars. It's up to me to determine how much and how often I get paid for them, who has the right to use them, in what manner, etc. Anyone who uses my songs without (my) permission, illegally downloads them, or steals the lyrics and/or music is violating my rights.

BMI and ASCAP used to, and presumably still do, collect a fee from the sale of all blank music media -- cassettes, reel-to-reel tapes, CD and DVD-RWs, etc. This money was split evenly between members, to compensate for those people who made copies of albums to share. I don't know what they're doing about illegal file sharing, if there's anything that can be done. But make no mistake, pirating music is stealing, as much as if I stole your car and took it for a joy ride, or broke into your house while you were on vacation and squatted there for a week.

Those who steal music online are no better than muggers, shoplifters, or anyone else who takes stuff that isn't theirs.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

32 posted on 06/23/2013 8:12:13 PM PDT by wku man (Amnesty? No Way, Jose (No Se Puede!) by 10 Pound Test http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsTUQ8yOI2c)
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To: SunkenCiv; a fool in paradise

I thought he was dead.


33 posted on 06/23/2013 8:13:07 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Oh, cry me a river, Lou. You weren’t complaining when RCA was funding your drug addictions with advances, when you showed up shitfaced for performances that working people shelled out their hard earned dollars for. You still get your composer royalties, minus the splits you agreed to make with the greedy publishers.


34 posted on 06/23/2013 8:22:31 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: SunkenCiv; Revolting cat!

“He also discusses the financial challenges for musicians in an era of free downloads and streaming services”

There are financial challenges for artists who’s records are resold on the collectible market as well.

$250-800 a throw for garage punk bands from the 1960s (high school kids really).

And some of the soul singles can go for upwards of $10,000 topping out at $25,000 for an extremely rare Motown single (I think there were 2 copies).

All that money changing hands and the performers don’t see a dime. Neither do the publishers. They got their pennies when the record was originally sold.

Even if the used records and CDs and cassettes are only being sold for $3-8 the companies don’t see a dime of it.

Recorded music money pales in compare to the draw you can get from performing while you are in your prime.


35 posted on 06/24/2013 11:04:23 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: pepsionice

Lou’s drummer from the Velvet Underground, Moe Tucker, appears to be a conservative who attended a tea party rally.


36 posted on 06/24/2013 11:16:37 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: wku man

Have you ever told a joke that you heard or read someplace? Did you pay the person who originally wrote it?


37 posted on 06/24/2013 11:18:01 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: wku man
Sing it once and get paid once? Yeah right, tell that to Bill Gates, or anyone else who owns intellectual property.

Tell that to the guy who wrote MS-DOS and was paid $10,000 flat rate. The guy never even saw a penny a copy for the billions of installations of it over the years...

More like the business practices of Alan Klein or the suits at Atlantic records who stole the US publishing money on the Beatles, the Stones, and the Stax Records artists when the slipped them revised "contracts".

38 posted on 06/24/2013 11:21:30 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: meadsjn

Originally when recorded music began, in America you didn’t have to pay the songwriter (the money was in sheet music, around 50 cents).

Then the industry changed the law.

And you didn’t have to pay anybody to play records on the radio (the labels would even send stations the recordings to be sure to get them in the library since it was unlikely for the station to BUY music when other labels gave them free inventory).

Then the industry changed the law. Several laws in fact. Live musicians feared that they would not get as much work because stations would play recordings rather than hiring live talent. So stations dating back to the 1920s pay intoa fund for gigs for live musicians. I think some of this gets tapped when you find a station that sponsors “free concerts in the park” with decades old performers.

Now as copyrights are to risk of lapsing into the public domain, the laws were changed yet again.

Homeland Security considers music and movie piracy to be a “national security” issue.

The industry sure buys a lot of laws.


39 posted on 06/24/2013 11:30:00 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: Hardraade

The alphabet networks which are billion dollar entertainment companies will steal video clips from youtube of “breaking news events” and lolcats without paying the creators.

Funny how that works. I’ve never heard of a successful prosecution against one of these megacompanies even when the creators post “contact me for usage/clearance” information.

I am referring to disaster footage (collapsing stages at concerts, plane crashes, tsunamis, etc.).

Time was a Zapruder on the scene would actually make money for his being in the right place at the right time.

I have zero sympathy for the companies that have abused copyright law, abused the public trust in news coverage, etc.


40 posted on 06/24/2013 11:34:36 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: a fool in paradise
"Have you ever told a joke that you heard or read someplace? Did you pay the person who originally wrote it?"

Apples and oranges. No, I don't pay to tell other peoples' jokes. Of course, I don't make any money from telling them, either. Really...is that the best argument you can come up with?

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

41 posted on 06/24/2013 12:04:33 PM PDT by wku man (Amnesty? No Way, Jose (No Se Puede!) by 10 Pound Test http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsTUQ8yOI2c)
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To: wku man; a fool in paradise
Apples and oranges.


42 posted on 06/24/2013 12:07:00 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: wku man
BMI and ASCAP used to, and presumably still do, collect a fee from the sale of all blank music media -- cassettes, reel-to-reel tapes, CD and DVD-RWs, etc. This money was split evenly between members, to compensate for those people who made copies of albums to share

I happen to use "all blank music media" that you list to record my own music, text, photo and film. Why am I paying this fee? Who's being robbed here?

43 posted on 06/24/2013 12:10:06 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: wku man
Who's making money from free digital downloads?


44 posted on 06/24/2013 12:31:09 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: a fool in paradise
" Tell that to the guy who wrote MS-DOS and was paid $10,000 flat rate. The guy never even saw a penny a copy for the billions of installations of it over the years...

More like the business practices of Alan Klein or the suits at Atlantic records who stole the US publishing money on the Beatles, the Stones, and the Stax Records artists when the slipped them revised "contracts".

Uh, yeah...and?

I'm not denying that creative types get screwed out of what's owed to them. IF your examples did not sign contracts enabling the people buying their creations to do what they did (and that is an "if" that needs to be considered), then they were screwed. No doubt about it...it happens. But that doesn't make it right, moral or legal.

My point is that when someone steals someone else's song (or any other creation) -- be it by the label screwing the artist out of money, or some Generation.com punk illegally sharing songs -- it's theft. Just as stealing a car, shoplifting a bag of chips from the Kwiki-Mart, or making a bootleg copy of software at work, those who illegally share downloaded music are thieves. In all those cases, someone is taking something they don't own from someone who does, and not paying them for it.

So whether it's Bill Gates, Lou Reed, the guy who wrote DOS, or a struggling local band, if they own the rights to their creations, they are entitled to make money from each copy sold or shared. But in this digital world, coming up with a way to enforce those rights proving difficult.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

45 posted on 06/24/2013 12:34:36 PM PDT by wku man (Amnesty? No Way, Jose (No Se Puede!) by 10 Pound Test http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsTUQ8yOI2c)
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To: a fool in paradise
I don't get your point. Do Roger Waters or David Gilmour own the rights to the phrase, "apples and oranges" (I kind of doubt it)? Also, if the downloads are being offered for free, well, that's the right of whoever owns the downloaded material. So the point is moot.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

46 posted on 06/24/2013 12:39:12 PM PDT by wku man (Amnesty? No Way, Jose (No Se Puede!) by 10 Pound Test http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsTUQ8yOI2c)
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To: Revolting cat!
Yes...but try making orange cobbler.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

47 posted on 06/24/2013 12:40:04 PM PDT by wku man (Amnesty? No Way, Jose (No Se Puede!) by 10 Pound Test http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsTUQ8yOI2c)
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To: wku man

There is also chemical content which is nearly identical! Cliché Fail!


48 posted on 06/24/2013 12:47:25 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: a fool in paradise
"The alphabet networks which are billion dollar entertainment companies will steal video clips from youtube of “breaking news events” and lolcats without paying the creators.

--snip--

I am referring to disaster footage (collapsing stages at concerts, plane crashes, tsunamis, etc.).

You do realize, don't you, that just because they do it, those who own the rights to those videos do have the right to demand payment for their use? I'm a former reporter, who has been paid by some of the national networks for my reports, and have worked at stations that pay stringers for their video and audio. Had we ever used that video or audio without the stringer's permission, we were liable. Had the networks ever used my reports without paying me, there would have definitely been a lawsuit!

So just because someone's video or audio has been lifted from You Tube doesn't mean they weren't paid for it. To do so would open the station/network up to lawsuits, which trust me, they don't want.

Then again, there's also the whole concept of "fair use", which is another topic altogether.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

49 posted on 06/24/2013 12:55:45 PM PDT by wku man (Amnesty? No Way, Jose (No Se Puede!) by 10 Pound Test http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsTUQ8yOI2c)
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To: Revolting cat!
Yeah, but was Anita Bryant ever a spokeswoman for apple juice? Was Rush Limbaugh? Have you ever heard of "Orange Brown Betty"? Has anyone ever heard of Johnny Orangeseed? I think not.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

50 posted on 06/24/2013 12:59:32 PM PDT by wku man (Amnesty? No Way, Jose (No Se Puede!) by 10 Pound Test http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsTUQ8yOI2c)
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