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Plane Crash Cancels Dayton Airshow (Biplane with wing walker)
http://m.whiotv.com/news/news/local/wing-walkers-plane-crashes-at-dayton-air-show/nYSBY/ ^

Posted on 06/22/2013 11:05:20 AM PDT by Buck-I-Guy

The Vectren Dayton Air Show has been cancelled for the day in the aftermath of a fiery crash.

(Excerpt) Read more at m.whiotv.com ...


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KEYWORDS: airshow; airshows; aviation; dayton; janewicker; ohio; sourcetitlenoturl; vectrendaytonairshow; wingwalker; wingwalking

1 posted on 06/22/2013 11:05:20 AM PDT by Buck-I-Guy
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To: Buck-I-Guy; 04-Bravo; 1FASTGLOCK45; 1stFreedom; 2ndDivisionVet; 2sheds; 60Gunner; 6AL-4V; ...
Aviation and Aerospace ping

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2 posted on 06/22/2013 11:09:49 AM PDT by EveningStar ("What color is the sky in your world?" -- Frasier Crane)
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To: Buck-I-Guy

Video at link


3 posted on 06/22/2013 11:10:47 AM PDT by Buck-I-Guy
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To: Buck-I-Guy; All
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDPySZfLHGU
4 posted on 06/22/2013 11:13:19 AM PDT by EveningStar ("What color is the sky in your world?" -- Frasier Crane)
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To: Buck-I-Guy

“All of a sudden I heard screaming and looked up and there was a fire ball,” said Stan Thayer of Wilmington.

Shawn Warwick of New Knoxville said he was watching the plane through binoculars. “I noticed it was upside down really close to the ground. She was sitting on the bottom of the plane,” he said. “I saw it just go right into the ground and explode.”


5 posted on 06/22/2013 11:13:30 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( ==> sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Buck-I-Guy; All
Jane Wicker Wingwalker website

Jane Wicker Airshows Facebook page

6 posted on 06/22/2013 11:18:41 AM PDT by EveningStar ("What color is the sky in your world?" -- Frasier Crane)
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To: Buck-I-Guy; All

Your original link has been updated.

Fatalities have been confirmed.


7 posted on 06/22/2013 11:25:16 AM PDT by EveningStar ("What color is the sky in your world?" -- Frasier Crane)
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To: EveningStar

So horrible...


8 posted on 06/22/2013 11:28:36 AM PDT by newfreep (Breitbart sent me...)
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To: Buck-I-Guy

Looks like a wind gust or ineffective aileron deflection failed to compensate for her weight and get the wings level for the inverted pass. Not enough altitude to correct so all lift was lost and it nosed in left wing first. Very sad and tragic.


9 posted on 06/22/2013 11:30:30 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (To stay calm during these tumultuous times, I take Damitol. Ask your Doctor if it's right for you.)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

One of the reasons I never go to airshows, even though there are many here in Florida. I really don’t want to see anything like this (although I realize there are others who are hoping it will happen).


10 posted on 06/22/2013 11:33:21 AM PDT by livius
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To: Buck-I-Guy

It almost seems like it’s not a matter of “if” these air show participants will die in a crash, just a matter of when.


11 posted on 06/22/2013 11:36:27 AM PDT by Ronald_Magnus
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To: livius
Livius,

You know,it might seem beyond the pale, but some of us go just because we love seeing airplanes and pilots strutting their stuff.

Oldplayer

12 posted on 06/22/2013 11:46:41 AM PDT by oldplayer
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To: livius
One of the reasons I never go to airshows, even though there are many here in Florida. I really don’t want to see anything like this

Same here. Furthermore I do not want to end up being in the wrong place at the wrong time and becoming part of the accident.

If I do watch them on TV it's to be amazed at how good the pilots are and not to witness something going wrong (unless it can be corrected by the pilot before something bad happens).

13 posted on 06/22/2013 11:54:19 AM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: Buck-I-Guy

About 1980 I was building a fence for a camp right behind an elderly woman’s house who invited me inside for a cold drink and AC as it was a blistering hot summer day.

There were photos on the wall of her as a young woman in the late 1920’s wing walking on biplanes, walking around the edge of the empire state building and on the top of bridges over the Hudson.

She delighted in describing each photo and the people in them. Must have stayed 2 hours listening to her.


14 posted on 06/22/2013 11:56:01 AM PDT by Rebelbase (1929-1950's, 20+years for full recovery. How long this time?)
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To: Rebelbase

That lady has forgotten more nerve than I have ever had. I learned to fly, soloed a few times and loved it..and love to go up in small planes. But I have never desired to try wingwalking. Those ladies were fearless. Yours must have been a great conversation with her. Wow.


15 posted on 06/22/2013 12:07:08 PM PDT by SueRae (It isn't over. In God We Trust.)
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To: Buck-I-Guy

Oh, how tragic. I am not going to speculate on the causes, just mourn the loss of two fine aviators and entertainers. Prayers to Dayton. :-(


16 posted on 06/22/2013 12:08:44 PM PDT by SueRae (It isn't over. In God We Trust.)
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To: Buck-I-Guy

Looks like the engine threw a rod, engine lost power.. Pilot tried to ‘right the ship’ but didn’t have the altitude to do so. Would’ve crashed regardless due to engine seizure.


17 posted on 06/22/2013 12:10:09 PM PDT by CivilWarBrewing
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To: CivilWarBrewing

It did puff smoke when he rolled and started down. If he had been able to right the ship, she would have been hanging underneath. Either way, somebody was gonna get hurt.


18 posted on 06/22/2013 12:20:13 PM PDT by eartrumpet
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To: Buck-I-Guy

There are old pilots and bold pilots, but no old bold pilots! : (


19 posted on 06/22/2013 12:29:47 PM PDT by US_MilitaryRules (Tastes like Heaven, Burns like Hell! Mmmmmm. What is it?)
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To: EveningStar
Plowed her straight into the ground and then into the flames...bad way to go.

Video

20 posted on 06/22/2013 12:35:49 PM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: US_MilitaryRules
There are old pilots and bold pilots, but no old bold pilots!

Chuck Yeager.

On October 14, 2012 on the 65th anniversary of breaking the sound barrier, Yeager did it again in a McDonnell Douglas F-15 Eagle, out of Nellis Air Force Base at the age of 89

21 posted on 06/22/2013 12:38:55 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: Buck-I-Guy

Oh. OOPS!


22 posted on 06/22/2013 12:39:57 PM PDT by miserare (Fire Eric Holder!)
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To: Buck-I-Guy; 04-Bravo; 1FASTGLOCK45; 1stFreedom; 2ndDivisionVet; 2sheds; 60Gunner; 6AL-4V; ...
From The Daily Mail: BREAKING NEWS: Stuntwoman mother of two and pilot die in crash as plane she was riding on top of crashes in a fireball at Ohio airshow
A woman wing walker and her pilot were confirmed dead after their plane crashed in a ball of flames at an airshow Saturday afternoon.

Terrence Slaybaugh, the director of aviation for Dayton, confirmed their deaths around 2 p.m. The crash occurred at around 12:45 p.m.

Jane Wicker, a mother of two, was atop the biplane at the Vectren Air Show near Dayton, Ohio when it plunged to the ground in front of horrified onlookers. The pilot, Charlie Schwenker, also perished in the crash.

From Marilyn Dash:
My thoughts and prayers are with Jane Wicker, Charlie Schwenker and their families (especially Rock, Jane's fiance). I've known Jane for many years and she was always working striving for perfection. Such a horrible tragedy...

23 posted on 06/22/2013 1:05:33 PM PDT by EveningStar ("What color is the sky in your world?" -- Frasier Crane)
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To: Timber Rattler

I think you’re right. Her body( or what’s left of it) bounces into the air to the left of the plane, hits the ground, then rolls into the fire. I’m guessing she and the pilot only had a half of a second to know they were going to die. Very sad.


24 posted on 06/22/2013 1:20:27 PM PDT by Ronald_Magnus
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To: Timber Rattler

I think you’re right. Her body( or what’s left of it) bounces into the air to the left of the plane, hits the ground, then rolls into the fire. I’m guessing she and the pilot only had a half of a second to know they were going to die. Very sad.


25 posted on 06/22/2013 1:20:28 PM PDT by Ronald_Magnus
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To: CivilWarBrewing

Looks like the left wing that she was on stalled . Either he was too slow or AOA was too high , either way it was a fast and painless end.


26 posted on 06/22/2013 1:21:53 PM PDT by pterional
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To: Buck-I-Guy; mickie; flaglady47; Maine Mariner; Friendly Tiger; pax_et_bonum; oswegodeee; ...
There's a video floating around the internet today of the view that the Wallenda guy will have of his feet and below as he tight-rope walks over the Grand Canyon chasm.

It looks like the video is vivid high-resolution and in full living color. I really didn't find out because the start photo was enough to make my tummy and legs queasy enough that I couldn't bring myself to hit the arrow to start the video rolling.

No, I don't have acrophobia....just Wallendaphobia. I don't want to think of him looking like a Gumby as he lays flattened at 6000 feet below the rim of the canyon.

Leni

27 posted on 06/22/2013 1:43:44 PM PDT by MinuteGal (SO)
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To: oldplayer

Ditto that oldplayer. I am a private pilot, I didn’t get my certificate until I was 41 in 1995. Single engine land and seaplane ratings. I’ve had some aerobatic lessons but I believe altitude is your friend so I never wanted to be a performer since there is a lot of low level flight involved. I save low level for takeoffs and landings. But I love airshows. My prayers are with all involved directly and indirectly with this tragedy.


28 posted on 06/22/2013 3:29:04 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (To stay calm during these tumultuous times, I take Damitol. Ask your Doctor if it's right for you.)
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To: livius

Do you stay off the Interstate Highways for the same reason? Everything has risk involved.


29 posted on 06/22/2013 3:37:58 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (To stay calm during these tumultuous times, I take Damitol. Ask your Doctor if it's right for you.)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

Seen them many times at Air shows in the past RIP!


30 posted on 06/22/2013 4:04:21 PM PDT by Conserev1 ("Still Clinging to my Bible and my Weapon")
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To: US_MilitaryRules

I have an 80 plus old pilot on my field who still teaches aerobatics.
Use to teach P-51 pilots too.
Can out fly me by miles.


31 posted on 06/22/2013 4:05:57 PM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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To: Timber Rattler
I saw the video and it appears both the pilot and wing walker never had a chance--the impact completely broke the plane to many pieces and killed both instantly.
32 posted on 06/22/2013 4:16:08 PM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: Conserev1

I never saw them perform in person. But they will be missed.


33 posted on 06/22/2013 4:29:43 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (To stay calm during these tumultuous times, I take Damitol. Ask your Doctor if it's right for you.)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

I don’t particularly want to see it happen. You have to drive, but you don’t have to go to airshows. The risk is pretty high, and I’d just rather not be there to see it when it happens.


34 posted on 06/22/2013 6:00:18 PM PDT by livius
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To: livius

Nobody wanted to see this.

I was at the show, and there was no rush to the fenceline to get closer to this accident. People turned away. It was a very somber crowd. By the time they announced that there would be no more flying today, the crowd was mostly gone.

What you can’t see in the video is the plane was pointed right at the crowd before it dove into the ground. I remember seeing the round engine cowling as a circle, which means the plane was headed for the Pavilion area. I can’t prove it, but it looked to me like the pilot dove it into the grass to avoid the crowd.


35 posted on 06/22/2013 7:56:14 PM PDT by Haiku Guy (Gun Control Haiku: Say "Registration" / And they call you paranoid / So say "Privacy")
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To: livius

“A ship is safe in harbor, but that’s not what ships are for.”

I have spent many hours around aviation, and I have enjoyed it. It is worth it to me. Missing air shows is not something I am made for...:)

I am sure there are some people who want to see a crash, but if you ever spent as much time as I have around aviation, you would understand, nobody wants to see it, ever, unless you are at war and it is the enemy.

That said, there are few people I have ever known to whom witnessing mishaps or watching a video of one is not awestruck at the drama inherent in it. You would have to be made of wood to be impervious.

And I have seen four aviation accidents with my own eyes, and those are some of the most memorable events of any in my life. But even though it is difficult to retell the story without my obvious excitement (being expressed in the retelling) showing, but I invariably get a sick feeling in my stomach.

No, anyone who takes the time to be interested in aviation is not wishing for mishaps. There are ghouls like that everywhere.


36 posted on 06/22/2013 8:40:37 PM PDT by rlmorel (Silence: The New Hate Speech)
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To: CivilWarBrewing

I think you are correct, sir. I watched again and there was a big smoke discharge just before the plane lurched. The didn’t have a chance of recovering.

I managed to access her FB page, she had the plane restored a couple of years ago. Sadly, she was preparing to marry another wingwalker next year. They were to have a wingwalker wedding. Horrific loss for their families.


37 posted on 06/23/2013 6:16:02 AM PDT by SueRae (It isn't over. In God We Trust.)
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To: P-Marlowe
Chuck Yeager.

The thing is, Yeager would disagree with you on that. I used to attend the GE-sponsored lectures he'd give every October (to coincide with the anniversary of his supersonic flight) at the Air and Space Museum in DC.

Every year somebody would - inevitably - ask him the "Right Stuff" question. He'd talk about the science and engineering that went into the planning of each and every test flight. He'd basically say that the bold test pilots did usually manage to get themselves killed. Others dying because the pre-flight engineering assumptions were bad.

From those lectures and his books I think the only really "bold" things he did in his career were shooting up those dumped external fuel tanks during his WWII "Big Day" sortie with Bud Anderson, and hammering down the tailpipe of an older F-86 (or maybe it was an F-84) to produce more thrust so he could keep up with a newer one with a more powerful engine. And I think even for that he consulted with some engineers to determine whether and for how long he could get away with it before risking the plane and his life.

That's not to say that he's not a hero and a giant of aviation ... just that he also showed an enormous amount of discipline, restraint and common sense. Which probably contributed to his longevity.
38 posted on 06/23/2013 6:28:40 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: SueRae
I think you are correct, sir. I watched again and there was a big smoke discharge just before the plane lurched. The didn’t have a chance of recovering.

The big smoke discharge may have been from the pilot firewalling the throttle when he realized his lift went away. Otherwise, I agree completely - that low, that fast and with asymmetric weight on the wings there was no way to avoid the crash. It's entirely possible (likely even) that the pilot managed to get the plane turned away from the crowd with his final actions. Saving a lot of spectators.
39 posted on 06/23/2013 6:35:27 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: SueRae

On second look the discharge occurs when the pilot attempts to roll the plane inverted, not at the point where it’s obvious that lift is gone.


40 posted on 06/23/2013 6:39:53 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: livius

“(although I realize there are others who are hoping it will happen).”

You really should stop projecting your own desires on others. That’s just sick to claim people want to see an crash. The mere fact that you can to this thread says you were interested in an airplane crash. A gawker as much as anyone.


41 posted on 06/23/2013 7:21:05 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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