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BREAKING: Zimmerman Judge Rules Out Audio Experts
TTAG ^ | JUNE 22, 2013 | Robert Farago

Posted on 06/22/2013 9:24:04 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER

“In a major blow for the prosecution in the George Zimmerman case, a judge on Saturday barred the testimony of two audio experts who suggested that a taped 911 call indicated Trayvon Martin was crying out for help during the violent struggle that ended with a gunshot,”

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: braking; florida; georgezimmerman; mistrial; notbreakingnews; testimony; trayvonmartin; trial; zimmerman
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

The ones ruled out were NOT experts; they were charlatans. This is very good for GZ.


41 posted on 06/22/2013 10:14:35 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes everything. Bolshies' gonna bolsh.)
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To: EDINVA

and this mornings AP story locally printed was very even tempered in actually laying out exactly what the case is about.

Meanwhile, when he is found not guilty, first part of discovery for Zimmerman’s civil suit should be a subpeona for all attempts to have the audio recording analyized by the prosecution including the results of those attempts. They did not just stumble into these two nimrods who authored that ridicules report purporting to actually hear the words of St. Trayvon. That may form the basis of the false prosecution claim along with the attempts to withhold other evidence from the defense. The DA in Jacksonville who signed off on this case as an attempt to megotiate a plea to some lessor charge, Nifonging GZ, needs to be removed too.


42 posted on 06/22/2013 10:17:34 AM PDT by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
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To: digger48

The defense experts merely controverted the government’s. Each of them said that nothing could be said about who was screaming in the tape.


43 posted on 06/22/2013 10:25:52 AM PDT by Redmen4ever
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To: House Atreides

Also they said that screaming is not matchable to regular speech and since they do not have screaming samples from either Zimmerman or Martin...


44 posted on 06/22/2013 10:25:53 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
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45 posted on 06/22/2013 10:26:33 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Electorate data confirms Resolute Conservative voted for Soetoro)
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To: tacticalogic

Over here in Hollywood, one of my acquaintances who works for Dolby usually gets hired for court testimony as an audio expert. He won’t ever testify unless he’s 100% sure without any doubt as his resume and reputation are on the line.


46 posted on 06/22/2013 10:31:34 AM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company after the election, & laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: Gay State Conservative

Am I right in assuming that this was audio that was picked up by a witness that was making a 911 call to report a fight?

If so, then the scenario is a teeny-tiny cell phone microphone picking up audio at a distance and out of line-of-sight (since witness did not see the fight, I have to assume it was like from a porch or through a window).

I am no audio expert, but I have sold HiFi gear all my life and the idea that distant background voices recorded by a microphone from the lowest bidder, digitized to the smallest bit-rate possible, sent through other electronic means and then laid on another recorder could have any testimony worthy information is ludicrous.


47 posted on 06/22/2013 10:32:10 AM PDT by eddie willers
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To: SWAMPSNIPER; Revolting cat!

Maybe John Edwards can channel the spirit of Trayvon as he did in trial lawyer cases about dead children.


48 posted on 06/22/2013 10:34:58 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

With this ruling, I think it is in order for the defense to ask the court to dismiss the case for lack of evidence. Zimmerman would still be liable to prosecution should sufficient evidence ever be produced. But, really, it is not in the state’s interest or the Martin family’s interest to proceed to a trial and, thus protect Zimmerman from ever being tried again (b/c of double jeopardy), when the prosecution’s case is reduced to one person killed another person and when it is clear that there was a fight and there is no way to determine beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman either started the fight (and, so, would be guilty of something, perhaps assault) or didn’t fear for his life (and, so, was not acting in self defense when he killed Trayvon).


49 posted on 06/22/2013 10:35:03 AM PDT by Redmen4ever
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To: livius
The thing is that if she rules out these audio experts, I think she can also rule out the ones that supported Zimmerman. So who knows where this is going to go?

I was reading that there was at least one witness who heard Zimmerman screaming for help. "Audio expert" versus witness on the scene means "expert" loses.

50 posted on 06/22/2013 10:37:11 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
I suspect this is true. It probably failed a Daubert challenge.
51 posted on 06/22/2013 10:40:54 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

I feel guilty even commenting on this trial because this trial should NOT be national news and should not be a press feeding frenzy. This is a big story only because of its symbolic value for liberals, who want to use it to reinforce their AmeriKKKa world view. Even if Zimmerman is found guilty, it will probably be a manslaughter conviction, not first or second degree murder. Meanwhile, numerous black-on-white murders - some of them clearly racist in intent - receive virtually NO media attention.


52 posted on 06/22/2013 10:45:00 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: 17th Miss Regt

That’s an interesting analysis. Let’s “pretend” the Judge is actually an official member of the Prosecution (as opposed to the defacto member she is now).

She’s just been shown in no uncertain terms what the Defense intends to do if she calls her expert witnesses: Impeach them so thoroughly they’ll actually discredit the science of audiology. Worse, it’ll happen in front of the Jury. The damage to her case could be so severe her side could never recover, and real incriminating evidence will be brought into question as it’s being presented. Prosecutor Nelson has concluded she’d be a fool to put Owens and Reich on the stand and accept their findings.

/hypothetical


53 posted on 06/22/2013 10:46:44 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Rev. Al will be flummoxed. But then, he always sounds like he’s just been flummoxed.


54 posted on 06/22/2013 10:46:49 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: Izzy Dunne

**Were they named “Sharpton” and “Jackson” ?**

Speaking of — have we heard from the just us brothers yet?


55 posted on 06/22/2013 10:51:20 AM PDT by Heart of Georgia
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To: digger48
IIRC, the defense wants the tape to be heard...but I'm sure for the simple reason of showing that "someone" was screaming for help....and it makes absolutely no sense that Tray was screaming for help as we know that Tray was on top beating Zimmerman's head on the walk.

In other words, screaming was early evidence of Zimmerman's battle for his life.

56 posted on 06/22/2013 10:56:32 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: PapaBear3625

That’s true, but the ear-witness will be discredited. There was another expert analysis submitted by the defense that said definitively (and with much better sound analysis) that the voice was Zimmerman screaming for help, and I think this is what the judge wants to exclude.

I suspect that expert witness will be the next to be eliminated.


57 posted on 06/22/2013 10:57:16 AM PDT by livius
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

I wouldn’t call excluding imagined evidence “a major blow to the prosecution”, they still have mom and dad’s testimony if they want to use it. More like a major blow for justice and... yes... excellent news!


58 posted on 06/22/2013 10:57:36 AM PDT by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: quilterdebbie

The prosecution’s experts were claiming they could identify the screamer and hear things, defense’s experts were simply saying you can’t do that reliably, so excluding prosecution’s imaginary evidence eliminates need for both.


59 posted on 06/22/2013 11:01:34 AM PDT by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Trayvon could not be reached for comment.


60 posted on 06/22/2013 11:05:38 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( ==> sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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