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U.S. charges Snowden with espionage
WaPo ^ | 6/21/13 | Peter Finn and Sari Horwitz

Posted on 06/21/2013 3:22:17 PM PDT by Nachum

Federal prosecutors have filed a sealed criminal complaint against Edward Snowden, the former National Security Agency contractor who leaked a trove of documents about top-secret surveillance programs, and the United States has asked Hong Kong to detain him on a provisional arrest warrant, according to U.S. officials.

Snowden was charged with espionage, theft and conversion of government property, the officials said.

The complaint was filed in the Eastern District of Virginia, a jurisdiction where Snowden’s former employer, Booz Allen Hamilton, is headquartered, and a district with a long track record in prosecuting cases with national security implications.

A Justice Department spokeswoman declined to comment.

Snowden flew to Hong Kong last month after leaving his job at an NSA facility in Hawaii with a collection of highly classified documents that he acquired while working at the agency as a systems analyst.

The documents, some of which have been published in The Washington Post and Britain’s Guardian newspaper, detailed some of the most secret surveillance operations undertaken by the United States and the United Kingdom, as well as classified legal memos and court orders underpinning the programs in the United States.

The 29-year-old intelligence analyst revealed himself June 9 as the leaker in an interview with the Guardian and said he went to Hong Kong because it provided him the “cultural and legal framework to allow me to work without being immediately detained.”

Snowden subsequently disappeared from public view; it is thought that he is still in the Chinese territory. Hong Kong has its own legislative and legal systems but ultimately answers to Beijing, under the so-called “one country, two systems” arrangement.

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KEYWORDS: benghazi; castrating0bama; espionage; fastandfurious; impeachnow; irs; obamavoter; snowden; snowdenespionage
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1 posted on 06/21/2013 3:22:17 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, Ping

Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

http://www.nachumlist.com/


2 posted on 06/21/2013 3:22:36 PM PDT by Nachum (The Obama "List" at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

How ironic.


3 posted on 06/21/2013 3:24:00 PM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: Nachum

Let’s put it out in open court and see what happens.


4 posted on 06/21/2013 3:25:30 PM PDT by 22202NOVA (DoD civilian, retired Army. Furlough...the new "F" word.)
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To: Nachum

Why shouldn’t someone (Panetta?/Obama) be charged with leaking info that got Seal Team Six members murdered and got the Pakistani doc who helped get binladen jailed? That info was no less treasonous.


5 posted on 06/21/2013 3:27:15 PM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: Nachum

Espionage for the American people. Some Charge.


6 posted on 06/21/2013 3:29:18 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Nachum

Does the US government have more right to privacy than the US citizen has?


7 posted on 06/21/2013 3:29:42 PM PDT by Truth2012
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To: MestaMachine; maggief; thouworm; penelopesire; SE Mom; crosslink

Charges filed against snowden


8 posted on 06/21/2013 3:30:26 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then!)
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To: Nachum

Federal prosecutors have filed a sealed criminal complaint against Edward Snowden, Barak HUSSEIN Obama, Nancy Pelosi...

Oh, my imagination got the better of me. Please excuse that rant.


9 posted on 06/21/2013 3:30:44 PM PDT by Mark (Obama is more confused than a hungry baby in a topless bar)
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To: Nachum
Looks like Obama's NSA should be charged with violating the 4th amendment.

Russ Tice, a former intelligence analyst and Bush-era NSA whistleblower, claimed Wednesday that the intelligence community has ordered surveillance on a wide range of groups and individuals, including high-ranking military officials, lawmakers and diplomats.

10 posted on 06/21/2013 3:31:06 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Nachum

Aside from confirming that the Outlaw 0bama regime routinely violates everyone’s Fourth Amendment rights on a daily basis, precisely what else did Snowden reveal to prompt charges of espionage?


11 posted on 06/21/2013 3:31:24 PM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Jesus, Please Save America!)
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To: freedomfiter2
>How ironic.

No kidding!

Saudi mole charges US citizen with treason for exposing fascism.

12 posted on 06/21/2013 3:33:28 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall With no one to raise him up; And I will set)
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To: Nachum
 photo obamaSnoop.jpg
14 posted on 06/21/2013 3:38:08 PM PDT by SparkyBass
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To: Nachum
filed a sealed criminal complaint

So we aren't even allowed to know what they're charging him with?

Snowden was charged with espionage, theft and conversion of government property, the officials said.

The "officials" don't have names? I don't take anything the government says. Maybe they charged them with espionage, maybe not.

15 posted on 06/21/2013 3:38:52 PM PDT by DManA
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To: Nachum

I hope he (Snowden) tapped into Hillary and Barack’s stext messages and photos.


16 posted on 06/21/2013 3:39:32 PM PDT by Robert Lomax
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To: Truth2012

You better believe the government thinks it has a greater right to privacy than any individual. Not only that, they have the law enforcement officers and the lawyers to back up that assertion.

When the government no longer fears its citizens, the citizens have become subjects, worthy only of being studied like a bug mounted on a pin, up on a board.

Liberty for all is a principle very much in peril, and there isn’t all that much liberty even for the few.


17 posted on 06/21/2013 3:39:33 PM PDT by alloysteel (Unattended children will be given a Red Bull and a free Kazoo. Reminds me of Congress...)
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To: Nachum

This is why he went to Hong Kong—not because he was spying for China (or anyone else) but so that he might have a chance of not being handed over to the criminal U.S. government.

Hopefully Hong Kong won’t turn him over.


18 posted on 06/21/2013 3:39:48 PM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: Nachum

I don’t buy that the NSA does not know exactly where Snowden is at any given minute, there was no shocking news revealed. Anyone who did not know the Govt. was tracking citizens has been not paying attention since the time before the patriot act was first discussed.


19 posted on 06/21/2013 3:42:31 PM PDT by swamprebel (a Constitution once changed from Freedom, can never be restored.)
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To: sergeantdave
If Republicans can find two brain cells to rub together, they would pass legislation making it a crime to hack Internet accounts. And announce it loud and clear with a news conference on the capital steps. It would make democrats the bad guys and destroy the party.

That ain't gonna happen. The Republicans hate Snowden just as much as the Democrats do.

Buckwheat is toast.

There is no office left for President Obama to run for, so what do his approval ratings matter now?

20 posted on 06/21/2013 3:44:48 PM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: The Sons of Liberty
Aside from confirming that the Outlaw 0bama regime routinely violates everyone’s Fourth Amendment rights on a daily basis, precisely what else did Snowden reveal to prompt charges of espionage?

It was not what Snowden revealed that prompted the charge of "espionage;" it was where he went. Up until now the regime (both Democrats and Republicans) have been floating the word "traitor." Since that's not sticking, and since Snowden went to a not-so-friendly nation, the regime is hoping to make a "spy" out of him.

21 posted on 06/21/2013 3:51:46 PM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: freedomfiter2
How ironic.

It's a thin line between irony and hypocrisy.

Whatever it is, we're drowning in it these days.

22 posted on 06/21/2013 3:54:15 PM PDT by schm0e ("we are in the midst of a coup.")
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To: Nachum
Your move Edward! Earlier in the week there were 3rd party rumours about arranging a trip to Iceland...


23 posted on 06/21/2013 3:55:26 PM PDT by drewh
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To: Nachum

Well, it will take the BS immigration bill off the front pages.


24 posted on 06/21/2013 3:58:08 PM PDT by svcw (If you are dead when your heart stops, why aren't you alive when it starts.)
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To: .30Carbine

“That ain’t gonna happen. The Republicans hate Snowden just as much as the Democrats do.”

People like you and me have to plant the seed that traitors will be punished for violating their oath and stealing our liberty. If not us, who?


25 posted on 06/21/2013 3:58:40 PM PDT by sergeantdave (No, I don't have links for everything I post)
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To: sergeantdave
Buckwheat is toast.

What difference does it make now? The P.O.S. can't run again anyway. And that is exactly why he is doing what he is doing.

BECAUSE WE LET HIM GET AWAY WITH IT!

26 posted on 06/21/2013 3:59:40 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: Nachum
Federal prosecutors have filed a sealed criminal complaint against Edward Snowden,

It seems like almost everything the government does is sealed or top secret. Does everything involve national security?

27 posted on 06/21/2013 4:07:24 PM PDT by oldbrowser (We have a rogue government in Washington)
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To: DManA

Snowden was charged with Espionage

* ‘theft’.. and... ‘conversion... of... ‘government property’

The act of securing information of a military or political nature that a competing nation holds secret..... It can involve the ‘analysis of diplomatic reports’,... publications,... statistics,... and broadcasts,... as well as spying,...

.... a clandestine activity carried out by an individual or individuals working under secret identity to gather classified information on behalf of another entity or nation.

They know Snowden wasn’t working alone now.


28 posted on 06/21/2013 4:08:51 PM PDT by caww
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To: oldbrowser

It seems like almost everything the government does is sealed or top secret. Does everything involve national security?


I think I’ll start using that excuse when I feel like playing with telemarketers. “I’m sorry I cannot discuss your product with you or give you any info. It is a matter of national security.” Or here, “I’m sorry officer. I cannot share my license with you. It’s a matter of national security.”


29 posted on 06/21/2013 4:11:19 PM PDT by MWestMom (Psalms 109:8)
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To: .30Carbine

There’s “hole” China can get thru over Hong Kong’s authority if they choose to extradite Snowden.

However...some billionare has offered his private airplane to wisk him to Iceland if he wants to go....penidng their Gov. accepting him.

He has to be on ‘IN’ Iceland to claim asylum.


30 posted on 06/21/2013 4:12:03 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

I guess they didn’t seal that complaint very well.


31 posted on 06/21/2013 4:13:52 PM PDT by DManA
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To: Nachum

>> Friday night news dump

He would have been charged sooner, but public support for Snowden was too strong.

Snowden had to be charged regardless of the merits of his actions. There should be a public Congressional hearing that exposes the laws and funding that drives the controversial activity. Snowden and the NSA are the products of programs established and funded by those elected to represent the citizens allegedly being spied on.


32 posted on 06/21/2013 4:21:55 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Nachum

If Snowden has half a brain, by the time the Guardian Hong Kong interview aired, he was already long gone. If he truly does want to go to Iceland, the hubbub about him going there should not even start until he is already safely there.

You figure that the aircraft they think with him on board would be shadowed by two F-16s, and perhaps forced to land. But imagine the surprise if he is not on board. And there are US federal marshals dogging his footsteps.

Since Iceland has been mentioned, that is the last place he should go. Instead everybody assisting him should think he is heading in a different direction, so if they are overheard or intercepted, they will just start a wild goose chase.


33 posted on 06/21/2013 4:22:11 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: unixfox

“What difference does it make now?”

We, you, me and others, need to make it clear to these traitors that there will be consequences to their treachery. If we don’t do it, who will?

We need to organize locally and throw out all the leftists in our local communities. Some in the Tea Party take pride in the fact that we have no leaders, no command structure and no organized plan. That’s stupid as hell. It’s time to get organized and start kicking ass .


34 posted on 06/21/2013 4:22:41 PM PDT by sergeantdave (No, I don't have links for everything I post)
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To: .30Carbine
so what do his approval ratings matter now?

His second term plan is to retake the House in 2014 and ram through the rest of his ultra-liberal agenda. He was going to do that by blaming Republicans for everything and drive their numbers down and his and the Dems up. His plan is seriously off track right now.

35 posted on 06/21/2013 4:23:23 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: hoosiermama

An Icelandic businessman linked to the anti-secrecy group WikiLeaks said on ‘Thursday’ he had readied a private plane in China to fly Snowden to Iceland if Iceland’s government would grant asylum.

Iceland refused ‘on Friday’ to say whether it would grant asylum to Snowden.


36 posted on 06/21/2013 4:26:02 PM PDT by caww
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To: Nachum

...”New information discovered by Reuters about Snowden’s employment record, online postings and education comes as U.S. lawmakers grill intelligence officials about how a 29-year-old high school dropout managed to gain access to such top secrets as the NSA’s electronic surveillance programs.

According to sources briefed on the matter, Snowden was EMPLOYED BY AN UNIDENTIFIED CLASSIFIED AGENCY IN WASHINGTON from 2005 to mid-2006, by the CIA from 2006 to 2009, when he primarily worked overseas, and by Dell Inc from 2009 to 2013, when he worked in the United States and Japan as an NSA contractor....

...One of his postings, however, dealt with the now familiar issue of corporate compliance with government eavesdropping programs. On February 4, 2010, while working for Dell, Snowden commented on a discussion about a major technology company that allegedly was giving the U.S. government access to its computer servers.

“It really concerns me how little this sort of corporate behavior bothers those outside of technology circles,” Snowden wrote. “Society really seems to have developed an unquestioning obedience towards spooky types.””
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/14/us-usa-security-snowden-online-idUSBRE95D02320130614

I still want to know why they hired this person with so little education. I know some people here excuse it because he was a computer nerd but I know many computer experts who’d have loved that job.

If it’s a classifed agency how come this guy knew about it. Where did he hear about it? This guy is also a “gamer” - “An avid gamer, he posted on the ethics of video game piracy in 2003”... not unlike Stephenson-Benghazi who was also an avid gamer. Can’t get my head around what’s really going on but it sure smells.


37 posted on 06/21/2013 4:33:07 PM PDT by bronxville (Margaret Sanger - “We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population,)
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To: bronxville

Scrub the “classifed agency” stuff as I misinterpretated the meaning.


38 posted on 06/21/2013 4:35:35 PM PDT by bronxville (Margaret Sanger - “We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population,)
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39 posted on 06/21/2013 4:44:41 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: bronxville

I still want to know why they hired this person with so little education. I know some people here excuse it because he was a computer nerd but I know many computer experts who’d have loved that job.

___________________________

Why on earth are you focusing on this non-issue. Mark Steyn and Limbaugh did not go to college.

Probably the fact that he wasn’t brainwashed in college is why he was able to tell right from wrong and thing out of the box. He wasn’t a slave.

Education has nothing to do with ethics.


40 posted on 06/21/2013 4:45:52 PM PDT by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed " people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: Nachum

I really don’t fault him for fleeing, but it is impossible for me to believe he could step foot in communist China without the government t seizing the Intel.


41 posted on 06/21/2013 4:53:15 PM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: Chickensoup; bronxville
Why on earth are you focusing on this non-issue. Mark Steyn and Limbaugh did not go to college.

Scott Walker didn't finish college. Should we write him off too?

42 posted on 06/21/2013 4:54:20 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: bronxville

Correction: Smith - Benghazi was the online gamer and not Stephenson.

CIA website and FBI hacked by LulzSec

From gaming to national security
By Marc Chacksfield June 16th 2011

Hacking collective LulzSec has decided to stop giving online gaming sites a hard time and instead put its efforts into taking down the CIA’s website and the FBI’s phone network.

Yesterday the group managed to DDoS the CIA’s homepage and along with it the FBI’s phone network in Detroit.

As per usual LulzSec kept everyone updated with its hacking shenanigans on Twitter, posting on the site: “Tango down – CIA.Gov- for the lulz.”.

According to reports, it wasn’t just the CIA and the FBI, either - the US Senate’s website was also a target, but the group failed to compromise the site.

Love hack

LulzSec has been extremely busy over the last few weeks, but it has mostly targeted gaming sites. Its Titanic Takeover Tuesday campaign saw the group hack into EVE ONLINE, Minecraft, League of Legends and FinFisher.

Even though LulzSec seems to be infiltrating websites just to show how poor the security is, this latest wave of hacks will have the US government keeping more than a close eye on it.
http://www.techradar.com/news/internet/cia-website-and-fbi-hacked-by-lulzsec-966715

Eve online is where Smith-Benghazi spent a lot of his time. Why is Lulz targeting these specific gaming sites? Do they think or know that they’re be CIA sites?


43 posted on 06/21/2013 4:56:41 PM PDT by bronxville (Margaret Sanger - “We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population,)
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To: swamprebel

They know where he is. They can’t “do” anything about him yet because with the intense media focus and pro-whistleblower sentiment, it would sink them further into the negative.


44 posted on 06/21/2013 4:57:09 PM PDT by Sender (It's never too late to be what you might have been.)
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To: sergeantdave

” pass legislation making it a crime to hack Internet accounts”

I’m pretty sure that is already a crime.


45 posted on 06/21/2013 5:01:25 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (President Obama; The Slumlord of the Rentseekers)
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To: Nachum

When will people in the NSA be charged with ILLEGALLY spying on the American people?


46 posted on 06/21/2013 5:01:55 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Nachum

Yet they allowed Chinese into Langley and did not monitor them, resulting in smuggling of info.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2998453/posts

Posted on March 19, 2013 12:42:57 PM EDT by Nachum

On Tuesday’s “Mornings on the Mall” on WMAL-FM in Washington DC, Rep. Frank Wolf (R-VA) revealed that it was the Obama Administration that allowed hundreds of Chinese nationals to work in a sensitive area of NASA’s Langley Research Center. One of the nationals was arrested Monday at Dulles airport as he was trying to leave the country when he failed to disclose all of the electronics he was taking with him.


47 posted on 06/21/2013 5:02:11 PM PDT by HollyB
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To: DManA

so a secret program with secret courts, with secret judges who only hears one side of the case who also uses secret drones and then a secret charge.

Yep that is really open and we’re supposed to trust this out of control party spying Govt


48 posted on 06/21/2013 5:05:46 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Jean S; Chickensoup

Scott Walker was elected by the people. Mark Steyn and Rush Limbaugh were hired by private companies. My father was a self-made man w/ no degrees as were many others in my family. This guy was hired into a government job aka unions who require degrees. IMO, it’s significant. What or who were his contacts inside? And how many others were hired the same way. And this guy didn’t act alone.


49 posted on 06/21/2013 5:05:55 PM PDT by bronxville (Margaret Sanger - “We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population,)
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To: bronxville

who cares about him, it’s what he said what is more dangerous and damaging.

Pointing at him will only take the real issue off the front pages which Obama wants


50 posted on 06/21/2013 5:07:50 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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