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Breaking: House passes nationwide 20-week ban on abortion (includes full roll call vote)
Life Site News ^ | June 18, 2013 | BEN JOHNSON

Posted on 06/18/2013 6:20:23 PM PDT by NYer

WASHINGTON, D.C., June 18, 2013 (LifeSiteNews.com) – The House of Representatives has passed a bill that would restrict all abortions nationwide to the first 20 weeks of pregnancy.

The “Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act” (H.R. 1797), introduced by Arizona Republica Trent Franks, would end abortion after a point that scientists agree unborn children can feel pain.

In a nearly party-line vote, the measure passed 228-196.

Six Democrats voted yes. Six Republicans voted against the bill. Ten Congressmen did not vote. The full roll call, showing how every Congressman voted, is below.

Democrats who voted yes include: Henry Cuellar of Texas, Dan Lipinski of Illinois, Jim Matheson of Utah, Mike McIntyre of North Carolina, Collin Peterson of Minnesota, and Nick Rahall of West Virginia.

Republicans who voted against the bill include Rep. Paul Broun of Georgia, Charlie Dent of Pennsylvania, Rodney Frelinghuysen of New Jersey, Richard Hanna of New York, Jon Runyan of New Jersey, and Rob Woodall of Georgia.

"Passage of today's landmark bill marks the first time in history, in either chamber of the U.S. Congress, that affirmative protection has been extended to unborn children,” said Franks. “It is my prayer that today also marks a day when America finally opens her eyes to the humanity of these little victims and the inhumanity of what is being done to them."

Others in the pro-lifemovement expressed their joy at the bill's passage.

“This vote makes a statement in favor of life even though the Dem[ocrat]-controlled Senate likely won't move on it,” said Cheryl Sullenger, senior policy advisor for Operation Rescue. “Getting this far was a big deal.”

The act's future is uncertain, as it lacks a companion in the Senate, and President Obama has threatened to veto it if the measure ever reaches his desk.

If the bill becomes law, abortionists who perform late-term abortions may face a fine or up to five years in prison.

The legislation would affect the 300 abortionists who perform abortions after 20 weeks post-fertilization and an estimated 140 abortion providers who are willing to perform abortions at 24 weeks or later, according to a 2008 report from the Guttmacher Institute.

Some in the pro-life movement were outraged after House Majority Leader Eric Cantor of Virginia added amendment allowing abortion in the cases of duly reported rape or incest, a change he made bowing to a media feeding frenzy over Franks' remarks about abortion and rape – remarks he says were misinterpreted.

The bill already allowed abortions to save the mother's life.

Georgia Right to Life rescinded its previous support of the bill, saying it had been “hijacked.”

“Sadly, the politics of compromise has decided that one class of children—those conceived by rape or incest—do not deserve protection from the agony of literally being ripped apart.,” said GRTL President Dan Becker.

Georgia Congressmen Paul Broun and Rob Woodall were two of the six Republicans to vote nay.

Most of the nation's pro-life groups strongly supported the incremental measure as an improvement over existing policy. Douglas Johnson, legislative director of the National Right to Life Committee, said, "Any lawmaker who votes to allow unlimited abortion in the sixth month or later is voting to encourage a continuation of the horrors associated with the likes of Kermit Gosnell."

Cantor also scheduled Rep. Marsha Blackburn, R-TN, to manage today's vote instead of Franks – something Democrats seized upon during the debate.

Rep. Jan Schakowsky of Illinois, who has strong ties to the Democratic Socialists of America, was among those who drew attention to the fact that there are no Republican women on the House Judiciary Committee, which passed the bill last Wednesday.

“Do you think it's fair or proper for a body of men to solely determine one of the most important and private decisions a woman can make in regard to her own health and body?” she asked.

Democrats appeared eager to change the subject from the bill's purpose – ending the practice of late-term abortions that led to the abuses of Kermit Gosnell and others – to their familiar “War on Women” rhetoric.

President Obama issued a statement yesterday saying he“strongly opposes” the bill, which he said presents a direct challenge to Roe v. Wade and shows contempt for women's health and rights, the role doctors play in their patients' health care decisions, and the Constitution.”

Democrats shared his talking points in the hours prior to the vote.

“The bill is a direct threat to the privacy rights and health of every woman living in this country, and especially women of color,” said Rep. Barbara Lee, D-CA. She said minority members suffered even more “due to the terrible Hyde Amendment,” which forbids taxpayer funding of abortion.

Lee was the only member of Congress who did not vote to authorize force against the Taliban following 9/11.  

The full roll call vote is as follows:

---- YEAS 228 ---

Aderholt
Alexander
Amash
Amodei
Bachmann
Bachus
Barletta
Barr
Barton
Benishek
Bentivolio
Bilirakis
Bishop (UT)
Black
Blackburn
Boustany
Brady (TX)
Bridenstine
Brooks (AL)
Brooks (IN)
Buchanan
Bucshon
Burgess
Calvert
Camp
Cantor
Capito
Carter
Cassidy
Chabot
Chaffetz
Coble
Coffman
Cole
Collins (GA)
Collins (NY)
Conaway
Cook
Cotton
Cramer
Crawford
Crenshaw
Cuellar
Culberson
Daines
Davis, Rodney
Denham
DeSantis
DesJarlais
Diaz-Balart
Duffy
Duncan (SC)
Duncan (TN)
Ellmers
Farenthold
Fincher
Fitzpatrick
Fleischmann
Fleming
Flores
Forbes
Fortenberry
Foxx
Franks (AZ)
Gardner
Garrett
Gerlach
Gibbs
Gibson
Gingrey (GA)
Gohmert
Goodlatte
Gosar
Gowdy
Granger
Graves (GA)

Graves (MO)
Griffin (AR)
Griffith (VA)
Grimm
Guthrie
Hall
Harper
Harris
Hartzler
Hastings (WA)
Heck (NV)
Hensarling
Herrera Beutler
Holding
Hudson
Huelskamp
Huizenga (MI)
Hultgren
Hurt
Issa
Jenkins
Johnson (OH)
Johnson, Sam
Jones
Jordan
Joyce
Kelly (PA)
King (IA)
King (NY)
Kingston
Kinzinger (IL)
Kline
Labrador
LaMalfa
Lamborn
Lance
Lankford
Latham
Latta
Lipinski
LoBiondo
Long
Lucas
Luetkemeyer
Lummis
Marchant
Marino
Massie
Matheson
McCarthy (CA)
McCaul
McClintock
McHenry
McIntyre
McKeon
McKinley
McMorris Rodgers
Meadows
Meehan
Messer
Mica
Miller (FL)
Miller (MI)
Miller, Gary
Mullin
Mulvaney
Murphy (PA)
Neugebauer
Noem
Nugent
Nunes
Nunnelee
Olson
Palazzo
Paulsen
Pearce

Perry
Peterson
Petri
Pittenger
Pitts
Poe (TX)
Pompeo
Posey
Price (GA)
Radel
Rahall
Reed
Reichert
Renacci
Ribble
Rice (SC)
Rigell
Roby
Roe (TN)
Rogers (AL)
Rogers (MI)
Rohrabacher
Rokita
Rooney
Ros-Lehtinen
Roskam
Ross
Rothfus
Royce
Ryan (WI)
Salmon
Sanford
Scalise
Schweikert
Scott, Austin
Sensenbrenner
Sessions
Shimkus
Shuster
Simpson
Smith (MO)
Smith (NE)
Smith (NJ)
Smith (TX)
Southerland
Stewart
Stivers
Stockman
Stutzman
Terry
Thompson (PA)
Thornberry
Tiberi
Tipton
Turner
Upton
Valadao
Wagner
Walberg
Walden
Walorski
Weber (TX)
Webster (FL)
Wenstrup
Westmoreland
Whitfield
Williams
Wilson (SC)
Wittman
Wolf
Womack
Yoder
Yoho
Young (AK)
Young (FL)
Young (IN)

 

---- NAYS 196 ---

 

Andrews
Barber
Barrow (GA)
Bass
Beatty
Becerra
Bera (CA)
Bishop (GA)
Bishop (NY)
Blumenauer
Bonamici
Brady (PA)
Braley (IA)
Broun (GA)
Brown (FL)
Brownley (CA)
Bustos
Butterfield
Capps
Capuano
Cárdenas
Carney
Carson (IN)
Cartwright
Castor (FL)
Castro (TX)
Chu
Cicilline
Clarke
Clay
Cleaver
Clyburn
Cohen
Connolly
Conyers
Cooper
Costa
Courtney
Crowley
Cummings
Davis (CA)
Davis, Danny
DeFazio
DeGette
Delaney
DeLauro
DelBene
Dent
Deutch
Dingell
Doggett
Doyle
Duckworth
Edwards
Ellison
Engel
Enyart
Eshoo
Esty
Farr
Fattah
Foster
Frankel (FL)
Frelinghuysen
Fudge
Gabbard

Gallego
Garamendi
Garcia
Grayson
Green, Al
Green, Gene
Grijalva
Gutierrez
Hahn
Hanabusa
Hanna
Hastings (FL)
Heck (WA)
Higgins
Himes
Hinojosa
Holt
Honda
Horsford
Hoyer
Huffman
Israel
Jackson Lee
Jeffries
Johnson (GA)
Johnson, E. B.
Kaptur
Keating
Kelly (IL)
Kennedy
Kildee
Kilmer
Kind
Kirkpatrick
Kuster
Langevin
Larson (CT)
Lee (CA)
Levin
Lewis
Loebsack
Lofgren
Lowenthal
Lowey
Lujan Grisham (NM)
Luján, Ben Ray (NM)
Lynch
Maffei
Maloney, Carolyn
Maloney, Sean
Matsui
McCollum
McDermott
McGovern
McNerney
Meeks
Meng
Michaud
Miller, George
Moore
Moran
Murphy (FL)
Nadler
Napolitano
Neal
Negrete McLeod

Nolan
O'Rourke
Owens
Pallone
Pastor (AZ)
Payne
Pelosi
Perlmutter
Peters (CA)
Peters (MI)
Pingree (ME)
Pocan
Polis
Price (NC)
Quigley
Rangel
Richmond
Roybal-Allard
Ruiz
Runyan
Ruppersberger
Rush
Ryan (OH)
Sánchez, Linda T.
Sanchez, Loretta
Sarbanes
Schakowsky
Schiff
Schneider
Schrader
Schwartz
Scott (VA)
Scott, David
Serrano
Sewell (AL)
Shea-Porter
Sherman
Sinema
Sires
Slaughter
Smith (WA)
Speier
Swalwell (CA)
Takano
Thompson (CA)
Thompson (MS)
Tierney
Titus
Tonko
Tsongas
Van Hollen
Vargas
Veasey
Vela
Velázquez
Visclosky
Walz
Wasserman Schultz
Waters
Watt
Waxman
Welch
Wilson (FL)
Woodall

 

---- NOT VOTING    10 ---

 

Bonner
Campbell
Hunter
Larsen (WA)
Markey
McCarthy (NY)
Pascrell
Rogers (KY)
Schock
Yarmuth


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: 113th; abortion; deathpanels; lateterm; moralabsolutes; obamacare; prolife; zerocare
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1 posted on 06/18/2013 6:20:23 PM PDT by NYer
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To: wagglebee; little jeremiah; narses

Ping!


2 posted on 06/18/2013 6:20:56 PM PDT by NYer ( "Run from places of sin as from the plague."--St John Climacus)
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To: NYer

Article sub-titled: “Democrats and Women’s Libbers all Across the United States Chew Their Own Arms Off and Spit Blood.”


3 posted on 06/18/2013 6:22:45 PM PDT by Jack Hammer (American)
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To: NYer
Charlie Dent of Pennsylvania

Another RINO from PA that needs to be abused. (Not my congresscritter tho, that would be freshman, Scott Perry ... still need to see how he works out.)

4 posted on 06/18/2013 6:25:50 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe - Shall not be questioned)
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To: NYer
Twenty weeks, nearly five months...

Boy are they ever (brave) adventurous.

http://www.babycenter.com/fetal-development-images-20-weeks

5 posted on 06/18/2013 6:29:15 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Speaker John Boehner (R) no (D) no (R)... has more waffles than IHOP.)
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To: NYer

per the feminists question, damn right yes. wonenhave no problem doing it for men or anyone else.


6 posted on 06/18/2013 6:30:55 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: NYer; All

We must be approaching an election year. While pro-life advocates understandably appreciate this bill which limits abortions, it remains that the states have never delegated to Congress via the Constitution the specific power to regulate either abortion or healthcare. So I think that the Houses’s bill is just pre-election year noise that incumbents are hoping will win a few conservative votes for them in 2014.


7 posted on 06/18/2013 6:36:40 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: NYer

Progress. Still too much opportunity for child sacrifice/murder.


8 posted on 06/18/2013 6:38:24 PM PDT by SisterK (front row seats to the Great Tribulation, booking now)
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To: NYer

I see my so-called congressman (Yarmuth - RAT) didn’t vote. He was too busy at the ground breaking for the Ohio River Bridges project which he fought and delayed for the last 20 years and now wants everyone to believe he has always supported.


9 posted on 06/18/2013 7:03:50 PM PDT by anoldafvet
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks NYer.
Democrats who voted yes include: Henry Cuellar of Texas, Dan Lipinski of Illinois, Jim Matheson of Utah, Mike McIntyre of North Carolina, Collin Peterson of Minnesota, and Nick Rahall of West Virginia. Republicans who voted against the bill include Rep. Paul Broun of Georgia, Charlie Dent of Pennsylvania, Rodney Frelinghuysen of New Jersey, Richard Hanna of New York, Jon Runyan of New Jersey, and Rob Woodall of Georgia.

10 posted on 06/18/2013 7:13:34 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: NYer

Republicans who voted against the bill include Rep. Paul Broun of Georgia, Charlie Dent of Pennsylvania, Rodney Frelinghuysen of New Jersey, Richard Hanna of New York, Jon Runyan of New Jersey, and Rob Woodall of Georgia.

Remember those names folks, They are baby-killers.


11 posted on 06/18/2013 7:15:43 PM PDT by Venturer
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Democrats for Life is a joke.
A real failure to elect any “pro-life DEMs” who aren’t worthless. Michaud-ME, Lynch-MA, Langevin-RI

and many DEMS from the heartland.

Hanna R-NY upstate ‘no’. Should be purged.


12 posted on 06/18/2013 7:21:58 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (we're the Beatniks now)
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To: NYer

What’s with RINO John Bohner “Not Voting”??????


13 posted on 06/18/2013 7:30:44 PM PDT by G Larry (Let his days be few; and let another take his office. Psalms 109:8)
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To: G Larry

that is bonner of Alabama


14 posted on 06/18/2013 7:33:39 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (we're the Beatniks now)
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To: G Larry

Typically the Speaker doesn’t vote.


15 posted on 06/18/2013 7:42:22 PM PDT by scrabblehack
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To: Amendment10

Abortion is murder. Do you think states should have the right, under the 10th amendment, to legalize murder of those already born? Or just those not born yet?


16 posted on 06/18/2013 8:03:15 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: SunkenCiv
Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and New York... Pro-abort states... They want babies to feel maximum pain.

Minnesota, North Carolina, Utah, West Virginia... Pro-life (if some are Democratic) states...

No surprises here.

The surprise is... Georgia...

17 posted on 06/18/2013 8:04:59 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: NYer; 185JHP; 230FMJ; AKA Elena; APatientMan; Albion Wilde; Aleighanne; Alexander Rubin; ...
Moral Absolutes Ping!

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The Senate needs to be cleaned out. Lysol, a high colonic, roto-rooter, something. Why is it such a cesspool? Apparently there is no companion bill for the Senate. The majority of Americans do not want abortion legal past the 5th month - about 2 to 1.

Anyone wanting on/off any of my ping lists, freepmail me.

18 posted on 06/18/2013 8:06:16 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: campaignPete R-CT

Obamacare emasculated Democrats for Life, sadly. Their heavy hitters were all purged in 2010 as a result.


19 posted on 06/18/2013 8:07:00 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: Lexinom

“Georgia Right to Life rescinded its previous support of the bill”


20 posted on 06/18/2013 8:07:10 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (we're the Beatniks now)
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To: campaignPete R-CT
Ah, thank you for pointing that out. Yes, I see it there in the article, and knew there must be a rational explanation.

Still... if we can save 95% or 0%... which is better?

21 posted on 06/18/2013 8:09:57 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: NYer
Collin Peterson of Minnesota

...knows he's in for a very tough re-election fight due to having voted for DeathCare. He's vulnerable.

22 posted on 06/18/2013 8:10:07 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Blather. Reince. Repeat.)
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To: NYer

Well, that’ll stir up the ants.

{ Waving to the the ANThropomorphized termites in the peanut gallery }


23 posted on 06/18/2013 8:10:58 PM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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To: Lexinom

“if we can save 95% or 0%” of pro-lifers from becoming morons ... which is better?

I’m waiting for Judie Brown to issue a scathing attack on the Congressmen who voted ‘yes’.


24 posted on 06/18/2013 8:20:02 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (we're the Beatniks now)
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To: TArcher
Who are the ants and who are the termites?
25 posted on 06/18/2013 8:24:10 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: campaignPete R-CT

Explain, please.


26 posted on 06/18/2013 8:25:00 PM PDT by Lexinom
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JUDIE BROWN already attacking this bill 7 1/2 years ago:
Sen. Sam Brownback (R-Kansas), with the encouragement of some national pro-life groups, introduced the bill (S.51) in the Senate last week. “Pro-lifers need to wake up and recognize that the more we concede, the further we are from really saving women and children from the tragedy of abortion,” said Brown. “Abortion is a violent act that must never be condoned, supported, promoted or excused. Because of this undeniable truth, American Life League cannot favor such a flawed concept as the one that is represented in the Unborn Child Pain Awareness Act.”

God save us from the A.L.L. morons.
http://www.all.org/article/index/id/NDk5/


27 posted on 06/18/2013 8:26:20 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (we're the Beatniks now)
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To: little jeremiah
Do you think states should have the right, under the 10th amendment, ....

Actually, it's the Fed that doesn't have that authority under the 10th Amendment. The Constitution is silent on abortion, and so should be the Federal Government.

Don't like the Constitution??? Change it.
28 posted on 06/18/2013 8:33:21 PM PDT by rottndog ('Live Free Or Die' Ain't just words on a bumber sticker...or a tagline.)
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To: NYer

This vote will mean nothing as far a law getting passed but it will provide an emotional “wedge issue” to keep Pro-Life supporters loyal to the GOP.

Voter guides will be published describing all those who voted for this as “Pro-Life” yet most abortions occur in the first 12 weeks of pregnancy.

In the past, the Pro-Life voter guides distributed at election time by the National Right To Life and its affiliates would describe someone who wanted abortion legal early in a pregnancy when 90 percent plus of them occur as “Pro-Abortion”.

Next year those who believe abortion should be legal early in pregnancy and are Pro-Abortion but voted for this will get “Pro-Life” labels put on them by the National Right To Life which has become a tool of the GOP Establishment.


29 posted on 06/18/2013 8:50:56 PM PDT by Nextrush (A BALANCED BUDGET NOW AND PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN ARE AT THE TOP OF MY LIST)
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To: Lexinom
>>Who are the ants and who are the termites?
 
Good question.  Observe that in both species the majority of members are asexual disposable workers and only the Royalty is allowed to directly reproduce.
 
This is the social model that is self-evident in Postgenderist/Transhumanist doctrine and the occult abomination of nature therein -- where we "breeders" are just an inconvenience to be tolerated until the Übertermites can perfect their frankenscience.

{ isn't that right peanuts? }

30 posted on 06/18/2013 8:51:29 PM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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To: NYer

Immoral, unconstitutional, lawless legislation.


31 posted on 06/18/2013 8:53:21 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (John Boehner and the Republican Party: A wholly-owned subsidiary of Democrats, Inc.)
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To: ConservativeInPA

Perry has a good image with his military service and promotes himself as a Patriot but I knew him as a loyal party man supporting the machine early in his political life.

He also backed away from supporting an ultrasound before an abortion bill in the state legislature that Pro-Abortion people were crying foul over.

That led to meetings with Pro-Life people to reassure them he was Pro-Life.

But in the early days Perry was loyal lieutenant of both the party chairman in York County (the late John Thompson Sr.) and former State Rep. Bruce Smith who Perry replaced in 2007.

Both those guys were hardcore Pro-Abortion.


32 posted on 06/18/2013 8:56:50 PM PDT by Nextrush (A BALANCED BUDGET NOW AND PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN ARE AT THE TOP OF MY LIST)
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To: Nextrush; Lexinom

by golly, maybe Nextrush is right. All the Representatives who voted ‘yes’ on this bill need to be defeated in 2014.

Make sense, Lex?


33 posted on 06/18/2013 8:57:15 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (we're the Beatniks now)
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To: Amendment10

You are dead on.

This is a Karl Rove “wedge issue” to keep the religious conservative voters on the GOP plantation.


34 posted on 06/18/2013 8:58:11 PM PDT by Nextrush (A BALANCED BUDGET NOW AND PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN ARE AT THE TOP OF MY LIST)
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To: rottndog
The Constitution is silent on abortion, and so should be the Federal Government. Don't like the Constitution??? Change it.

The Constitution imperatively, explicitly, requires the equal protection of the right to life of every person. No exceptions.

"No person shall be deprived of life without due process of law."

"No State shall deprive any person of life without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

And its ultimate stated purpose is "to secure the Blessings of Liberty to Posterity."

pos·ter·i·ty
/päˈsteritē/

Noun
All future generations.

Synonyms
progeny - issue - offspring

Don't like the Constitution??? Change it.

35 posted on 06/18/2013 9:02:26 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (John Boehner and the Republican Party: A wholly-owned subsidiary of Democrats, Inc.)
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To: rottndog

Abortion is covered under the rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Abortion is depriving a human being of life without due process. So it IS covered.


36 posted on 06/18/2013 9:22:16 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Impy; fieldmarshaldj; Perdogg; Clintonfatigued; AuH2ORepublican; BillyBoy

over here on the “pro-life legislation passed today” thread


37 posted on 06/18/2013 9:22:45 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (we're the Beatniks now)
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To: little jeremiah; All
Do you think states should have the right, under the 10th amendment, to legalize murder of those already born? Or just those not born yet?

Abortion is murder. But as evidenced by my previous post, I don't think that conservatives in Congress are serious about the bill, incumbents just using it to win votes for 2014 imo. If it passes the Senate then please send me a note.

Regarding the murder of those already born, and with all due respect to family and supporters of the late Terry Schiavo, the Supreme Court properly regarded her euthenasia as a state power issue imo. But as a consequence of probably not understanding 10th Amendment protected state sovereignty, I would be surprized if Florida voters have worked with their state's lawmakers to make Florida's life & death laws more compassionate for people like Terri.

Again, one of the main reasons that we are having problems with tyrannical federal and state governments is because low-information voters are not aware of the Founding States' division of federal and state government powers evidenced by the Constitution's Section 8 of Article I, Article V and the 10th Amendment.

38 posted on 06/18/2013 9:29:29 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: campaignPete R-CT; fieldmarshaldj; BillyBoy; AuH2ORepublican; randita; Viennacon; GeronL; ...

Jim Matheson voted “AYE”, someone is ascared. Unless I was mistaken in thinking him ‘pro-choice’.

“Republicans who voted against the bill include Rep. Paul Broun of Georgia, Charlie Dent of Pennsylvania, Rodney Frelinghuysen of New Jersey, Richard Hanna of New York, Jon Runyan of New Jersey, and Rob Woodall of Georgia.”

What’s up with those GA libertarians? Broun is running for the Senate.

Spurs choked, the LeBums are gonna win.


39 posted on 06/18/2013 9:45:46 PM PDT by Impy (All in favor of Harry Reid meeting Mr. Mayhem?)
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To: campaignPete R-CT

I don’t know. I haven’t been following the news lately as closely as you have. I’m losing my home.


40 posted on 06/18/2013 9:51:24 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: Lexinom

Prayers up for you and yours. May you find the perfect place of refuge and safety in your trials.


41 posted on 06/18/2013 9:54:25 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: campaignPete R-CT

God bless the American Life League! They stand for ALL the unborn. Isn’t this as Christ would do? The Good Shepherd? He would leave the 99 sheep in search of the one, lost sheep. This bill that the House has passed sacrifices the one, conceived in rape or incest. How does one’s conscience rationalize allowing these innocents to die a horribly painful, brutal death, because of the sins of his or her father?

And to call those who stand for all, innocent unborn babies morons? How is there a place for that kind of disdain for those we should see on the same side of defending life?


42 posted on 06/18/2013 9:55:47 PM PDT by Catholic Iowan
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To: NYer

End child torture ow.


43 posted on 06/18/2013 9:59:29 PM PDT by cookcounty (IRS = Internal Revenge Service.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Absolutely! It’s just like the so-called “Partial Birth Abortion Ban” that so many pro-lifers celebrated when it was “upheld” by the U.S. Supreme Court. They celebrated the decision, but only because they didn’t READ the decision. It was basically a “how to” manual for the “acceptable” ways to kill babies late term.

So it is with this decision. It basically says that those conceived by rape or incest are less worthy of protection, and it’s ok for them to suffer horribly as they are dismembered after 20 weeks. It’s a pro-abortion bill with exceptions; not a pro-life bill. How can one be taken serious to say Baby A, conceived in a consensual sexual act, feels pain at 20 weeks, and so deserves to be protected in law from the brutality of abortion. But, Baby B, conceived in rape or incest; completely innocent of his or her father’s violent act, should be denied the same protection, and therefore suffer an agonizing death? It’s an incoherent argument. It’s insane!

But, furthermore, the whole argument is a false premise anyway. It focuses on a fuzzy line in the sand as to when an unborn child feels pain. Is it 20 weeks? Can a baby feel pain at 19 weeks? Earlier? The focus is on the wrong aspect entirely. The focus should be is it wrong to kill the unborn. Period. If it’s wrong, as hopefully most of us believe, then to support a piece of legislation that ends with, “and then you can kill the baby,” makes no rational sense.


44 posted on 06/18/2013 10:07:00 PM PDT by Catholic Iowan
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To: Catholic Iowan

I guess we are not on the same side. I am anti-moron.

NARAL opposed this bill. So did American Life League.
I supported the bill. So did 200+ congressmen. I hope A.L.L. fails in their efforts to defeat any of them.

I hope NARAL fails, too.


45 posted on 06/18/2013 10:08:29 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (we're the Beatniks now)
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To: NYer

Whoa whoa whoa... Hunter didn’t vote? Wtf?


46 posted on 06/18/2013 10:11:30 PM PDT by wastedyears (I'm a gamer not because I choose to have no life, but because I choose to have many.)
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To: Lexinom

Still... if we can save 95% or 0%... which is better?

“What do you think? If a man has a hundred sheep, and one of them has gone astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine on the hills and go in search of the one that went astray? And if he finds it, truly, I say to you, he rejoices over it more than over the ninety-nine that never went astray.”

Did Jesus weigh which was better, having safe the 99 and abandoning the one? Some might have argued that by leaving the 99 to search out the lost one, the shepherd left the 99 at risk of being ravaged by wild animals, or some other such downfall. But, the Good Shepherd sought out the lost one, nonetheless. Should we do less?


47 posted on 06/18/2013 10:16:24 PM PDT by Catholic Iowan
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To: campaignPete R-CT; Impy; fieldmarshaldj; Perdogg; Clintonfatigued; BillyBoy

A few thoughts:

The bill isn’t perfect, of course, but I fail to see the logic behind a pro-lifer voting against a bill banning most (unfortunately, not all) abortions after 20 weeks of conception when the alternative, the status quo ante, is legalized abortion until right before birth.

Among the Republicans who voted against it, Hanna is no surprise: he is by far the two most reflexively pro-abortion Republican in the House (with the defeat if Biggert and Bass last year, Hanna really has no competition). Dent and Frelinghuysen are also pro-abortion, but they sometimes vote the right way—not this time. As for Runyon, Broun and Woodall, they are pro-life, but voted like idiots here. Broun is running for the Senate from GA; hopefully a pro-life conservative with more intelligence, such as Karen Handel or Congressmen Phil Gingrey or Jack Kingston, wins the nomination (Broun is also the one Republican candidate who could lose that election, thanks to his public comments favoring Creationism and his sometimes Alliance with Paultards).

Among the Democrats, Lipinski, McIntyre, Peterson and Rahall are consistent pro-life votes, the only four truly pro-life Dems left in Congress. Henry Cuellar usually votes pro-life, and he did here; hopefully his occasional pro-abortion votes last year were an aberration. As for Matheson, he’s no pro-lifer, but generally has voted pro life since the new district maps were released in Utah in late 2011; his pandering won’t be enough to save him from defeat by Mia Love in 2014.

Disappointing votes from Democrats whom I was hoping might support this bill (but knew probably would vote against it given their votes over the past two years: Langevin of RI, Sanford Bishop of GA, Lynch of MA and Kaptur of OH. And no one better mention Barriw of GA and “pro-life” in the same sentence again.

Oh, and the three freshmen Dems whom I thought might be pro-life: Filemon Vela and Pete Gallego of TX and Bill Enyart of IL, proved themselves not to be any such thing.


48 posted on 06/18/2013 10:19:42 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll defend your rights?)
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To: campaignPete R-CT

You are anti-moron (subjectively). I am pro-life. No exceptions. You can be sure that NARAL’s opposition was for far different reasons than A.L.L.’s. But let me ask you then, are you ok with the exception that will allow innocent babies to be brutally ripped apart after 20 weeks, because of the circumstances of their conception?


49 posted on 06/18/2013 10:20:29 PM PDT by Catholic Iowan
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To: Catholic Iowan

it is 40 years after Roe. You will not be banning any abortions any time soon because the silly people who think like you do not get involved in politics.

You have no authority over the matter. Better get busy on electing somebody to replace Harkin, the man the A.L.L. folks failed to defeat all those years.

A fool has only to walk along the road and, having no sense, he makes plain to all what a fool he is (Ecclesiasties 10:3


50 posted on 06/18/2013 10:23:14 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (we're the Beatniks now)
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