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New material enables 1,000-meter super-skyscrapers
The Register ^ | 18 June 2013 | Rik Myslewski

Posted on 06/18/2013 12:15:36 PM PDT by ShadowAce

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To: thackney
Your elevator is waiting...

That's what I was thinking as well. At an average of 5 mph you'd you'd be in the stratosphere in two hours and in space at 12. You'd probably want to remember to crank the windows up, though.

61 posted on 06/18/2013 2:44:01 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Ray76

Ha - my thots exactly!


62 posted on 06/18/2013 2:44:30 PM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: MeganC
Why don’t the engineers just use magnetic levitation for elevators?

Because magnetic levitation of significant weight is measured in inches (or fractions of an inch), not hundreds of feet.

If it was made strong enough to lift an elevator full of people, it would rip every ferrous metal object off of you and hold it on the ceiling. A little bit of steel in your zipper would shred your pants as it zipped past your nose.

63 posted on 06/18/2013 2:52:44 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: treetopsandroofs
Why is “UltraRope” so much lighter per length measure after the first 500 meters upwards?

Because the "lion's share" of the 12,800 Kg is the weight of the car, brakes, & 24 passengers which is a constant regardless of building height.

Regards,
GtG

64 posted on 06/18/2013 2:57:28 PM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: ShadowAce

What city should we expect to see these in first? Very interesting.


65 posted on 06/18/2013 3:31:24 PM PDT by OldNewYork (Biden '13. Impeach now.)
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To: thackney

Magnetic levitation works fine in many other applications:

http://www.smtdc.com/en/

http://www.dailytech.com/US+Navy+Launches+First+Aircraft+with+Magnetic+Catapult/article20448.htm

If trains and aircraft carriers can safely use the tech then why not elevators?


66 posted on 06/18/2013 3:44:57 PM PDT by MeganC (A gun is like a parachute. If you need one, and don't have one, you'll never need one again.)
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To: OldNewYork

Dallas. Of course down here we would have AA guns every Twenty floors.


67 posted on 06/18/2013 3:50:15 PM PDT by BigCinBigD (...Was that okay?)
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To: ShadowAce

You’re not taking into account the weight of the car and people, which is constant in both measures. The weight of the rope is the same, but as you string out the steel cable, there is more weight due to more cable.


And the most important thing: The heavier the cable, the thicker it must be to carry all that cable weight, exponentially increasing the cable weight problem as height increases. At some length (I’ll leave the simple calculation to the first year mechanical engineering students), a steel cable of constant diameter will be unable to support itself, and will snap.

Tapered cables reduce this challenge, but when you add length, it is the thickest portion you’re adding to.


68 posted on 06/18/2013 4:33:36 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Universal Background Check -> Registration -> Confiscation -> Oppression -> Extermination)
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To: j. earl carter

Ok, but the energy used going up could be partially recovered coming back down, couldn’t it?


69 posted on 06/18/2013 8:24:02 PM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: BigCinBigD

I can see that. Maybe they’ll run legal base-jumping festivals there too, like they do in Malaysia.


70 posted on 06/19/2013 2:43:38 AM PDT by OldNewYork (Biden '13. Impeach now.)
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To: MeganC

Again, they are not lifting hundreds of feet. They are lifting inches or less to reduce the friction of horizontal travel.


71 posted on 06/19/2013 5:24:55 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

The same principle that propels a maglev train would lift an elevator.

While you are correct that a maglev train is lifted by magnets you’re forgetting that such a train is also propelled by them. And the force that can speed several hundred tons of train at 300mph can surely be applied to moving a three ton elevator a couple thousand feet.


72 posted on 06/19/2013 11:30:02 AM PDT by MeganC (A gun is like a parachute. If you need one, and don't have one, you'll never need one again.)
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To: MeganC

No. Acceleration of mass is not equivalent to lifting of mass.


73 posted on 06/19/2013 11:32:03 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

You’ve never been to an amusement park, have you?

http://www.wisegeek.org/how-are-magnets-used-in-roller-coasters.htm#didyouknowout


74 posted on 06/19/2013 11:36:01 AM PDT by MeganC (A gun is like a parachute. If you need one, and don't have one, you'll never need one again.)
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To: MeganC

You are confusing the accumulation effect of force over time with little resistance, with an absolute magnitude of force.

Individual people can make a train car roll, if they keep pushing for a while. The steel wheels have little resistance and the mag-lev have far less. This does not correspond to the same people being able to lift a large mass.


75 posted on 06/19/2013 11:37:42 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: MeganC

Again, acceleration along a supporting path is not equal to lifting weight.


76 posted on 06/19/2013 11:38:41 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

I guess you should tell these people that they’re wasting their money.

http://vertrak.com/


77 posted on 06/19/2013 11:44:40 AM PDT by MeganC (A gun is like a parachute. If you need one, and don't have one, you'll never need one again.)
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To: MeganC

Linear motors are not magnetic levitation. Do you understand the difference?


78 posted on 06/19/2013 11:50:18 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: ShadowAce

Nothing new in having to change elevators, the empire state building requires you to change elevators in order to reach the top floor, and I imagine the sears tower is the same not just the buildings mentioned in this article.


79 posted on 06/19/2013 1:22:52 PM PDT by calex59
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To: Rich21IE
I don’t know; I’d have thought the further you get from the earths core, the less the gravity so the lighter everything gets.

If you could reach the center of the earth without frying from the heat, there would be no gravity at all, every direction from the center would be UP, there would be no down direction until, of course, you started back up then the down would be back to the center of the earth.

80 posted on 06/19/2013 1:31:19 PM PDT by calex59
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