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NSA Foiled NYSE (New York Stock Exchange) Terrorist Plot, We Now Learn
Zero Hedge ^ | June 18, 2013

Posted on 06/18/2013 9:58:07 AM PDT by Zakeet

To think it only took the world's most (in)famous whistleblower to get the NSA to disclose that it had heroically managed to prevent terrorist attacks involving the New York Stock Exchange (we supposed they refer to the Manhattan-based TV studio and not the actual exchange where the servers are now housed in Mahwah, NJ) and the NY Subway. Because whereas there was a time in the past when the various US secret services would scurry at the opportunity to disclose their expertise to the general public, now it is a false negative that is supposed to disprove a positive (pervasive spying on the US population is good for you because...). Of course it takes one non-false positive to disprove a false negative, namely the Boston Bombers, who as far as we recall, used cell phones to communicate. But so much for details: now please praise the NSA, and also comply with the Administration's push to rescind the second amendment. Or is Obama no longer pushing for "arms control"?

From NBC:

National Security Agency surveillance programs helped disrupt plots to bomb the New York Stock Exchange and the New York subway system, an FBI official told Congress on Tuesday.

The official, Deputy Director Sean Joyce, said that the programs also linked an American citizen in Chicago to the 2008 terror attacks on hotels in India and to a plot to bomb the offices of a Danish newspaper that published a cartoon of the Prophet Muhammad.

Gen. Keith Alexander, the NSA director, told the committee that the programs had helped stop more than 50 “potential terrorist events” since the Sept. 11 attacks. He said he would provide classified details of all of them to the committee Wednesday.

“I would much rather be here today debating this point than trying to explain how we failed to prevent another 9/11,” Alexander said.

Joyce gave limited details on the foiled plots. In the stock exchange plot, he said, the NSA monitored an extremist in Yemen who was in contact with an operative in the United States.

In the subway plot, he said, the NSA intercepted an email from a terrorist in Pakistan in 2009 who was talking with someone in the United States about perfecting a recipe for explosives. He said that person turned out to be Najibullah Zazi, who later pleaded guilty in the plot and is in federal prison.



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: benghazi; civilliberties; fastandfurious; impeachnow; irs; nsa; nyse; occupywallstreet; terrorism
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This time, you Freepers can trust that the head idiot, his ethically challenged cabinet, their libtard congressional overseers, and the mainstream media monkeys are not lying to you about the need to snoop!

1 posted on 06/18/2013 9:58:07 AM PDT by Zakeet
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To: Zakeet

Wall Street, you’re safe.

Sally J. Schlub, going to the Ottumwa Mall, you’re SOL


2 posted on 06/18/2013 9:59:29 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Zakeet

I don’t believe it. They’d have to provide names, dates, places, pictures, recordings (we all know they have them)....etc. Just don’t believe it.


3 posted on 06/18/2013 10:00:14 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Zakeet

Making us secure at what cost? Our constitution? Our freedom?


4 posted on 06/18/2013 10:00:50 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Zakeet

sure they foiled it.... just like all them plots were foiled by waterboarding suspects, eh?


5 posted on 06/18/2013 10:01:01 AM PDT by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: Zakeet
Yeah, sure.

Turbo-spin-cycle mode.

6 posted on 06/18/2013 10:01:27 AM PDT by schm0e ("we are in the midst of a coup.")
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To: Zakeet
So how many terrorist plots was it? 1 or 50?

They can't keep their lies straight.

7 posted on 06/18/2013 10:02:01 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Zakeet

NSA: We don’t listen to content, we just copy phone numbers.

NSA: We stopped this bold plan because we were listening...

You’ve really got to admire lying on this scale.

It’s an art form.


8 posted on 06/18/2013 10:02:48 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Speaker John Boehner (R) no (D) no (R)... has more waffles than IHOP.)
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To: Zakeet

I hope they’ll say how many were jihadist. I had no problems watching mosques and anyone that goes to one full time. They need to admit that everything they stopped was jihad-related and also that only they will be monitored.

Anything less is unacceptable.


9 posted on 06/18/2013 10:03:26 AM PDT by Monty22002
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To: Zakeet

“Or is Obama no longer pushing for “arms control”?”

He doesn’t need arms control. Not when he is controlling ammo.


10 posted on 06/18/2013 10:04:02 AM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Support Free Republic!)
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To: Gaffer

These people lie about everything.


11 posted on 06/18/2013 10:04:19 AM PDT by kjo (+)
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To: DoughtyOne
Rhetorical bait and switch by Alexander. The uproar is over CONUS to CONUS communication. The general referenced a CONUS to OCONUS transmitted communication that was intercepted.

Common folks FOCUS.

12 posted on 06/18/2013 10:06:51 AM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,)
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To: schm0e

Public..Why didn’t you connect the dots?
9/11...we couldn’t connect the dots...didn’t have the means.
After 9/11...now we can connect the dots.

Public...no don’t connect the dots.

.........................................

Public...tell us what you stopped.

Ok...here this is what we stopped..

Public...spin spin spin.

......................................

With the American public there is never ever satisfaction.


13 posted on 06/18/2013 10:07:09 AM PDT by caww
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To: Zakeet

“In the subway plot, he said, the NSA intercepted an email from a terrorist in Pakistan in 2009 who was talking with someone in the United States about perfecting a recipe for explosives.”

Ok, a fine job monitoring emails from Pakistan into the USA. Now, back to the topic of widespread trawling of emails and phone calls between US citizens.

For extra credit, explain why we brought the Afghan citizen who was the “American” end of the plot into America in the first place, and thought it natural for him to travel back and forth to Pakistan after 9/11.

Data mining did not stop this plot. This story being revealed is pure Operation Mockingbird (or whatever the current name of the program is) intelligence community propaganda, nothing more.


14 posted on 06/18/2013 10:07:14 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Zakeet

America hating liars.


15 posted on 06/18/2013 10:07:32 AM PDT by gaijin
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To: Zakeet
Warrants would have had to be issued for each of these as well as any associated numbers. You can't simply assume only two people are connected.

And how do you get a warrant on an assumption?? And how do you set up stings??

So how many warrants were issued in real numbers??

I know they wouldn't lie to us. Benghazi is proof of that.

16 posted on 06/18/2013 10:08:10 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Zakeet

Obama can not have it both ways

If what his NSA is saying is true, then Obama must admit that the Muslim ideology is a serious and dire threat to the West. It clearly is NOT a “law enforcement” issue.

50+ failed attacks in 11 years is serious warfare. Either his NSA is lying, or he is a fool for continuing his political correctness with regards to Muslim surveilance in the USA.


17 posted on 06/18/2013 10:08:51 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: gov_bean_ counter
Yep, I noticed that too...the examples this hack cited were foreign-based, whereas the scandal lies in massive domestic spying on citizens, with a FISA rubber stamp and no competent and informed congressional oversight.

It's a diversion.

18 posted on 06/18/2013 10:08:58 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Gaffer

Dead on;

I have never heard such a load of unadulterated bull-shit in my life.

They wil NOT substantiate this at all.

They just need some garbage for their media sycophants to point to and say “ it was reported that....”


19 posted on 06/18/2013 10:09:43 AM PDT by DanielRedfoot
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To: 2nd amendment mama

ping!


20 posted on 06/18/2013 10:10:21 AM PDT by basil (basil --Second Amendment Sisters.org)
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To: Zakeet

Rage Against the Machine shut the NYSE down in 2000 and they had no repercussions.


21 posted on 06/18/2013 10:12:16 AM PDT by txhurl (RNC 'voter suppression': attempting to limit each voter to ONE vote!)
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To: gov_bean_ counter

Good point. Like you say though, it’s clearly a bait and switch attempt.

I don’t think many of us would object to phone calls between the U. S. and places where terrorist activity is high.

It’s the inside the United States communications that are problematic. And even then, if we’re talking known terrorist suspects, none of us are going to object to monitoring.


22 posted on 06/18/2013 10:13:33 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Speaker John Boehner (R) no (D) no (R)... has more waffles than IHOP.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Absolutely agree.


23 posted on 06/18/2013 10:14:43 AM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,)
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To: Zakeet
Gen. Keith Alexander, the NSA director, told the committee that the programs had helped stop more than 50 “potential terrorist events” since the Sept. 11 attacks. He said he would provide classified details of all of them to the committee Wednesday.
 
Maybe you did but, I think that number is specious at a minimum but, the more important point is you violted the 4th amendment of untold numbers of Americans.
 
No Effing way for you to White Wash that issue.
 
You have no legitimate right to my private communications.
 
Your continued use of the word METADATA is lie by obfuscation.
 
I privately own my communications equipment and the various identities associated with it such as the telephone number, email address, Wed site address, VPN in it's various forms, Fax and the number, MPLS network, Frame Relay network, Mac Address, CLLI, CPNI, CID and on and on and on.
 
Further, I contracted with private businesses to manage those elements, which I personally own, who then transmit my ID to a distant machine before further information is transmitted by voice or packetized information.
 
When my phone sits idle it is still comunicating a Keep Alive session to constantly enable me to be connected to a service, by a provider, I privately contracted with.
 
The equipment and services that enable this connection are privately owned as well and send back a keep alive connection.
 
How is this done?
 
My phone is a simple gateway device.  That is, it is constantly knocking at the door of the Gatekeeper of any network I may be connected to and is constantly keeping my connection alive by means of Identity and password.
 
My phone's identity is constantly transmitting its unique device ID and a secret password assigned to the phone, by the service provider, enabling me and my phone to constantly and in an autonomous state.
 

24 posted on 06/18/2013 10:15:52 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: txhurl

LOL! Obama thinks he’s gonna win back the under-30’s by saving the New York Stock Exchange?


25 posted on 06/18/2013 10:21:23 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Zakeet

Hmmm ... all involves international calls, no?


26 posted on 06/18/2013 10:21:33 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Unindicted Co-conspirators: The Mainstream Media)
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To: Zakeet
THE DAILY CRAPOLA:

The NSA [testimony] has "acquired" millions of phone numbers,

-they just only "use" one or two when they can get a search warrant for those one or two numbers.

They need to have the "whole haystack" in order to find one needle.

Sorry horses "acquire" hay and "use" it by eating it.

It`s doubletalk deja vu.

These goons are taking Americans on a wild out-of-control runaway horseride.

They must be stopped as this haystack did not stop the Boston bombers.

It is a useless device and a violation of the U.S. Constitution since it only spies on Americans and not on muslims.

duuuuhhhhhhh.

The NSA said that the NSA database doesn`t have telephone number messages, emails etc.,

Ergo there exists a secret internet & phone database of everyone`s info, an "Area 51 top-secret database" which "doesn`t exist"..

It just ain`t the NSA database.

"Sorry NSA- we ain`t that stupoid.

27 posted on 06/18/2013 10:22:28 AM PDT by bunkerhill7 (("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.))
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To: Zakeet

The NSA didn’t stop Bane from attacking the stock exchange! I know because I saw the attack myself in the recent Batman movie.

[/s]


28 posted on 06/18/2013 10:24:31 AM PDT by MeganC (A gun is like a parachute. If you need one, and don't have one, you'll never need one again.)
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Bullcrap!


29 posted on 06/18/2013 10:25:54 AM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: Jim Robinson

Exactly. We have no more freedom.

Following this logic, let’s bug everyone’s houses and let the police bust in any old time they want.

Just think of the criminals we’ll catch.

/s


30 posted on 06/18/2013 10:26:59 AM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (The Buck Stops Over There.)
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To: caww
What simplistic Barbara Streisand!
1) After 9/11...now we can connect the dots.

2) Public...no don’t connect the dots.

.........................................

3) Public...tell us what you stopped.

4) Ok...here this is what we stopped..

5) Public...spin spin spin.

1) NO THEY CAN'T. They were flooded with dots and completely missed the Boston Bombers. We cannot connect the dots any better than before 9/11. The Bombers were a no-brainer, served up on a silver platter. Even Nancy Pelosi could have connected those dots.

2) WHO EVER SAID THAT?????????

3) Damned straight we asked once we learned of the use of Writs of Assistance.

4) You gave us all overseas contact examples. THAT'S NOT THE POINT IN QUESTION. Monitor Palm Beach to Pakistan, great. Monitor Palm Beach to Palm Springs, not so much.

5) If you mean the public is calling spin, damned straight again.

31 posted on 06/18/2013 10:28:54 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Unindicted Co-conspirators: The Mainstream Media)
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To: caww

False analogy.
The dots to be connected weren’t Christian White Males and patriotic Americans.
The dots to be connected were muslims.

They refuse to look at or even investigate muslims, might offend them you know.


32 posted on 06/18/2013 10:29:35 AM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: Zakeet; All

It sounds like NSA is wrongly spinning the private information that they are obtaining without a warrant as the “probable cause” to justify getting the information in the first place.


33 posted on 06/18/2013 10:36:56 AM PDT by Amendment10
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To: Jim Robinson
Making us secure at what cost? Our constitution? Our freedom?

Exactly.

Which is the greater hazard- governmental excess or terrorism?

Governmental tyranny has slaughtered and opressed many, many times more victims than terrorism could ever dream of.

The founding dads knew what they were talking about.

Not that security is unimportant- it is, but if forced to choose I'll take liberty over security any day of the week.

34 posted on 06/18/2013 10:38:32 AM PDT by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: Gaffer

Nor do I.


35 posted on 06/18/2013 10:38:54 AM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: Zakeet
Joyce gave limited details on the foiled plots. In the stock exchange plot, he said, the NSA monitored an extremist in Yemen who was in contact with an operative in the United States.

In the subway plot, he said, the NSA intercepted an email from a terrorist in Pakistan in 2009.

Bait and switch testimony. NOBODY cares that we have programs to monitor the international communications of foreign actors. This is what NSA is paid to do. The issue at hand is that the NSA has at least one program that monitors the domestic communications of AMERICAN CITIZENS. Let's hear if THAT program unmasked any terrorist plots.

Crickets...

36 posted on 06/18/2013 10:43:49 AM PDT by jboot (It can happen here because it IS happening here.)
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To: Zakeet

Guess what, I don’t believe them...why is that?


37 posted on 06/18/2013 10:48:47 AM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag ( EVERY DIME Obama Spends is given to him by the Republicans in the House.)
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yeah right if it was true they would have made that public the same day to get mass media exposure and support for the nsa and the goverment


38 posted on 06/18/2013 10:55:29 AM PDT by The Right wing Infidel
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To: DesertRhino; COUNTrecount; Nowhere Man; FightThePower!; C. Edmund Wright; jacob allen; ...
Worth re-posting for a wider audience (The N-JCT ping list):
“In the subway plot, he said, the NSA intercepted an email from a terrorist in Pakistan in 2009 who was talking with someone in the United States about perfecting a recipe for explosives.”

Ok, a fine job monitoring emails from Pakistan into the USA. Now, back to the topic of widespread trawling of emails and phone calls between US citizens.

For extra credit, explain why we brought the Afghan citizen who was the “American” end of the plot into America in the first place, and thought it natural for him to travel back and forth to Pakistan after 9/11.

Data mining did not stop this plot. This story being revealed is pure Operation Mockingbird (or whatever the current name of the program is) intelligence community propaganda, nothing more.

Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping!

To get onto The Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping List you must threaten to report me to the Mods if I don’t add you to the list...

39 posted on 06/18/2013 10:56:39 AM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of opression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: Zakeet

These liars will say anything to cover their asses.

I call BS.

And, F the NSA, DHS, and Obozo.


40 posted on 06/18/2013 11:07:06 AM PDT by appalachian_dweller (Live each day as if it's your last. It might be.)
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To: Riley
Which is the greater hazard- governmental excess or terrorism?

In the 20th century, democide cost more lives than ALL the wars fought between nations.

41 posted on 06/18/2013 11:10:26 AM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of opression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: Zakeet

They did a great job thwarting the plot to blow up the Boston Marathon.


42 posted on 06/18/2013 11:12:39 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: Fresh Wind

Yeah I’m sure the families of those killed in the Boston Marathon wholly support this program... NOT!


43 posted on 06/18/2013 11:13:46 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: kjo

“These people lie about everything.”

Yup! What possible reason could there be for us to believe anything that someone representing this regime has to say!


44 posted on 06/18/2013 11:15:46 AM PDT by Batman11 (Obama is not American.. he has no clue what it is to be American.)
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To: Zakeet
...the programs also linked an American citizen in Chicago to the 2008 terror attacks on hotels in India and to a plot to bomb the offices of a Danish newspaper ...

Just some guy who lives in the neighborhood?

45 posted on 06/18/2013 11:20:03 AM PDT by Pan_Yan (I believe in God. All else is dubious.)
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To: Riley

“Not that security is unimportant- it is, but if forced to choose I’ll take liberty over security any day of the week.”

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

- Benjamin Franklin


46 posted on 06/18/2013 11:20:21 AM PDT by Batman11 (Obama is not American.. he has no clue what it is to be American.)
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To: null and void

The only thing I would add is that if we look back on the history of Islam, their non-stop butchery would equal the 20ty century democide as far as percentages of population slaughtered.

And at this point there is no either/or about governmental excess and terrorism - “The Taliban is inside the building.”


47 posted on 06/18/2013 11:23:23 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: caww
With the American public there is never ever satisfaction.

Gee, I can't imagine why we can't trust these guys. /utter slack-jawed sarcasm

48 posted on 06/18/2013 11:31:22 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: caww

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3032686/posts

Dots are not being connected.


49 posted on 06/18/2013 11:55:00 AM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: null and void

exactly.....they take a small pebble and turn it into a big stinking turd and say see it is really just a small pebble


50 posted on 06/18/2013 12:01:55 PM PDT by Nifster
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