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'Gang of Eight' Members Angry with Rubio Over Border Security Amendments?
Townhall ^ | 06/15/2013 | Guy Benson

Posted on 06/15/2013 9:56:27 AM PDT by SeekAndFind


What to make of this?  I'll raise a few theories below, but here's the Washington Post's Greg Sargent on supposed internal conflict within the 'Gang of Eight:'

Republican and Democratic senators in the “gang of eight” immigration reform group gave Marco Rubio an earful at a private meeting this week, telling him they were frustrated with his public embrace of overly conservative border security measures and his failure to adequately communicate with them over strategy, which they said was putting reform at risk, I’m told. The details of the private meeting on Wednesday – which were shared with me by a source familiar with the episode — shed new light on the delicate behind the scenes strategic calculations the gang of eight is making as it seeks to navigate its proposal past conservative opposition through the Senate. The meeting hints at the true nature of the collective kabuki that the gang of eight is engaged in as it seeks to create just enough space to the right for Republicans to embrace the bill — without moving it so far to the right that it alienates Democrats. Publicly, Senators have mostly remained mum as Rubio has flirted with conservative demands for more border security. But in the private meeting, Republican and Democratic senators in the gang of eight expressed “frustration” with Rubio over the manner in which he publicly embraced the John Cornyn amendment, which mandates hard border security “triggers” as a precondition for citizenship in a manner Dems find unacceptable, the source tells me...As feared, uncommitted Republican Senators are beginning to clamber aboard the Cornyn “hard trigger” express.


Like Allahpundit, I'm deeply skeptical that Rubio has actually run afoul of fellow 'gang' members by endorsing John Cornyn's stricter border enforcement provisions, which Rubio reportedly helped draft in private -- though Cornyn's office disputes that claim.  Sargent is right to confine "hard trigger" to quotation marks because although that amendment is an improvement over the bill's status quo, the notion that it's a draconian non-starter for Democrats is absurd.  I heard initial buzz from sources close to the gang of eight's inner workings that Chuck Schumer was prepared to accept Cornyn's plan.  I openly wondered why on earth the New York Senator wouldn't at least feign initial opposition to the proposal, only to "cave" later and give conservatives a "win."  That's how this sort of kabuki works.  Sure enough, within a day or two, Harry Reid was tearing into the Cornyn amendment as a "poison pill," or whatever.  John McCain and Lindsey Graham have used similar language, surprising nobody.  (Again, go back and read what Cornyn has proposed.  It's not even remotely "harsh" or unreasonable).  I presumed this was all pure theater, but then Rubio pivoted to co-authoring yet another amendment with Tom Coburn, which will almost certainly water down the already watered-down Cornyn enforcement package.  Remember, the only plan that would have required genuine security triggers before the government grants provisional legalization to millions died on the Senate floor last week. 

The Rubio/Coburn development has me rethinking some previous assumptions.  Maybe the Left flank really doesn't intend to eventually relent on the Cornyn amendment.  Maybe the kabuki is actually happening on the Right, where conservatives are offering up stronger enforcement paradigms to assuage the base, knowing full well that the Senate will never adopt anything that even approaches a serious improvement.  And perhaps the Left is getting a little greedy.  They might have concluded that (a) Republicans like McCain and Graham are giving them sufficient political cover to reject any idea that treads beyond illusory baby steps, and (b) Rubio's become too invested in the outcome to walk away now.  They might be right on both counts.  In any case, all of this maneuvering on behalf of "amnesty" must be corroding Rubio's standing among Republicans nationally, right?  Wrong:




Rubio clocks in at a whopping +47 favorable rating among Republicans, second only to Mitt Romney's running mate and House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan -- who also happens to support a big bipartisan compromise on immigration reform.  Be sure to note Chris Christie's numbers; he's at the bottom of that pile, but still registers a healthy +28 favorability mark among Republicans.  Among all adults, including Republicans, Democrats and Independents, guess who sails to the front of the class?  That's why I suspect AP is right when it comes to Rubio's potential for rehabilitation among those who are currently livid at him for basically spearheading the Gang of Eight effort:

If he hangs in there and the bill passes, he’ll get all sorts of media love as the “new leader of the GOP,” a man who “makes things happen in Washington,” blah blah. You and I will pound the table and swear that we’ll never, ever vote for him in 2016, and that might be true — for awhile. But strange things happen. What if Christie emerges as a real threat to take the nomination with moderate support? Suddenly Rubio becomes the lesser of two evils, a guy who’s much more conservative than Christie on balance, who has a pretty good record if you exclude the whole “terrible immigration bill” thing, who’s darned electable against Hillary and isn’t that what’s really important? We’ll talk ourselves into it and Rubio knows it. And then, once he’s the nominee, any righty who threatens to stay home in protest of his embarrassing betrayal of border security (and betrayal of the voters who elected him in 2010 as an anti-amnesty candidate) will be considered an utmost traitor to the conservative cause. Again, Rubio knows all this.


Any conservative who's already confidently pronouncing Rubio DOA in 2016 because of his immigration work is forgetting very recent history.



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: amnesty; bordersecurity; gangof8; immigration; immigrationbill; randsconcerntrolls; rubio
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The reform bill is built on fraud and lies. Illegal aliens who have forged and stolen Social Security numbers and other official govt documents enabling them to ride the US gravy train, vote, get mtges, etc.....will now get citizenship if Sen Schmucky Schumer (D-NY) has his way.

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REFERENCE: Just before the procedural vote, Judiciary Committee member Sen Grassley offered a simple amendment to the Judiciary Committee considering voting the immigration bill out of commmittee. "The secretary (of homeland security) may not grant registered provisional immigrant status to an alien under this section unless the alien fully discloses to the secretary all the names and Social Security account numbers that the alien has ever used to obtain employment in the United States," said Grassley's amendment.

Grassley's amendment would not have prohibited illegal aliens from being converted into legal aliens just because they had used names and Social Security numbers that did not belong to them. It would only have required that the illegal aliens make the names and numbers they used known to DHS before they could be granted the right to legally live in the United States.

Grassley said, "Congress should not thumb its nose at the millions of Americans who are victims of identity theft, often perpetrated by an undocumented person who steals Social Security numbers to get jobs, govt benefits, driver's licenses and more. This amendment will simply require the person applying for RPI status to disclose any previously used Social Security numbers," said Grassley. "It's the first step to helping clean up the mess that's been created for the victim of identity theft. The amendment also authorizes certain federal agencies, upon receipt of this information, to notify individuals who were the victims."

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ON RECORD AS AIDING AND AETTING FELONIES Ranking member Sen Schumer dismissed Grassley's proposal. "When people are living in undocumented status, there are times, I suppose, when they've made up identities, made up Social Security numbers," Schumer told his Judiciary Committee colleagues. "How are they going to remember all that, and are we going to delay RPI status? "(The) purpose of this bill is to bring people out of the shadows. We all know when they lived in the shadows, they had to forge documents, forge Social Security numbers, et cetera. I just don't see how, when you've lived here 10 years, and you've had many different identities, many different numbers, you're going to remember them all," said Schumer.

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The Senate Judiciary committee defeated Grassley's amendment 8 to 10 on a party-line vote.

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ACTION ALERT Freepers should mobolize locally--get grand juries to begin indicting these Senators for FAILING TO UPHOLD THE LAW AGAINST FELONIES. A few convictions and imprisonment oughta wake up the treasonous Congress. KEEP IN MIND---those elected to office are held to a higher standard of law than we peons....but have never been held to account.

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Majority members----Senate Judiciary Committee Hearing Room
226 Dirksen Senate Office Building Washington, DC:

Patrick Leahy, Dem-Vermont, Chairman
Dianne Feinstein, Dem-California
Chuck Schumer, Dem-New York, ranking member
Dick Durbin, Dem-Illinois
Sheldon Whitehouse, Dem-Rhode Island
Amy Klobuchar, Dem-Minnesota
Al Franken, Dem-Minnesota
Chris Coons,Dem- Delaware
Richard Blumenthal, Dem- Connecticut
Mazie Hirono, Dm-Hawaii

Source: 2013 Congressional Record, Vol. 159, Page S296 to 297

21 posted on 06/15/2013 10:20:37 AM PDT by Liz
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To: Marcella
For thirty years I've been a good 'team player', have voted my conscience in primaries and held my nose in the generals.

But if this amnesty bill passes, my vote will count for far less than it even has to now. If it passes, from then on only the most socialist candidates will have a chance at national office.

So, if I even choose to participate in elections, all of my votes will be protest ones.

22 posted on 06/15/2013 10:21:16 AM PDT by skeeter
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GOOD AFTERNOON, NSA---when you expose the communiques of Ohaha, Schumer and pro-reform types making lucrative deals with Third World hellholes in exchange for aye votes......please be sure to copy the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Thank you.

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FReepers, Contact Congress Toll Free 1-(866) 220-0044

MESSAGE TO CONGRESS: "I'm a legal American citizen, I pay taxes, I vote, and I don't like this bill. Most of all I don't like my govt using legislative power to scrounge for illegal voters to stay in power."

23 posted on 06/15/2013 10:23:18 AM PDT by Liz
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Ooh, an angry Gang of 8holes...


24 posted on 06/15/2013 10:27:55 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: g.i.joe

Don’t do that. I like the sentiment, but you know they would see it as some sort of biological weapon or some such. Yes, I’m serious. He isn’t worth you getting in trouble.


25 posted on 06/15/2013 10:29:28 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Now playing... [ * * * Manchurian Candidate * * * ], limited engagement, 8 years...)
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To: g.i.joe
I’m strongly considering peeing in it and sending it back to him.

Consider carefully the reaction of the Homeland Security Thugs before you do that.

26 posted on 06/15/2013 10:29:52 AM PDT by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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To: eyeamok

Exactly...


27 posted on 06/15/2013 10:30:00 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Now playing... [ * * * Manchurian Candidate * * * ], limited engagement, 8 years...)
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To: g.i.joe
I don't think I would do that if I were you...

I also don't think I would suggest the notion to anyone else if you know what I mean...

28 posted on 06/15/2013 10:32:55 AM PDT by OKSooner
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To: SeekAndFind
Inside the rat brain:

We win. If we don't win, we're only one step away from a friendly judge who'll make sure we do.

29 posted on 06/15/2013 10:34:25 AM PDT by JPG (Stay strong.)
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To: Ohioan
That is a really great wrap up on the guy.

A rat eyed psychotic, consumed by his hatred of all those evil WASPs out there who...who...kept his grandfather out of Harvard...or something.

To him, we're all Himmlers.

30 posted on 06/15/2013 10:38:02 AM PDT by Regulator
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31 posted on 06/15/2013 10:39:25 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: Liz
Good ol' Raul.

Dumb as a rock, and he ran TUSD for God knows how long.

When my Mom graduated from Tucson High, the guy who ranked just below her was Frank Borman.

That's how good TUSD was in the '40s.

Not now. Just a Mexican indoctrination camp, dedicated to babysitting the next generation of ranting separatists.

32 posted on 06/15/2013 10:41:36 AM PDT by Regulator
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To: Liz

bm


33 posted on 06/15/2013 10:51:03 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (who'll take tomorrow,$pend it all today;who can take your income & tax it all away..0'Blowfly can :)
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To: Regulator

Thanks for the realtime report.

Third World primitives.....a pox on the US.


34 posted on 06/15/2013 10:53:41 AM PDT by Liz
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To: SeekAndFind; All
Lets all gather here and pretend we have any say in this matter at all. Triggers shmiggers they don't enforce current law and never will.

We have these kabuki dances every two to four years where they put on a show not unlike WWE Wrestling where the villain varies according to the location.

The nearly stolen election by Al Gore taught us nothing, and we just shrugged at the defeat of Romney by arguably the worst president ever and said Oh Well.

Thankfully my expiration date is closer than most here and I won't have to see the total demise of the Republic, but we will have to explain to God one day why we let this happen to our children.

Conservatives have no horse in this race at all, judging by Rubio's approval ratings the country will drink the Kool-Aid, when asked to by a slick fast talking carnival carny.

35 posted on 06/15/2013 10:54:17 AM PDT by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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To: Liz

36 posted on 06/15/2013 10:55:44 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

I hear “the Gang of Eight” took a cue from the IRS-—and prepared a video to loosen up the senate for the vote. The video is a rollicking, playful take on the Cheech and Chong movie, “Coming to America.”

Sen Schumer plays Cheech and Sen Rubio plays Chong.

Janet Napolitano plays “Rosita” owner of the Mexican cantina “Reconquista”....she’s seen pouring tequila shots for the future US citizens, who are gathered to fill out welfare, EITC refund, and voter registration forms...all in Spanish.

Cameo roles feature Obama as a lovable, compassionate, braindead Stepen Fetchit character who sweeps up the cantina. Michele Obama plays “Conchita,” a fiery senorita who has a (cough) room above the cantina.

Sen Menendez plays a helpful “coyote” charging the impoverished Mexicans $10,000 each for a ride across the border and a packet of forged documents.


37 posted on 06/15/2013 11:00:47 AM PDT by Liz
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To: Liz

I know you know, what is the number of the bill? I want to read it. I heard there are some horrendous things in this bill that actually outsource a lot of the things in it to community organizer groups vs. government employees, and that the groups actually receive federal money to do the things required.
Thanks


38 posted on 06/15/2013 11:10:30 AM PDT by sheana
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To: sheana

S.744 Latest Title: Border Security, Economic Opportunity, and Immigration Modernization Act Sponsor: Sen Schumer, Charles E. [NY]

a sickenly mendacious title, and i commend you for reading it. it is not a pleasant read. now it is apparently bloated to over 1000 pages.


39 posted on 06/15/2013 11:30:53 AM PDT by dadfly
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To: SeekAndFind

They are upset that Rubio hasn’t completely morphed into Chuck Schumer. Almost but not quite.


40 posted on 06/15/2013 11:53:48 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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