Posted on 06/15/2013 6:33:28 AM PDT by DannyTN
I've been advocating leaving the scouts since the vote, but that's the wrong approach. The BSA is worth fighting for.
I went last night to the Boxwood Scout Retreat here in Tennessee to pick up my son from a week of scouting. As I looked around at the pristine property on the edge of Old Hickory Lake, and the decades of work it must have taken to build the facilities located there, I realized what a shame it was to give it all up without a fight.
The BSA have assets on their books of over $1 billion offset by just $300 million in liablilities. And my guess is that their assets are probably vastly understated as most of their real estate would be listed at purchase price not current value.
Let's not walk away from that because one vote took us by surprise.
Instead the Baptists, Catholics, Methodists, Assemblies of God, whatever other churchs will join us, including Mormons need to band together and reverse this decision.
We need to examine the delegates that were sent and how they voted. And we need to clean house of the delegates that allowed this travesty. And we need to identify the people on the board and in the leadership who pushed for this.
Then we need to go to the next national meeting with enough votes in hand to overturn this decision.
I've seen this happen before with Baptist churches. Every once in a while a church will call a pastor and the pastor will turn out to be a kook. He'll start running off long term members and bringing in his own following who have an almost cult like attachment to him.
One church I knew dropped out of the Southern Baptist Convention and the preacher told the church they could change their name to "Mike's angels" for all he cared. Within a year they had mortgaged the church, stripped it of all it's assets and went bankrupt. The original members were able to buy the church back from the bank, but it was a hard lesson.
Another church had the same thing happen to them, but after about a year of losing long term members, the Deacons realized what was happening, manned up and fired the preacher. The church was weakened but survived.
It's time to man up, change the leadership, reverse this decision and take the scouts back.
I went last night to pick my son up from
Giving your son to a pedophile to take overnight camping is not “fighting”.
Taking your son out is how you fight back.
The Episcopal Church has some attractive properties also.
These people have shown that “money” is the god they worship. You fight that by removing the children from their income stream.
Money Talks, B.S. walks.
“We need to examine the delegates that were sent and how they voted.”
How are delegates chosen? Who do they represent, is apportionment of delegates based on number of units or sheer number of scouts? How does region affect delegates?
FReegards
Fine sentiments. The composition of the “Board” that made this vile decision and how it is constituted is a bit murky. Perhaps the first step is to define the mechanism how the Boy Scouts Board is appointed or elected, take control of the process, elect or appoint clear thinking moral people and reverse the process. A purge is necessary at the headquarters.
Why not?
We have given up America withour a fight!
The fight is over.
Too late — this battle should have been settled decades ago and held in place...but it wasn’t...and over a course of time - people became too tried to deal with it...insurgencies last as long as they need to...most US Citizens deal with 2 to 4 yr time lines...anything beyond that - they lose interest.
In my son’s case, his best friend’s father is the troop leader. I feel comfortable with the troop leadership. My son’s Baptist but the troop is sponsored by a Catholic church.
I don’t doubt that there has been some level of infiltration of the scouts by gays and I’m sure there are some pedofiles in there as well. My guess is that most of the leadership that voted to allow gay members were not themselves gay but just naive about the dangers of what they were voting for.
But again, you have two choices, you can fight to fix it, or you can run. There is no guarantee that any new organization is not going to get infiltrated as well.
I think the Boy Scout camp you are referring to is “Boxwell”
Sorry . . . they’re toast. I will not let my kids anywhere near sodomite friendly organizations . . . period.
I am an octogenerian, an Eagle Scout in 1944, and involved in Scouting of and on all my life. Scouting is too great a program for boys to place your tail between your legs and sneak away. It is worth a fight to save. I have never in my experience, in several States, have ever known of a pedophile in Scouting, except an infrequent article in a newspaper about an incident far away. When the going gets tough, the tough get going. Root ‘em out, take back Scouting. Don’t give up without a fight.
You won’t fix it. Once an organization has broken that wall, it will double down and keep moving farther and farther into perversion. Look at how the Girl Scouts are in league with Planned Parenthood now.
exactly.
If they lose sponsors and membership drops they MIGHT reconsider.
But as I said, these orgs are more likely to double down than fix the problem
Great questions, I don't know any of the answers.
It’s over, Danny.
It is not an easy position to take, Danny, but I agree with you. I don’t know if the momentum toward liberalism in Scouting can be reversed but at the moment I am willing to try. Largely because of the work my son has done. He is about to turn 15, a Life Scout, and is 6-8 months away from Eagle. To see his effort and that honored tradition simply vanish because of those whose sole motivation in life is to make the world safe for sodomy seems like a courage deficit.
The question of how to fight is crucial, and I am heading to a meeting this morning of Troop leadership to work on exactly that.
I pulled these stats from a thread I saw a couple of days ago.
It represents the number of UNITS across the country and what church organizations are sponsoring them:
• Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints — 37,856.
• United Methodist Church — 10,868.
• Catholic Church — 8,397.
• Presbyterian Church — 3,597.
• Lutheran Church — 3,827.
• Baptist churches — 3,981.
This pretty much seals it for me... the Mormons OWN scouting, with or without this vote on gays.
It has been made abundantly clear to me that what is really going on here is God’s testing... not just of the BSA, but of the churches themselves, and ultimately the individual.
He is separating the wheat from the chaff.
It is very difficult to fight for that which God is taking from you.
While they were busy destroying America we were busy watching American Idol, The Kardashians, our favorite sports teams, and playing with our latest shiny new toys.
They destroyed us and didn't even fire a shot.
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