Skip to comments.Don't Give up the Boy Scouts without a FIGHT!!!
Posted on 06/15/2013 6:33:28 AM PDT by DannyTN
I've been advocating leaving the scouts since the vote, but that's the wrong approach. The BSA is worth fighting for.
I went last night to the Boxwood Scout Retreat here in Tennessee to pick up my son from a week of scouting. As I looked around at the pristine property on the edge of Old Hickory Lake, and the decades of work it must have taken to build the facilities located there, I realized what a shame it was to give it all up without a fight.
The BSA have assets on their books of over $1 billion offset by just $300 million in liablilities. And my guess is that their assets are probably vastly understated as most of their real estate would be listed at purchase price not current value.
Let's not walk away from that because one vote took us by surprise.
Instead the Baptists, Catholics, Methodists, Assemblies of God, whatever other churchs will join us, including Mormons need to band together and reverse this decision.
We need to examine the delegates that were sent and how they voted. And we need to clean house of the delegates that allowed this travesty. And we need to identify the people on the board and in the leadership who pushed for this.
Then we need to go to the next national meeting with enough votes in hand to overturn this decision.
I've seen this happen before with Baptist churches. Every once in a while a church will call a pastor and the pastor will turn out to be a kook. He'll start running off long term members and bringing in his own following who have an almost cult like attachment to him.
One church I knew dropped out of the Southern Baptist Convention and the preacher told the church they could change their name to "Mike's angels" for all he cared. Within a year they had mortgaged the church, stripped it of all it's assets and went bankrupt. The original members were able to buy the church back from the bank, but it was a hard lesson.
Another church had the same thing happen to them, but after about a year of losing long term members, the Deacons realized what was happening, manned up and fired the preacher. The church was weakened but survived.
It's time to man up, change the leadership, reverse this decision and take the scouts back.
I went last night to pick my son up from
Giving your son to a pedophile to take overnight camping is not “fighting”.
Taking your son out is how you fight back.
The Episcopal Church has some attractive properties also.
These people have shown that “money” is the god they worship. You fight that by removing the children from their income stream.
Money Talks, B.S. walks.
“We need to examine the delegates that were sent and how they voted.”
How are delegates chosen? Who do they represent, is apportionment of delegates based on number of units or sheer number of scouts? How does region affect delegates?
Fine sentiments. The composition of the “Board” that made this vile decision and how it is constituted is a bit murky. Perhaps the first step is to define the mechanism how the Boy Scouts Board is appointed or elected, take control of the process, elect or appoint clear thinking moral people and reverse the process. A purge is necessary at the headquarters.
We have given up America withour a fight!
The fight is over.
Too late — this battle should have been settled decades ago and held in place...but it wasn’t...and over a course of time - people became too tried to deal with it...insurgencies last as long as they need to...most US Citizens deal with 2 to 4 yr time lines...anything beyond that - they lose interest.
In my son’s case, his best friend’s father is the troop leader. I feel comfortable with the troop leadership. My son’s Baptist but the troop is sponsored by a Catholic church.
I don’t doubt that there has been some level of infiltration of the scouts by gays and I’m sure there are some pedofiles in there as well. My guess is that most of the leadership that voted to allow gay members were not themselves gay but just naive about the dangers of what they were voting for.
But again, you have two choices, you can fight to fix it, or you can run. There is no guarantee that any new organization is not going to get infiltrated as well.
I think the Boy Scout camp you are referring to is “Boxwell”
Sorry . . . they’re toast. I will not let my kids anywhere near sodomite friendly organizations . . . period.
I am an octogenerian, an Eagle Scout in 1944, and involved in Scouting of and on all my life. Scouting is too great a program for boys to place your tail between your legs and sneak away. It is worth a fight to save. I have never in my experience, in several States, have ever known of a pedophile in Scouting, except an infrequent article in a newspaper about an incident far away. When the going gets tough, the tough get going. Root ‘em out, take back Scouting. Don’t give up without a fight.
You won’t fix it. Once an organization has broken that wall, it will double down and keep moving farther and farther into perversion. Look at how the Girl Scouts are in league with Planned Parenthood now.
If they lose sponsors and membership drops they MIGHT reconsider.
But as I said, these orgs are more likely to double down than fix the problem
Great questions, I don't know any of the answers.
It’s over, Danny.
It is not an easy position to take, Danny, but I agree with you. I don’t know if the momentum toward liberalism in Scouting can be reversed but at the moment I am willing to try. Largely because of the work my son has done. He is about to turn 15, a Life Scout, and is 6-8 months away from Eagle. To see his effort and that honored tradition simply vanish because of those whose sole motivation in life is to make the world safe for sodomy seems like a courage deficit.
The question of how to fight is crucial, and I am heading to a meeting this morning of Troop leadership to work on exactly that.
I pulled these stats from a thread I saw a couple of days ago.
It represents the number of UNITS across the country and what church organizations are sponsoring them:
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints 37,856.
United Methodist Church 10,868.
Catholic Church 8,397.
Presbyterian Church 3,597.
Lutheran Church 3,827.
Baptist churches 3,981.
This pretty much seals it for me... the Mormons OWN scouting, with or without this vote on gays.
It has been made abundantly clear to me that what is really going on here is God’s testing... not just of the BSA, but of the churches themselves, and ultimately the individual.
He is separating the wheat from the chaff.
It is very difficult to fight for that which God is taking from you.
While they were busy destroying America we were busy watching American Idol, The Kardashians, our favorite sports teams, and playing with our latest shiny new toys.
They destroyed us and didn't even fire a shot.
After losing one vote? Now they got the church's attention. Now is the opportunity to muster an organized response and clean house.
I you help the current perverted leadership by supporting the scouts in its present form, you are part of the problem.
The American people are just to uninformed to change course.
Very encouraging to think we’ll have your type thinking as backup if the SHTF!
BSA is one of the best things that any boy can do in forming a good citizen. Boy Scouts is one of the building blocks, if not a keystone to America’s spirit and freedom. It will never be replaced if chickens abandon a fight to keep Scouting.
Most of us have no clue on how to go up against the BSA Board that voted in this queer crap, but that does not mean there is no way, we just have to be willing to invest our time and effort to this worthy fight.
Ditto as Rush would say..
Walking away from Boy Scouts without a fight against leftist thought infltration is like giving up US citizenship because of obama and the US Congress
Parents control who their kids go camping with and can choose their kids troop leader, become troop leaders or go as chaperones. Cub camping is basically family camping anyway
I’m not suggesting a prolonged fight with no progress. I’m suggesting an organized planned response led by the organized churches to take back the leadership and weed out the problems.
If we can’t win the next meeting, or at least see a path to winning, then it’s time to abandon them. But just like those churches, the good people can run and have to start from scratch, or you can man up right now and deal with the leadership problem.
The ONLY way to get the BSA to reconsider is for them to lose members and sponsors
Geez. I remember seeing BSA television ads in the late ‘70s that featured George Takei. Now, he’s one of the architects of the organization’s demise.
Knowing the realities of camping, first it doesn’t sound much like a queerbob or even a couch-potato thing to spend days roughing it, second I suspect the straight campers will have some interesting ways to discourage a second campout “experience”.
The homo community is going to be surprised when their “Boy Scout” infiltration doesn’t pan out sufficiently to give them BSA support for queer Scout Leaders.
Bullshite. Yep, its a lot easier to complain and run away.
The fake theater of concern about homosexual adult leader is just that, and will soon be dropped.
Would you remain a member of a "gay church" because you and a small group of opposing parishioners thought you could somehow redeem it?
That way they "appear" to be in control. The fact that they held a secret vote is reason enough to suspect fraud.
I would like to see a split. The traditional scout and the progressive scouts. Take a membership vote on who wants to be in which one, the split the assets based on that vote.
I know it wouldn’t be that simple, but it should be.
It’s usually the liberals who start to die on the vine because the resources primarily come from the conservative members. Staying around will only feed the beast. Take the money and run.
Absolutely. There was a lot of fraud. Who knows, maybe NSA wire taps were used to control the “right” people. that used to sound paranoid, but now it is VERY believable.
Barry’ blackmail and butt worshipper squads are in control.
I understand where your heart is, and I wholeheartedly support the idea of fighting back, but you are misidentifying where the problem is. The problem isn’t some vague vote, or showing up with enough votes to overturn a bad decision, the problem is professional scouting and how it has utterly usurped Lord Baden Powell’s book and his ideals.
You want to fight back? Start by rejecting professional scouting. If your council is run by paid staffers, insist that they immediately be fired, that the council offices immediately be closed, and that you will accept no substitution for the all volunteer organization. And should they reject your demand, simply found your own council, seeking those who are in the community, who reflect the values of scouting, to lead that council and continue the tradition of an all volunteer organization.
Because the simple truth is: National doesn’t have enough money to sue every boy scout troop into submission. Yes, they’ve already taken your troop’s trust funds and blown them away, they’ve taken scout camps and sold them off, only to lease them back, along with every string attached that comes with letting others determine your agenda. And once you’ve got your council squared away, reject the national oversight.
You have no need of permission to be a scout, no need for professional scouts, nor the decisions they make only to gain funds to continue professional scouting. When Caterpillar cuts donations, that doesn’t mean that your troop can’t afford a camp out, that means that national can’t afford to hire more people, pay bigger benefits, handle retirement benefits - in other words, the funds for these big ‘donors’ are just going to fund the national organization.
Anything that departs from the core of scouting, of an all volunteer organization, should be rejected. That is the only vote that really matters. It can be scary to do something alone - get other troops to go with you. Because this really isn’t about gays wearing the scouting uniform, it is about restoring the real authorities back. A duty to God, country and obeying the scout law.
The BS is now a mere for-profit corporation. I would have no more heartburn leaving the BSA than I would not shopping a store.
I would never allow my son to stay in the Scouts. Fighting for the Scouts means you’re fighting for the a-holes that allowed gays.
In 10 years it will look like the Russian River in CA. Bath houses and such. The ink is not even dry and they are clamoring for gay scout masters (with lots of assistants). I sure wouldn't send my kids to be meat for the chicken hawks nor to be scouted by gay boys for their pimps.
The vote killed it. There’s no revival of morals in an organization that caves to evil.
The Left fights with a very long time horizon. Their capture of the Boy Scouts didn't happen overnight, It was predetermined long before that meeting. A key thing about the Left is that they don't call the vote until they know the outcome.
This applies to school boards, church vestries or councils, civic organizations, and to Congress itself.
WE look on the "democratic" vote as the place to start fighting. THEY never stop fighting, and they look at the voting as a ceremony to confirm and to legitimize their victory.
The BSA national organization has slowly been reconfigured, over the past 40 years or so, to permit this outcome. I believe that you will find, when you look into it, that you will not be allowed to elect a board majority to reverse this decision. After all, "the armies of socialism march in only one direction".
And suppose after years of organization, you get a majority that reverses. The lawsuit against you is already drafted. The dissent in BSA v. Dale will certainly become the majority opinion now that the wise Latina and the wiser Kagan are on the Court. Especially since (as I am sure has happened) grants are already in place to fund "studies" all of which are going to show no harm to the "core mission" of BSA, which will undoubtedly, be defined by the "researchers" as part of the grant application process.
The Left is formidable. They are organized, they are persistent, they never flag, they have their eyes on the prize. Now, they are much stronger because they are so close to victory that they can almost taste it.
They are much, much too powerful to be suppressed by peaceful civic organizing and by "democracy".
Their fatal flaw remains that while millions will kill for socialism, few will die for it when push comes to shove.
Best of luck with your efforts - but realize what you are up against, and don' t get discouraged because you've lost this battle already (IMO). It was a battle in a long war that started in 1789 in a foreign place - the very year the Constitution went into effect, it's principal enemy was rising to the East.
Please recognize the war for what it is.
My son’s troop and I are fighting, too. We will keep our troop morally straight.
The members they will lose are the very ones that would vote for reversing the policy. If the God fearing members all leave, the organization will never reverse policy. But there may be an opportunity next summer to reverse the policy, before many members leave.
Your ignorance is near total. I would ask that you become knowledgeable before administering the tar and feathers over an issue you totally misunderstand.
You bitch and moan and writhe in the bliss of total lack of understanding for BSA and operational policies.
There are more pedo adults in churches than in BSA
The cost of lawsuits against them is astronomical.
The question is where do the Mormon's stand? "If" Mormons voted as a block to allow gays, then I'd agree that the organization is dead.
But Mormons have in the past taken a stand against gay marriage. But then Romney called for the scouts to allow gays. So I'm not sure where Mormon's stand on the issue. They may need to clean house of their delegates.
The other question is are Mormon's using their influence in the Scouts to promote Mormonism? That would be a problem too.
That really depends on whether the delegates that voted truly represent their troops. It's entirely possible that gays infiltrated and volunteered to be delegates in order to win the vote. And if the churches respond and weed out these delegates they can reverse this.
It's going to take a lot of troops asking the tough questions and making sure that they are sending the right delegates to reverse this. But it is possible.