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Southern Baptists condemn Boy Scouts over admission of gays
FoxNews.com ^ | 6-12-2013 | FoxNews.com

Posted on 06/12/2013 12:02:39 PM PDT by servo1969

HOUSTON – The Southern Baptist Convention, which represents thousands of churches that sponsor Boy Scout troops, approved a resolution opposing accepting gay scouts - with a top church leader predicting a "mass exodus" of youths from the program that has been a rite of passage for more than a century.

The move came as the convention held its annual, four-day meeting in Houston, and three weeks after the Boy Scouts of America voted to allow gay youth to join. With more than two-thirds of Boy Scout troops sponsored by religious organizations, and Baptists being the nation's largest protestant denomination, the strongly-worded resolution could have a crippling effect on the Boy Scouts.

"There will be a mass exodus over time," said Frank Page, president of the Southern Baptist Convention Executive Committee. “Churches are finally going to have to come to realize – there is a point when you say, ‘sorry, no more.’"

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I can imagine the attitude of the gay proponents in the BSA leadership is, "Good."
1 posted on 06/12/2013 12:02:39 PM PDT by servo1969
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To: servo1969
The Southern Baptist Convention, which represents thousands of churches that sponsor Boy Scout troops, approved a resolution opposing accepting gay scouts - with a top church leader predicting a "mass exodus" of youths from the program that has been a rite of passage for more than a century.

The move came as the convention held its annual, four-day meeting in Houston, and three weeks after the Boy Scouts of America voted to allow gay youth to join. With more than two-thirds of Boy Scout troops sponsored by religious organizations, and Baptists being the nation's largest protestant denomination, the strongly-worded resolution could have a crippling effect on the Boy Scouts.

"There will be a mass exodus over time," said Frank Page, president of the Southern Baptist Convention Executive Committee. “Churches are finally going to have to come to realize – there is a point when you say, ‘sorry, no more.’"

Ping for later

2 posted on 06/12/2013 12:06:24 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: servo1969

Anyone sane condemns the Boy Scouts over admission of gays.


3 posted on 06/12/2013 12:08:42 PM PDT by South40
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To: South40

A major religious denomination has just put its foot down.

Thank goodness! The pushback has begun.


4 posted on 06/12/2013 12:10:50 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: Alex Murphy

You will NEVER send your boy to camp with a homosexual. The Boy Scouts are therefore Dead. Fags won, topic over.


5 posted on 06/12/2013 12:11:30 PM PDT by golux
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To: servo1969

good but what is the action?


6 posted on 06/12/2013 12:12:49 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: servo1969

I won’t have my son involved with the Blow Scouts and that perversion.


7 posted on 06/12/2013 12:13:33 PM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: golux

what kind of sicko would send their kid to a group which will have men who are sexually attracted to boys ?

I;m talking my boys out of joining the military and seals right now because of this perversion let along boy scouts


8 posted on 06/12/2013 12:14:08 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: golux

That was the goal - they didn’t want to join the Scouts, they wanted to destroy the Scouts.

Just as in the marriage issue - they don’t really want to get married, they want to destroy marriage.


9 posted on 06/12/2013 12:15:09 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: servo1969
Fire up a new organization if one hasn't been created already that promotes healthy godly behavior and forbids deviant behavior (like the BSA - in their code of ethics but not in their actions, like physicians abandonment of their Hippocratic Oath)).

The light of Life and darkness of the world is becoming more distinct. Jesus is coming soon.

10 posted on 06/12/2013 12:15:21 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: servo1969

Condemn? More is needed. A serious recommendation by the Southern Baptists for members of the congregation to immediately remove their child from the GBSA (Gay Boy Scouts of America) should be forthcoming.


11 posted on 06/12/2013 12:15:40 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: manc

If your boys listen to you about the military, they are not men and undesirable in the military any way


12 posted on 06/12/2013 12:18:30 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Who will shoot Liberty Valence?)
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To: golux

Yep. Let the BAa self destruct under the influx of pedophile sexual assaults that are about to begin. The Catholic Church’s des ensign into hell over it will be pale by comparison.


13 posted on 06/12/2013 12:19:16 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: MrB
Bingo.

The Gay agenda is an unrelenting attack on marriage and the Bible. Our response must be as, if not more, unrelenting. Greater is he that is in you than he that is in the world (1 John 4:4).

14 posted on 06/12/2013 12:19:49 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: servo1969
It's not only this, but the Boy Scouts now have a gay pride merit badge, and is teaching gay tolerence instead of silly things like traditional values or surviving in the woods. Although they have ended their ban on gay scouts, not yet their ban an gay leaders. I suppose that's next, however. It's the next logical step. Where do you think they get thsese ideas...?

"I think that, uh, you know, my attitude is, is that gays and lesbians should have, uh, access, and, and, opportunity, uh, the same way everybody else does, uh, in every institution and walk of life, and, um, you know, the, the Scouts are a great institution, uh, that, are, uh, promoting, uh, young people and exposing them to, uh, you know, opportunities, and, and..."
15 posted on 06/12/2013 12:20:31 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: jsanders2001

Yep. Let the BSA self destruct under the influx of pedophile sexual assaults that are about to begin. The Catholic Church’s descension into hell over it will be pale by comparison.


16 posted on 06/12/2013 12:20:45 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: servo1969

If the Scouts lose their sponsors they can apply for a grant from the Valentino Liberace Foundation.


17 posted on 06/12/2013 12:21:26 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: servo1969

So...they condemn the change but they’re not ending their association with the Scouts? Kind of a mixed message in that, isn’ there?


18 posted on 06/12/2013 12:22:25 PM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: bert

might have something to do with I;ve been there as has all the family and they respect their elders and to say they might be not fit, then you are speaking out of your ass with all due respect because you have no frigging idea who they are or what my kids are about


19 posted on 06/12/2013 12:22:49 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: PapaNew

Think about the relative numbers of homosexuals
and then their disproportionate effects on society.

Others are simply using “gay rights” as a spearpoint to attack their True Enemy - Christ and His Church.


20 posted on 06/12/2013 12:23:01 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: servo1969
My Letter to the Boy Scouts regarding their new Amdissions POlicy

They will not be getting another dime of my money or support.

The very idea that an Eagle Scout could be an openly practicing homo makes me sick to my stomach. It is the antithesis of the scout oath.

The Boy Scout Oath:

On my honor, I will do my best
To do my duty to God and my country,
and to obey the Scout Law;
To help other people at all times;
To keep myself physically strong,
mentally awake and morally straight.
Those words mean something, and you cannot change them simply because people with literally queer notions come along and demand it.

You cannot do your duty to God, or be morally straight, by accepting openly gay/homo behavior as a part of scouting.

21 posted on 06/12/2013 12:23:07 PM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: bert

have you served so you can pass that judgment, have you seen pals blown up and have you met my boys.

no

they come top of their class, received awards from the top sheriff to ROTC to saving a life, next time think before you want to insult


22 posted on 06/12/2013 12:24:18 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: manc

Here is a list of Christian alternatives to the Boy Scouts.
Conservative Boy Scout Alternatives
http://tamarawilhite.hubpages.com/hub/Conservative-Boy-Scout-Alternatives

If you know of other alternatives, let me know.


23 posted on 06/12/2013 12:27:54 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: tbw2

thank you, that is a good list for all to see


24 posted on 06/12/2013 12:29:36 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: manc

Two thumbs up...


25 posted on 06/12/2013 12:31:42 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Iscool

thanks, but that pissed me off, my oldest was to join seals so to say he might not be fit for a military pisses me off.

I;ve seen combat and don’t want my boys to see it, I don’t want them to fight for a Govt which would rather spy on us and not care about him.
Why should he lose limbs or his life while those who send him there care more about cocktail parties but to have someone say they are not men because they listen to me is out and out wrong.

My kids know I have been there, seen the problems I have had and they respect my knowledge and those who are older than themselves, never do they address someone and not say sir or mam and the help their elders


26 posted on 06/12/2013 12:35:11 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: servo1969

Thank GOD!!!!


27 posted on 06/12/2013 12:35:25 PM PDT by EXCH54FE (Hurricane 416,Feisty Old Vet !!)
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To: bert; manc
Wow.

Really?

Why attack someone's kids who you've never met? Unbelievable.

28 posted on 06/12/2013 12:40:02 PM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs stay silent.)
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To: 0.E.O

They will see it as a chance to witness to the sinner, that is until they get sued for it.


29 posted on 06/12/2013 12:45:31 PM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: servo1969

” The nation’s largest Protestant denomination stopped short of calling for its member churches to boycott the Boy Scouts”...

Why was this little blurb (1st line of article) left out of the preview???

The condemnation they issued is IRRELEVANT and USELESS because
they failed to call for a boycott and separation.

They might as well have said “we are ok with it”.

Next year we will find out who the real target of this BSA policy change was.

Churches that continue to sponsor scout troops will now be extremely vulnerable to discrimination lawsuits that we know are coming... and the plaintiffs will win now because of this BSA policy change.


30 posted on 06/12/2013 12:46:58 PM PDT by Safrguns (PM me if you like to play Minecraft!)
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To: PapaNew
Fire up a new organization if one hasn't been created already that promotes healthy godly behavior and forbids deviant behavior...

How about Royal Rangers, around for 50 years, since 1962.

31 posted on 06/12/2013 12:47:49 PM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: Telepathic Intruder

“...the Boy Scouts now have a gay pride merit badge...”

You’re kidding, right? Please tell me you’re just kidding.


32 posted on 06/12/2013 12:48:26 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: manc

I share your feelings, having been there I did not want mine to go for this government but they did in true Corps fashion and each did three in the sandbox and are now out. I have one left at home and I am trying to encourage him into something else.


33 posted on 06/12/2013 12:49:03 PM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: tbw2
If you know of other alternatives, let me know.

That list leaves off Royal Rangers (www.royalrangers.com).

34 posted on 06/12/2013 12:51:20 PM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: Telepathic Intruder
It's not only this, but the Boy Scouts now have a gay pride merit badge ...

This is patently false. The Boy Scouts do not have a gay pride merit badge. There are many good reasons to oppose the BSA's recent actions to allow self-identified gays under 18 to become members. There is reason to be concerned that this action may in the future lead to other more extreme policy changes.

However, it is counterproductive to conservative causes to state incorrect information like that. Myself and many others look to this site for information we can use to inform others in everyday conversation, and if we end up citing information that is just plain false, it reflects badly on the conservative cause.

35 posted on 06/12/2013 12:51:45 PM PDT by CaptainMorgantown
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To: MrB
Bingo (again).

The spirit of Anti-Christ is pervasive but is focused and strong in the Democratic Party because it is the spirit of the so-called Progressive movement begun in the late 1800's/early 1900's from which the bulk of the Democratic Party derives.

(I find it fascinating the many things including the Progressive Movement/Fabian Society/Marxism/Humanism/legal "realism", etc. coincides with the church age moving from the Philadelphia age to the Laodicean age which I believe took place around 1900. We are living in an exciting time - the age that will see a triumphant return of Jesus with His triumphant church.)

36 posted on 06/12/2013 12:51:50 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: Resolute Conservative

I’m glad you understand, I think the military I served in has changed in the last few years and they would be better at not going through with what I did and they have seen my nightmares and it’s not pretty.

thank you and good luck to your boys


37 posted on 06/12/2013 12:52:03 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: CA Conservative

It’d be nice to hear more about how worth while and healthy the Royal Rangers are these days as a way of influencing a mass migration from the BSA.


38 posted on 06/12/2013 12:54:40 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: Jane Long; manc

Bert has been trolling the BSA threads, basically accusing anyone who leaves over the gay issue of being disloyal and unworthy of being a Scout in the first place. Just ignore him - he has his head in a very dark and smelly place...


39 posted on 06/12/2013 12:54:57 PM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: manc

It is not the Reagan military I was in, that is for sure.


40 posted on 06/12/2013 12:55:01 PM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: CA Conservative

OK thank you , I did not know that


41 posted on 06/12/2013 1:00:00 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: CaptainMorgantown
This is patently false. The Boy Scouts do not have a gay pride merit badge.

It is true that the BSA does not have such a badge, but there is a group that offers such a merit badge for Scouts - from a pro-gay group called Scouting for All. Also, the Boston-area council tried in 2002 to create a "diversity" merit badge that included a homosexual component. (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/699745/posts). I don't know if they were ever disciplined by the national BSA or not.

42 posted on 06/12/2013 1:00:55 PM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: Resolute Conservative

sure isn’t


43 posted on 06/12/2013 1:01:05 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: CA Conservative

yuck


44 posted on 06/12/2013 1:02:05 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: PapaNew
Here is a little bit of info from the website:

Our Mentoring METHODS
Boys will be boys! They are God-designed to be assertive, competitive, and energetic. Our experienced mentors provide needed guidance, discipline, and structure, using the methods described below.

Friendship
Our mentors are committed to insuring friendship charges our ministry atmosphere. Boys develop lifelong friends in Royal Rangers and meet wholesome men, who will affirm them and who they can look up to.

Activities
Royal Rangers is about hands-on adventure and side-by-side relationship building. It's how boys learn and relate best. Beyond the fun, boys discover they have what it takes to be men as they spend time with mentors outdoors, in the gym, at the computer, on the service project site, or on the stage. Royal Rangers provides boys with fun activities in five areas of interest, which we refer to as our "core competencies": Outdoor Activities, Sports, Trade Skills, Technologies, and Arts. Many activities in Royal Rangers involve earning merits, which are awards based on the development of skills in one or more of these core areas. A complete list of the merits used in Royal Rangers can be found on our Merit Index page.

Advancement System
In Royal Rangers, boys and young men are challenged to embark on an adventure that requires them to participate actively. It is a spiritual journey that will forge their character and maximize their leadership potential. To the uneducated eye, boys are just learning survival skills in the wilderness, playing sports, producing a music video, repairing the home of an elderly person, etc., but in the process, our mentors are intentional about laying biblical foundations of sexual expression, worldview, culture, manhood, and leadership. By awarding merit badges, boys are guided on a measurable, personal, and spiritual growth process. (They think they are just having fun, so let's keep that our secret!)

Interactive Learning
Personal development in Royal Rangers is all about hands-on fun and getting dirty! Boys learn by hearing, seeing, doing, and when appropriate, teaching others. It's learning by doing.

Uniforms
Boys want to belong! Royal Rangers gives young men who want to band together to serve Christ wholeheartedly that place of belonging and an image and identity of which to be proud.

Patrol System
Young men want to influence and try their wings. Guys-only small groups allow boys to have fun together, share responsibility for leadership, learn teamwork, and grow spiritually.

Service & Ministry Outreach
"It's not all about me!" This is a lesson boys learn in Royal Rangers. Meaningful opportunities are provided for young men to move beyond themselves to help others, instilling attitudes and behaviors of lifelong servants.

Read more at RoyalRangers.com.

45 posted on 06/12/2013 1:09:03 PM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: CaptainMorgantown

You know, I do think I’m mixing this up with the global warming merit badge. I don’t often make these types of mistakes, by the way. It’s better if I can be caught early doing it. But we know there is an agenda that is being pushed into the Boy Scouts with both these issues.


46 posted on 06/12/2013 1:09:53 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: CA Conservative
Also check out Frontiersmen Camping Fellowship, a group associated with Royal Rangers but focuses on primitive camping and the associated skills - blackpowder rifles, knife and tomahawk, campfire cooking, etc. It is for older boys, so you couldn't put your 8-year old in it, but it is a great program for teenagers and adults.
47 posted on 06/12/2013 1:16:53 PM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: servo1969

Show me a Boy Scout— or anyone else— who can’t keep his piehole shut about being “openly gay” and I’ll show you one who can’t possibly keep the “morally straight” part of the scout oath.


48 posted on 06/12/2013 1:24:14 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: CA Conservative

I repeat, the BSA does not offer a Gay Pride merit badge. The first example you cite is a non-scouting group offering a pretend badge. The second example you cite is some kind of diversity program that a single Boston area council proposed in 2002. Local councils cannot offer their own merit badges.

There are many reasons to be concerned about the recent policy change by the BSA, but it does the cause of conservatives no good to spread false information.


49 posted on 06/12/2013 1:25:10 PM PDT by CaptainMorgantown
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To: CaptainMorgantown

I was not disagreeing with you - I was merely pointing out why someone might have thought otherwise...


50 posted on 06/12/2013 1:28:49 PM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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