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Phone Sex, Banks & Google for Emails: The NSA Spying Is Bigger Than Verizon
The Atlantic Wire ^ | June 6, 2013 | Elspeth Reeve

Posted on 06/06/2013 3:09:38 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

The National Security Agency's warrant for metadata on every single Verizon call for three months is jaw-dropping in its scope. Except, well, the NSA's surveillance of our communications is most likely much, much bigger than that. Technology has made it possible for the American government to spy on citizens to an extent East Germany could only dream of. Basically everything we say that can be traced digitally is being collected by the NSA. We're supposed to trust that our government will be much better behaved, but they're not, and the White House almost admits it. That doesn't mean they're admitting everything.

"On its face, the document suggests that the U.S. government regularly collects and stores all domestic telephone records," The Week's Marc Ambinder writes of Glenn Greenwald's scoop last night. "My own understanding is that the NSA routinely collects millions of domestic-to-domestic phone records. It does not do anything with them unless there is a need to search through them for lawful purposes." Previous reporting from many outlets suggests that's true. In 2006, USA Today's Leslie Cauley reported the NSA was secretly collecting call records with data from AT&T, Verizon, and BellSouth. A source told Cauley, "It's the largest database ever assembled in the world" and that the NSA wanted "to create a database of every call ever made" within U.S. territory. Likewise, in 2011, The New Yorker's Jane Mayer spoke to former NSA crypto-mathematician Bill Binney, who "believes that the agency now stores copies of all e-mails transmitted in America, in case the government wants to retrieve the details later."(continued)

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: criminalgovernemnt; fbi; govtabuse; nsa; openborders; policestate; prism; spying; spyingoncitizens; tyranny; unsecureborders; wideopenborders
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1 posted on 06/06/2013 3:09:38 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"My own understanding is that the NSA routinely collects millions of domestic-to-domestic phone records. It does not do anything with them unless there is a need to search through them for lawful purposes."

That's like searching millions of domestic homes, cars, and persons, and not doing anything with what they find unless there is a need to for "lawful" purposes. Used to be that evidence obtained without a warrant was not admissible.
2 posted on 06/06/2013 3:14:09 PM PDT by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Caviar?....portabella?..Stasi?”


3 posted on 06/06/2013 3:14:45 PM PDT by PATRIOT1876 (The only crimes that are 100% preventable are crimes committed by illegal aliens)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Just heard on FOX that the WaPo is reporting aprogram called prism that makes the Verizon phone records look like nothing


4 posted on 06/06/2013 3:15:19 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

And yet still American lives were lost in terrorist attacks on Ft. Hood, Boston, and Benghazi. Strikes that our national security offices knew about in advance. So much for the lie that this is to make us safer.

Obama already surrendered the war on terror. This is data mining and nothing else.


5 posted on 06/06/2013 3:20:13 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Tried to explain Google to a couple co-workers several years ago — they dismissed as tinfoil with smirks and laughs.

One read a little farther into a news article. Some people are just incredibly slow on the uptake.


6 posted on 06/06/2013 3:24:47 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
And the NSA isn't just collecting the things we say. It's also tracking what we buy and where we go.

Uh, now look, that five-speed musical vibrator was for a friend, all right?

7 posted on 06/06/2013 3:25:34 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Well, I know now where the idea for “Person of Interest” on CBS came from.


8 posted on 06/06/2013 3:35:21 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: Billthedrill
Nothing here, folks, just another watchdog function of the government to ensure the unemployment rate drops before the 2014 congressional elections.

Think TSA on steroids. Hire thousands to mine for digital gold for homeland security and come up with nothing to show for it but employment for the unemployable.

With great benefits, I might add.

Will have to bring the Morse code back to plot anything of significance.

9 posted on 06/06/2013 3:38:48 PM PDT by urbanpovertylawcenter (where the law and poverty collide in an urban setting and sparks fly)
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To: SE Mom

Total Information Awareness, if you remember that would-be office from back in the day.

In theory it never took off, but I can’t say I’m surprised it came to life anyway. Admiral Poindexter’s idea, if I’m recalling correctly.

Welcome to the Brave New World, folks. Hell, they probably know what time people drop a deuce in the morning.


10 posted on 06/06/2013 3:51:44 PM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: urbanpovertylawcenter
I have a friend that, as soon as he retired, ditched every piece of electronic equipment he had. Hard to get a hold of, but hard to track too...

I've told mine that when the SHTF to smash/ditch their "smartphones" immediately, disconnect their computers from the internet, and hunker down. Walkie-talkies, CB, and Ham radio is coming back into style (just don't get DF'd)....

11 posted on 06/06/2013 4:01:01 PM PDT by Dubh_Ghlase (Therefore, send not to know For whom the bell tolls, It tolls for thee.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

have to wonder just how many people are being blackmailed


12 posted on 06/06/2013 4:09:21 PM PDT by Lera (Proverbs 29:2)
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To: Lera
have to wonder just how many people are being blackmailed

This.

13 posted on 06/06/2013 4:10:45 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Lera

Justice Roberts. No doubt in my mind.


14 posted on 06/06/2013 4:11:36 PM PDT by rintense
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To: Dubh_Ghlase

“...DF’d...”
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What’s that?


15 posted on 06/06/2013 4:12:30 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“It’s the largest database ever assembled in the world”

Isn’t that what that dingbat congresswoman said...
“Obama knows everything about everybody...”


16 posted on 06/06/2013 4:14:53 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Remember: The NSA Utah Data Center will capture every digital phone call as a bit stream. With the log data and the algorithm by which to search the stream, they can tap the call without a warrant.


17 posted on 06/06/2013 4:18:08 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (An economy is not a zero-sum game, but politics usually is.)
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To: rintense

No doubt


18 posted on 06/06/2013 4:18:42 PM PDT by Lera (Proverbs 29:2)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Why? Because you made a phone call!
19 posted on 06/06/2013 4:20:16 PM PDT by cornelis
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To: tet68

So this means that if I call the aliens from Tau Ceti,
or they call me, NSA won’t know what we talk about but
will know their number??? I don’t blame them,
I tried to look up the alien’s phone number on the
computer the other night and gave up after an hour,
there were so many leads and they wanted between
$1.95 and $12 dollars for the actual number...


20 posted on 06/06/2013 4:20:31 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

reset
geting pushed closer.


21 posted on 06/06/2013 4:23:00 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: urbanpovertylawcenter

Welcome to your digital anal exam from doctor O.


22 posted on 06/06/2013 4:26:16 PM PDT by Lets Roll NOW (A baby isn't a punishment, Obama is)
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To: Lets Roll NOW

When obamacare kicks in it’ll be the only exam you’ll get.


23 posted on 06/06/2013 4:27:02 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“If you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly, you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance for survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.” — Winston Churchill


24 posted on 06/06/2013 4:28:09 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Repeal The 17th

Direction Finding, or triangulation of a radio signal.


25 posted on 06/06/2013 4:35:34 PM PDT by bitterohiogunclinger (Proudly casting a heavy carbon footprint as I clean my guns ---)
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To: bitterohiogunclinger

danke


26 posted on 06/06/2013 4:37:21 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

And the left went nuts at the mere suggestion that the feds might soy on what books you are checking out of the public library.


27 posted on 06/06/2013 4:41:19 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: urbanpovertylawcenter

What about using that encryption program called Pretty Good Privacy?

Has it been cracked, and if so, how long did it take to crack it?


28 posted on 06/06/2013 4:51:11 PM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Every American is now a suspected Terrorist, you just haven't been caught yet.
If you disagree with being IRS'd and Tapped then you have something to hide and should be
dealt with, with the Iron fist of Obama/Holder, including your entire family.
29 posted on 06/06/2013 4:52:07 PM PDT by MaxMax
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’d hate to be “that guy” but back when Bush was pushing the Patriot Act, a lot of people were attacked for opposing it.

Back then I thought, what happens if Hillary (I didn’t even know who Obummer was at the time) becomes President? But a lot of so called conservatives foamed at the mouth, squashed dissent, and pushed these government powers down our throats in a fit of post-911 hysteria.

Now we are reaping the rewards of their shortsightedness.


30 posted on 06/06/2013 4:54:46 PM PDT by frickin_frackin
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

When my paternal grandfather, who left Russia at the tail end of the Revolution to gain freedom for himself and his then-future kids, went back to visit his remaining family in 1969, every single conversation of import was done via a long walk outside - and away from benches on the street or streetlights.

I fear that we are going to be reduced to the same here. There are so many laws and regulations of which we are not even aware, that every single person probably breaks the law several times a day. Now they have that much more leverage on us. That reminds me of Ayn Rand’s quote from “Atlas Shrugged”:

“Did you really think we want those laws observed?” said Dr. Ferris. “We WANT them to be broken. You’d better get it straight that it’s not a bunch of boy scouts you’re up against... We’re after power and we mean it... There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What’s there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted — and you create a nation of law-breakers — and then you cash in on guilt. Now that’s the system Mr. Reardon, that’s the game, and once you understand it, you’ll be much easier to deal with.”


31 posted on 06/06/2013 4:55:35 PM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Nowhere in this article did I read ‘Facebook’ or ‘Twitter’. Why protect them?


32 posted on 06/06/2013 5:03:30 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: bitterohiogunclinger; Dubh_Ghlase; Repeal The 17th

Radio signals can be triangulated indeed.

The problem with CB, walkie talkies and ham radio is that they are all radio signals that can be df’ed.

Cb’ers operating out-of-band have been busted, and so have hams that have done the same.

Also the AM radio bootleggers; some of them were only using very low power transmitters covering only a few miles radius....

They weren’t the big guys offshore (boat/island/etc) using high-power rigs either.

Btw the high power guys got busted too.

Just a heads-up from a long-time techies.


33 posted on 06/06/2013 5:03:36 PM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: tet68
I remember seeing that comment here in a thread not too long ago.

What's interesting when I look for that comment via a search engine all I get is a single reference. It's to what you posted 40 minutes ago.

I believe it was Congresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee.

34 posted on 06/06/2013 5:05:37 PM PDT by VideoDoctor
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To: tet68
I remember seeing that comment here in a thread not too long ago.

What's interesting when I look for that comment via a search engine all I get is a single reference. It's to what you posted 40 minutes ago.

I believe it was Congresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee.

Can you, or someone, locate that statement and when she made it?

35 posted on 06/06/2013 5:08:43 PM PDT by VideoDoctor
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

Facebook and twitter have already been compromised.

Facebook accounts have been deleted when the poster wrote something that disagreed with the “party line”.

I use that term “party line” because that’s what we have now; the old phone system that had multiple people on one line, the neighbor could hear what you were saying.

Only now the “neighbor” is the feds, and they are NOT good neighbors!


36 posted on 06/06/2013 5:09:54 PM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: VideoDoctor; tet68

Check this link:

http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/off-topic/192252-maxine-waters-obamas-database-knows-everything-about-everyone-3-print.html

Grab it before it vanishes, it wasn’t Lee, it was Waters.

I used a different search engine ;)


37 posted on 06/06/2013 5:29:54 PM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: VideoDoctor; tet68

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2TNrlIv2bY&feature=player_embedded

Found this when I went to the first page of the discussion.


38 posted on 06/06/2013 5:33:02 PM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: WildHighlander57

Thanks. Much appreciated.


39 posted on 06/06/2013 5:45:06 PM PDT by VideoDoctor
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To: Ancesthntr
every single conversation of import was done via a long walk outside - and away from benches on the street or streetlights.

The bloc babushkas, school teachers, and assorted bureaucrats had a keen sense of hearing, or at least the people feared that there was always one trolling for intel. Residents readily perceived when an indiscreet neighbor would mysteriously disappear.

Makes me consider that the Soviets' motives for keeping that info away from the West was not so much to limit exposure to the generation living at that time, but to the future generations of the brainwashed West. When history was doomed to repeat, there would be no inconvenient history. The few scraps remaining could be dismissed as relics of a long-dead era. Ironic, considering that the totalitarians of today are all about accessing, collecting, and abusing electronic history footprints. When despots can craft history into a weapon, despots love history.

40 posted on 06/06/2013 6:03:06 PM PDT by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Valerie Jarrett.

5.56mm

41 posted on 06/06/2013 6:06:36 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: WildHighlander57
the AM radio bootleggers; some of them were only using very low power transmitters covering only a few miles radius....

Is that still going on? I can remember back in 1958, when I was a teenager, I knew another teenager, especially oriented toward electronics, who built and operated a radio station that transmitted an AM signal that traveled on power lines and broadcast quality radio to homes in the vicinity. Completely legal, in this case.

Being interested in a radio career, I participated as an announcer/DJ on this cool station. It was good training.

42 posted on 06/06/2013 6:29:39 PM PDT by OldPossum
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To: OldPossum

Still going on at least up to the mid 90’s; during the klintoon era there were alot of them rebroadcasting satellite audio from anti klintoon broadcasters.

Not sure now

Interesting about using the AC wires ;)


43 posted on 06/06/2013 6:56:11 PM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: WildHighlander57

Thanks, I went back through my posts but couldn’t find
it.


44 posted on 06/06/2013 7:09:11 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Those pushing and voting for the Patriot Act made the unfortunate error of assuming there would never be a Marxist dick-tator in the White House.

Read my tag. Screw ‘em double time.


45 posted on 06/06/2013 7:13:05 PM PDT by upchuck (To the faceless, jack-booted government bureaucrat who just scanned this post: SCREW YOU!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Think of all that delicious blackmail material. But the regime would never use it, Right? Right?


46 posted on 06/06/2013 8:57:33 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Plan "B" is now Plan "A")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

A few years ago, I disengaged from Facebook, because the information on display was too personal. Friends and family all mocked my “Paranoia”.

Well, here we are, two years later, and FB is just the tip of a humungous iceberg.


47 posted on 06/07/2013 6:21:36 AM PDT by left that other site (You Shall Know the Truth, and the Truth Shall Set You Free...John 8:32)
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To: WildHighlander57
What about using that encryption program called Pretty Good Privacy?

If it's been cracked then the NSA would be the LAST place that would admit it.

48 posted on 06/07/2013 8:26:24 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: frickin_frackin
Back then I thought, what happens if Hillary (I didn’t even know who Obummer was at the time) becomes President? But a lot of so called conservatives foamed at the mouth, squashed dissent, and pushed these government powers down our throats in a fit of post-911 hysteria.

This is something that I'm simply astounded more people don't ask: how can this be used against me. -- You can see the same things in the War on Drugs and how letting the 4th, 5th, 6th, 8th, amendments be violated "because they're druggies and/or drug-runners" has degraded those amendments for the rest of us.

49 posted on 06/07/2013 8:32:20 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Ancesthntr
ar that we are going to be reduced to the same here. There are so many laws and regulations of which we are not even aware, that every single person probably breaks the law several times a day. Now they have that much more leverage on us.

Three Felonies a Day

50 posted on 06/07/2013 8:34:45 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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