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‘Beggar’ with a ‘hungry and homeless’ sign raked in £300 A DAY while living in a £300,000 flat
Daily Mail (UK) ^ | 11:55 EST, 5 June 2013 | Simon Tomlinson

Posted on 06/05/2013 12:54:58 PM PDT by Olog-hai

A “beggar” who claimed he was homeless and hungry for years was earning £50,000-plus ($76,690+) a year and living it up in a £300,000 ($460,140) flat, a court heard.

Simon Wright, 37, sat outside a NatWest bank in his tatty clothes with his sleeping bag, his dog, and a handwritten sign telling of his plight. Generous passers-by took pity on him and regularly gave him £200 ($306.76) to £300 ($460.14) a day. After “work”, he went home to his smart council flat, in Fulham, west London. …

The council’s community safety spokesman, Councillor Jonathan Cook, said: “Anyone who lives, works or shops in and around Putney High Street will be mightily relieved to see this unpleasant individual given his marching orders. He deliberately targeted people making cash withdrawals from this cash point and was extremely aggressive and abusive to anyone who refused to give him money. Many people felt frightened and intimidated by him, and there is some evidence to suggest that he used his dog to threaten and pressure people into handing over their cash.” …

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: fraud; homeless; nothomeless; phonybeggar
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‘Beggar’ who sat outside Natwest bank with a ‘hungry and homeless’ sign raked in £300 A DAY while living in a £300,000 flat
How would you punish this?
1 posted on 06/05/2013 12:54:58 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Make him work.


2 posted on 06/05/2013 12:56:36 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: Olog-hai

Happens here more than you know.


3 posted on 06/05/2013 12:57:37 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (I voted Republican, no Conservative was on the ballot.)
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To: Olog-hai
Well, let's start by taking him into custody, seizing his assets, charging him with fraud (thousands of counts) and once he gets back out, he can then go back to what he was doing since he will then actually be homeless.

Got a much better idea; how about cutting out the 300k homes, opening up all those spaces to young families who might actually eventually want to get a home, not to mention lowering the costs of rent and housing at the same time since you'll be removing the ‘floor’ that the council has established in rents. Eject everyone. If you feel bad about it, set up a tent city for them, see how long people will actually sit on their duffs and how many will suddenly find the ability to hunt for a job.

4 posted on 06/05/2013 12:59:47 PM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: Olog-hai

Punish him?

For what, excelling at capitalism?

False Advertising ?

Ability to manage money well ?


5 posted on 06/05/2013 1:00:47 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: Olog-hai

I keep telling folks that over half the ones here do this as their job. They are dropped of in the morning by a “pimp” if you will who gives them a cell phone and picked up in the evening. They split the proceeds. If they can collect more than $64 in an 8 hour day they are making out better than someone making $8/hr after you take out taxes. Homeless my ares.

Ever wonder why you don’t see them on weekends? Are they not homeless then as well. They are off just like you and I are...


6 posted on 06/05/2013 1:01:38 PM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: UCANSEE2

Capitalism is working for money, not begging or intimidating others. His outlook is highly communistic.


7 posted on 06/05/2013 1:01:45 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
punish him for what?

Not paying taxes on his income maybe?

8 posted on 06/05/2013 1:02:05 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Olog-hai

probably tax evasion.


9 posted on 06/05/2013 1:02:14 PM PDT by absolootezer0 (2x divorced tattooed pierced harley hatin meghan mccain luvin' REAL beer drinkin' smoker ..what?)
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To: TexasCajun

Fraud is fraud. Legalize fraud and that’s like legalizing communism.


10 posted on 06/05/2013 1:02:47 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Wasn’t there a Sherlock Holmes story about this?


11 posted on 06/05/2013 1:02:54 PM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it gettingthe so hot?)
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To: Olog-hai

He deliberately targeted people making cash withdrawals from this cash point and was extremely aggressive and abusive to anyone who refused to give him money. Many people felt frightened and intimidated by him, and there is some evidence to suggest that he used his dog to threaten and pressure people into handing over their cash.” …

OK. Now I see why you asked that question.

Gee... he sounds just like our IRS.


12 posted on 06/05/2013 1:03:43 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

My daughter in law spent about a year working as a social worker in San Francisco’s Tenderloin district setting up programs for the homeless for the Salvation Army.

She could point out each of the panhandlers along the waterfront and elsewhere who were into 6 figure incomes and who were picked up in Cadillacs at the end of a hard day of begging. These guys would fight to run others out of their “territory”.

Happens a lot more than most realize.


13 posted on 06/05/2013 1:05:04 PM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: Olog-hai
He had his hand out?

Explain how that is criminal.

14 posted on 06/05/2013 1:05:22 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: UCANSEE2

Intimidation, perhaps.


15 posted on 06/05/2013 1:05:32 PM PDT by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: Olog-hai

He was working on his resume to get a government job.


16 posted on 06/05/2013 1:05:38 PM PDT by twhitak
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To: Olog-hai

I won’t give to a person on the street. I will give to an organization that provides services and helps those who want to ease back in to society, to do so.


17 posted on 06/05/2013 1:05:42 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Funny thing happened on the way to the Constitution burning, Lefties rights were Iviolated...)
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To: Olog-hai

In selected places in Seattle the bums can make up to $1,000 a day. Once they get a few thou they go on a heroin binge and end up at Harborview Medical Center.


18 posted on 06/05/2013 1:06:13 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (IÂ’m not a Republican, I'm a Conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: Olog-hai

He's 37??????

19 posted on 06/05/2013 1:07:41 PM PDT by BookmanTheJanitor
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To: Olog-hai

He was defrauding the welfare office if he taking taxpayer money and not reporting his earnings.


20 posted on 06/05/2013 1:07:56 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Olog-hai

I was reading these stories 50 years ago.


21 posted on 06/05/2013 1:11:17 PM PDT by ansel12 (Social liberalism/libertarianism, empowers, creates and imports, and breeds, economic liberals.)
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To: Olog-hai

I have a policy that protects me from these people; I never give money to anyone begging, ever. Never have. I would be humiliated to beg strangers for money and that’s the same way I feel about anyone who does beg. You have time to stand here all day? Then you have time to do something productive for someone and earn money. Oh, I see. Begging IS your job. You could at least entertain people in exchange for their generosity. Like this guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXMuWi0dUBc Now that’s worthy of a buck. But no, you just want free money. Oh, I see. Begging IS your job. Well, f you buddy.


22 posted on 06/05/2013 1:12:11 PM PDT by servo1969
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To: Resolute Conservative

There is a guy in Columbia Missouri. I laugh when I see him begging in his Nike shoes and NorthFace coat.


23 posted on 06/05/2013 1:12:34 PM PDT by chae (I was anti-Obama before it was cool)
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To: Olog-hai

I wish I didn’t have so much pride.


24 posted on 06/05/2013 1:13:14 PM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

We had a guy with no legs who used to come into the Firehouse to use the bathroom. The guy had a Monkey and used to sell pencils.

he traveled around on a platform with wheels and used a chunk of rubber to push himself along. He used the firehouse because the guys would lift him off his cart so he could use the toilet.

We played a lot of tricks on the guy and once we set off a firecracker and scared the crap out of his monkey.His monkey had a big funeral when it died (Not from the firecracker, from old age.) and he retired.

He had a home in Fla. and his wife picked him up in a Cadillac after his days work.

Oh!! Did I mention he also ran numbers.


25 posted on 06/05/2013 1:17:09 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: Little Ray

#11

‘The Man With the Twisted Lip’


26 posted on 06/05/2013 1:22:44 PM PDT by servo1969
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To: UCANSEE2
Punish him?

For what, excelling at capitalism?

Genuine capitalism doesn't involve fraud.

From the article:

After “work”, he went home to his smart council flat, in Fulham, west London. …
IIRC, a council flat is a taxpayer-paid housing benefit for the poor. Since he was making substantial income, he wasn't poor and his housing benefit was obtained by fraud.

I'd also presume that Britain has some sort of an income tax that he should have been paying on that (again, presumably) unreported income.

27 posted on 06/05/2013 1:23:41 PM PDT by Bob
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To: chae

No Kidding, most of these guys dress better than I do. And earn more too !!!


28 posted on 06/05/2013 1:26:59 PM PDT by refermech
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To: servo1969

That is the one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_with_the_Twisted_Lip


29 posted on 06/05/2013 1:30:09 PM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it gettingthe so hot?)
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To: Venturer

Yep


30 posted on 06/05/2013 1:37:12 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (I voted Republican, no Conservative was on the ballot.)
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To: Olog-hai

Obviously, I have ZERO respect for this scammer, but consider, the British legal system is doing something about him, and showing a lot of indignation about him personally,
yet they continue to funnel millions of pounds to discontent radical Muslims, who, as a reward for Brit largesse, threaten to destroy the entire UK.I am not saying they’ve got their “priorities” backwards, exactly, but there is a clear reason
why they come down hard on this guy, while only pretending to wrestle with the much tougher nuts to crack, the Muslims living on the dole, and mouthing off aggressively in the Mosques.In psychology, it’s called “displacement”.


31 posted on 06/05/2013 1:37:31 PM PDT by supremedoctrine
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To: RJS1950

Yes it does.


32 posted on 06/05/2013 1:38:18 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (I voted Republican, no Conservative was on the ballot.)
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To: Bob

Yeah... My responses were sarcasm, but I didn’t label it that way.

Plus, I had time to read more in depth, and have since mentioned that I see the crime.

Thanks for filling me in on more of the details. I haven’t had time to read the article at the link.

My bad.


33 posted on 06/05/2013 1:42:28 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: Olog-hai

I hate this so much. I wouldn’t care if they shot him. This just disgusts me to the core.


34 posted on 06/05/2013 1:43:27 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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To: Conspiracy Guy
Happens here more than you know.

AND it's not the only scam.

They have teams that sell 'novelty items' at intersections, such as kool-aid crystals in a straw, allegedly for some 'charity', which doesn't really exist.

They buy a carton 50 for a dollar, and sell them for a dollar a piece.

35 posted on 06/05/2013 1:45:53 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: TexasCajun

What, art a Marxist?

He did more than merely hold his “hand out” looking for a handout. He used his dog to try to intimidate people as well. And he lived in a completely government-subsidized apartment that was worth well over $400K. Capitalists work for a living.


36 posted on 06/05/2013 1:48:34 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: AppyPappy

Yeah, I saw that.

I was being sarcastic and no one caught it. (and I didn’t do a /s, so it’s my fault).


37 posted on 06/05/2013 1:48:40 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: Olog-hai
That's like here in New York city they say the bums rake in $200 a day which is at least $1000 a week no taxes. They had a story of a rookie cop last year who was foolish enough to buy a pair of shoes for a bum as the bum was walking around barefoot, and someone took a photo of it and it went viral. Then a few weeks later they found the same bum still walking around barefoot and not only that, living in an apartment paid for by the taxpayers. Hey why work when you can make pretend you're homeless with no shoes?

Anyway, and now another message from our brilliant media...


38 posted on 06/05/2013 1:48:47 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

I remember that story. The big “feel-good story” fizzled quickly.


39 posted on 06/05/2013 2:05:19 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
One chooses to be intimidated!

If I bug you, can I get some cash from you?

I already said there was fraud for not reporting his income and being on welfare.

40 posted on 06/05/2013 2:14:36 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Olog-hai

Also tax free, and with any other gov benefit he could ask for.


41 posted on 06/05/2013 2:16:09 PM PDT by I want the USA back (Pi$$ed off yet?)
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To: TexasCajun

So you regard begging as legitimate and capitalistic, versus working?

Your focus on fraud in the light of not reporting income for tax purposes bespeaks a non-capitalistic governmental outlook as well.


42 posted on 06/05/2013 2:23:49 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
You asked: "How would you punish this?"

I focused on your question!

If gullible people didn't fund his lifestyle maybe he'd have to find a legitimate job.

43 posted on 06/05/2013 2:33:33 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: TexasCajun
So why should what he did be legal in any instance?

Your “punishment” is with a communistic outlook. All it focuses on is non-reporting of the “income” to the government (and to blazes with the people he defrauded), and apparently not having a problem with his being on welfare since merely not reporting “income” while being on welfare was included. Capitalism involves honesty and will to work versus dishonesty and sloth; aught else smacks of socialism.
44 posted on 06/05/2013 2:38:50 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: kingu

Wasn’t that part of the purpose of the “bedroom tax” they recently implemented in the UK? If you’re on welfare and living somewhere with more bedrooms than people who need them, you have to pay more or give up part of the benefits because you have excess space?


45 posted on 06/05/2013 2:49:21 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: Olog-hai
The guy's a bum, a jerk, and liar. ..immoral and unethical.

You want to put him in jail for that?

Is panhandling against the law where you live?

There are limits and restrictions here in Texas, but not illegal per se.

How you equate his actions & my comments to communism and socialism escape me?

Bums do what bums do, don't be a sucker! Geezzz

46 posted on 06/05/2013 2:49:50 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: TexasCajun

You want to keep someone who is immoral and unethical, and puts same into practice, out of jail or other suitable punishment?

Conservatism is about the spirit of the law more than the letter, FWICS; that is why the Founding Fathers said that religion and morality more than written law is what the country needs to stand on. Leftists are all about the letter of the law, and how that can be bent to manipulation of the populace for the elites’ gain.

What exactly is “legitimate” panhandling?


47 posted on 06/05/2013 2:56:24 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
Can we at least agree to respect this guy for his honesty?


48 posted on 06/05/2013 2:56:31 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Olog-hai
Geez, you are all over the place. Bless Your Heart!

Don't be a sucker and don't be manipulated.

BTW - "Elites" is liberal code word for successful, hard-working capitalist.

Leftist are all about the law ...I guess that is why Obama & Holder just ignore the ones they don't like.

49 posted on 06/05/2013 3:04:51 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Olog-hai
Gotta run. ...I really think we're on the same team.

Welfare recipients should be required to take drug test, job train, go back to school and not be on welfare forever.

...and not cheat the system by hiding income gotten by any means.

50 posted on 06/05/2013 3:11:43 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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