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Smoking employees cost $6,000 a year more, study finds
MSNBC ^ | 06/03/2013 | Maggie Fox

Posted on 06/04/2013 7:40:07 AM PDT by LonelyCon

Smokers cost their employers nearly $6,000 a year more than staff who don’t smoke, researchers said on Monday in what they say is the first comprehensive look at the issue. And in what some might see as a dark twist, they’ve taken into account any savings that might come because smokers tend to die younger than non-smokers, drawing less in pension costs. The findings support a growing trend among employers to not only ban smoking in the workplace, but to refuse to hire smokers in the first place, argues Micah Berman of Ohio State University, who led the study.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: employment; health; smoking
If a business owner doesn't want to employ people or serve customers based on the choices they make like smoking, getting fat, following a particular religion he doesn't believe in, or being gay, that is not discrimination. It's only only wrong when you discriminate against people who are different through no fault of their own like their race or a disability.
1 posted on 06/04/2013 7:40:07 AM PDT by LonelyCon
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To: LonelyCon
And in what some might see as a dark twist, they’ve taken into account any savings that might come because smokers tend to die younger than non-smokers, drawing less in pension costs.

We have an Actuary in the family. It is a dark, dark science.


2 posted on 06/04/2013 7:41:27 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: LonelyCon

I’m still waiting for MSNBC to report on the added cost of employing gay men. Is it okay in the MSNBC world to refuse to hire gay men because of their much higher medical expenses (ignoring the ick factor)?


3 posted on 06/04/2013 7:42:14 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: LonelyCon

How much more a year do jerkball liberals cost an employer; who have to constantly remind each other that everything is George Bush’s fault, who have to discuss how the puddles in the gutter after it rains are signs of climate change, and how we must be sensitive to the lesbian, gay, and transgendered illegal single mothers who are only looking to better themselves; and think they are entitled to spend their employer’s time & resources tweeting each other to make sure they catch ShaLayLay doing the Harlem shuffle on their smartphones while Kim Kardashian pulls small, endangered birds out of her asscrack? How about that study?


4 posted on 06/04/2013 7:45:41 AM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (This stuff we're going through now, this is nothing compared to the middle ages.)
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To: LonelyCon

i call BS.


5 posted on 06/04/2013 7:47:59 AM PDT by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: LonelyCon

“It’s only only wrong when you discriminate against people who are different through no fault of their own like their race or a disability.”

So Hooters should be forced to hire me to wait tables? Not my fault I have a penis and no breasts...


6 posted on 06/04/2013 7:48:10 AM PDT by wolfman23601
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To: LonelyCon

Our whole traffic department smokes. There are four of them I think they blow about 6 man hours a day, between them standing out in the parking lot.

Plus their section of the office smells like an ashtray.


7 posted on 06/04/2013 7:48:39 AM PDT by woodbutcher1963
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To: LonelyCon

I call BS on this study. How the heck can one calculate 6,000 dollars more anyway. I grab recklessly grab a smoke every so often and I’ve never cost an employer any more money in twenty years. Unless smokers are taking breaks they shouldn’t be for 30 minutes to an hour a day to smoke when they should be productive I don’t get it. However, people slack off in all kinds of ways.


8 posted on 06/04/2013 7:48:59 AM PDT by Sheapdog (Chew the meat, spit out the bones)
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To: LonelyCon

How does that cost compare with those who engage in high risk homosexual sex that can lead to HIV and AIDS?

If a business or the government is going to be selective based on personal choices that are harmful or detrimental to a person’s health isn’t it discriminatory to consider certain conduct but ignore other, more politically correct, conduct?


9 posted on 06/04/2013 7:51:16 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Obama-Ville - Land of The Freebies, Home of the Enslaved)
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To: LonelyCon

Bull.


10 posted on 06/04/2013 7:52:04 AM PDT by VermiciousKnid (Sic narro nos totus!)
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To: LonelyCon
The main thrust of the article is lost productivity due to smoke breaks. No one thought of the impact of coffee breaks, eh?

Also, since the major factor was lost productivity, couldn't you just solve that by letting smokers smoke at their desk?

11 posted on 06/04/2013 7:52:53 AM PDT by cincinnati65
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To: Sheapdog

if they’re gonna bemoan a smoke break or two each day for smokers, hows about bathroom breaks? water cooler brakes? or hows about surfing the web brakes?

if ya really don’t wanna have to carp about 2 fifteen minute breaks, let the smoker smoke at his desk.

that’s half the expense right there. bogus, cherry picking of data.

and what if ya don’t smoke at work?

and did you see the diff in pensions? no way those figures are credible.


12 posted on 06/04/2013 7:54:29 AM PDT by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: camle

“I’ll have your double cheeseburger, chili fries....and a Diet Coke”


13 posted on 06/04/2013 7:56:24 AM PDT by ErnBatavia (Piffle....)
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To: woodbutcher1963
I think they blow about 6 man hours a day, between them standing out in the parking lot.

And that problem was caused by tbe anti smokers who banned smoking in the office while you work.

14 posted on 06/04/2013 7:59:57 AM PDT by HerrBlucher (Praise to the Lord the Almighty the King of Creation)
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To: LonelyCon

Total crap. Pretty soon you’ll see “gun ownership among employees costs employers $1000000000000 more to ensure”


15 posted on 06/04/2013 8:00:36 AM PDT by surroundedbyblue (Why am I both pro-life & pro-gun? Because both positions defend the innocent and protect the weak.)
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To: LonelyCon

Anymore this is not an employee/employer problem. Since Obamacare has been dumped on us, this is now the Government’s problem.

And we should expect the gubmint to target smokers and over-eaters any minute.

Meanwhile the queers with their unhealthy and dangerous lifestyle... They get a pass.


16 posted on 06/04/2013 8:01:57 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Sheapdog

It sounds like you are very respectful of your employer however many others are not. Beside there standard break smokers take additional breaks for smoking.


17 posted on 06/04/2013 8:02:04 AM PDT by New Perspective (Proud father of a 9 yr old son with Down Syndrome and fighting to keep him off Obama's death panels.)
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To: LonelyCon; Lazamataz; humblegunner; Eaker; Squantos; sit-rep
Smoking employees cost $6,000 a year more, study finds

There must be a cheaper way to smoke employees. Mesquite wood, perhaps?

18 posted on 06/04/2013 8:03:14 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: woodbutcher1963

I’m sure they’d be content to sit at their desks and smoke while they work, but they’ve been forced to go outside by the nanny staters.

Posted from my Verizon phone from the company smoke break area...


19 posted on 06/04/2013 8:04:01 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: Larry Lucido
Mostly the large ones are hard to place on the rotisserie.

The skinny ones smoke ok.

20 posted on 06/04/2013 8:14:50 AM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: camle

What’s funny is I use to smoke 2-3 packs a day of Marlboros and never called in sick once in 15 years. Then I quit smoking, boom...Flu, stomach virus, you name it. My theory is the smoke killed the germs lol.


21 posted on 06/04/2013 8:16:12 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: LonelyCon

I once worked with a retired Navy chief that smoked a lot. By a lot I mean almost every minute he was awake, sometimes he’d have one it his mouth and another one still lit in the ash tray. Then they banned indoor smoking and he was running outside every 15 minutes. People complained about all the breaks he got but I didn’t, actually stuck up for him. He was the most tech savvy guy we had and still worked circles around most.

If an employee does what you require there’s no reason to bitch. BTW I absolutely hate the smell of cigarette smoke.


22 posted on 06/04/2013 8:19:34 AM PDT by WinMod70
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To: LonelyCon

What about those who practice sodomy? Alcoholics? Multiple sex partners of the opposite sex?


23 posted on 06/04/2013 8:24:08 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: Pollster1
Gay is good in business. They take less days off than females....and they don't get pregnant.

The problem really is we are now FORCED to be "friendly and kind" and all that stuff reserved for "normal" people.

The government owns our feelings, our morals and our minds....way off base from what our forefathers intended.

24 posted on 06/04/2013 8:33:22 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: LonelyCon

More agenda driven junk science. Guess it depends on what you call a cost and what you don’t.

Pray for America to Wake Up


25 posted on 06/04/2013 8:42:35 AM PDT by bray (Stop tolerating beheading!)
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To: woodbutcher1963

I worked for a public agency that promoted a heavy smoker to a management position. He was outside smoking at least 25% of his work day. After receiving part of the mandatory training for management level, he was diagnosed with lung cancer. He had to be replaced when he took emergency leave for surgery.

After recovering from surgery, he tried to come back, but he was so fragile it was sad to watch. He died soon afterwards.

If you can overlook the human tragedy in an instance like this, look at the cost to taxpayers. The manager wasn’t as productive as his non-smoking peers; the cost of management training was wasted when he had to be unexpectedly replaced; the associated health costs in the last months of his life skyrocketed.

The only grim cost-saving was with the retirement system. He and his agency contributed for years into the system, but the retirement fund only had to pay his widow the survivor’s benefits.


26 posted on 06/04/2013 8:49:21 AM PDT by 04-Bravo
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To: LonelyCon; JRandomFreeper
Hypocrisy:

When my husband was sick with cancer, I had him in four different placements - 3 different hospitals, one physical therapy/retirement facility. Each one had NO SMOKING ON CAMPUS signs everywhere. At the physical therapy place, a patient caught smoking would be expelled.

It was all lies. All those places had a location for their employees to smoke. I would become a friend to an employee, then ask where I could go smoke and that person would tell me where it was or take me there. At that point, I was “in”, I was one of them and I was the only outsider in those smoking areas.

The physical therapy smoking area where patients would get thrown out if they smoked, was the nicest.

In one of the hospitals, a nurse told me where they went to hide out and smoke - no one could see them there. In another hospital, the nurse told me where a spot was that was considered “off campus” and I could smoke there.

Those places issue no smoking orders to people coming in, but they don't go by that rule themselves. I infiltrated every smoking clandestine place in every hospital and that physical therapy place. After I did the first one, I made it a personal goal to find these hidden smoking places.

27 posted on 06/04/2013 8:57:50 AM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.)
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To: LonelyCon

Casting stones? As if everyone doesn’t have a vise or is somehow different from the person next to them. Next it’ll be eye color or left handedness or outie belly buttons.


28 posted on 06/04/2013 9:10:23 AM PDT by bgill (The problem is...no one is watching the Watch List!)
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To: LonelyCon

My question is: how much does a gay employee cost the employer?


29 posted on 06/04/2013 9:13:17 AM PDT by RobbyS
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To: LonelyCon
following a particular religion he doesn't believe in, or being gay, that is not discrimination

Actually if the person the owner doesn't want is Muslim or gay I am sure it must be discrimination...

30 posted on 06/04/2013 9:27:10 AM PDT by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: woodbutcher1963

Is it your job to watch them? If not, then you wasted your
employer’s time, just like you claim they do.


31 posted on 06/04/2013 9:37:00 AM PDT by doublecansiter (without cartridge, load in nine times, LOAD!)
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To: woodbutcher1963

There are smokers that waste time getting a smoke but I know several smokers that people would not know they are smokers- they don’t smoke at all at work, take no smoke breaks during the day. Of course they would not be hired by those that ask the question about smoking and would be included in this study as part of the “wasting time smoking” group.

I also know people that spend so much time in the bathroom avoiding work that if they are not slacking they must have major medical issues. How much do those employees cost the owner and should “how often do you go to the bathroom” be an interview question?

Truth is if people want to waste time at work they will find a way- smokers or not.

If the health issues of smokers are an issue to the employer then overweight people and gays must be a concern as well- right?


32 posted on 06/04/2013 9:46:44 AM PDT by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: LonelyCon

They first came for the smokers; but I was not a smoker...


33 posted on 06/04/2013 9:50:03 AM PDT by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: LonelyCon

I remember traveling in South America and noticing that the bank teller was smoking when we transacted business there, and the waiter often as not had a cigarette hanging out of his mouth while he took our order.

“Freedom!” we said.


34 posted on 06/04/2013 10:01:46 AM PDT by marron
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To: doublecansiter

I am their employer. I pay their salary. I own the company.


35 posted on 06/04/2013 11:00:24 AM PDT by woodbutcher1963
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To: LonelyCon

how much does employing a homosexual cost?

or a liar?

or a druggie?

other behaviors?


36 posted on 06/04/2013 11:04:21 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple
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