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Say NO to GMOs in Your Food
Townhall.com ^ | June 4, 2013 | Chuck Norris

Posted on 06/04/2013 4:55:53 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: Mr. Lucky

http://www.guardian.co.uk/global-development/poverty-matters/2010/sep/29/gates-foundation-gm-monsanto


51 posted on 06/04/2013 6:36:17 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Kaslin
All food has been modified. The plant that corn started out thousands of years ago was called teosinte, the ancient clovis peoples of NA developed "modern" corn over a long time.


52 posted on 06/04/2013 6:37:10 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: tiki
I think the reason that is happening is because there is soy in almost everything! Plant based Estrogen up the ying yang.

You might be on to something there.
53 posted on 06/04/2013 6:37:39 AM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: Mr. Lucky
I raised free range chickens and free range ducks. We ate only the eggs which we gathered within minutes of laying.

One day a stupid neighbor stole my white rocks ~ they were old but they laid well ~ I'd imagine that after they cooked them for two days you could get a knife through the meat ~ but seriously, who'd want to risk handling a really old free range chicken?

54 posted on 06/04/2013 6:37:49 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Mr. Lucky

http://blogs.wsj.com/marketbeat/2010/11/16/george-soros-whats-his-fund-been-buying/


55 posted on 06/04/2013 6:38:19 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: surroundedbyblue
When Bush was in power all of you Greenpeace supporters were saying that all of Bush's people were supporting GM’s, since Rumsfeld was once CEO of Searle...which Monsanto bought, he was the evil genius behind Monsanto, according to Greenpeace. Also, one of Bush's top lawyers, was once a lawyer for Monsanto and one of the top FDA officials under Bush, previously worked for Monsanto, The Greenpeace, Friend of Earth, Sierra Club play people like a fiddle.

All one has do to do, is look who was behind the California proposition to label GM crops, i.e., Greenpeace, Sierra Club, Greens and the far left Democrats, to see where the movement comes from and who puts all the money behind this movement. Also the big organic business, which has become “Big Organic”, is putting big money behind this movement, as they believe they will make big money if GM food is labelled. Actually, Greenpeace wants GM crops to be banned, not just labelled...so they are also dishonest when talking about labelling.

56 posted on 06/04/2013 6:40:05 AM PDT by Aussiebabe
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To: tbpiper

I raised my own chickens for years and years. And your credentials?


57 posted on 06/04/2013 6:41:30 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: central_va

The Indians never mated cornfields with bacterium. There’s a difference between selecting the ‘best’ plant or plants and saving seeds from those, and introducing genetic material from a bacterium into those corn plants.


58 posted on 06/04/2013 6:42:55 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Aussiebabe

I’m hardly a greenpeace supporter. The choice we are going to be ultimately given is this: Eat GMO food and risk subsequent sterilization (I double dog dare you to read some of the grant proposals on the gates foundation web site for this very thing!) or just plain starve.

Ultimately, the population control wackjobs (Gates, Buffet, Soros, others) just want you out of the gene pool. Either directly via starvation or indirectly via failure to reproduce.


59 posted on 06/04/2013 6:44:53 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes

You can’t reason with these people.


60 posted on 06/04/2013 6:44:58 AM PDT by surroundedbyblue (Why am I both pro-life & pro-gun? Because both positions defend the innocent and protect the weak.)
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To: surroundedbyblue

I hope they continue to eat these foods then. And feed them to their children. There will, ultimately, be fewer of these people.

The grant proposals on the Gates Foundation website are just chilling. Chilling.


61 posted on 06/04/2013 6:46:02 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: tiki

I absolutely agree. Estrogenic soy in our diet is a huge problem. But I think it’s only one piece of the puzzle. Growth hormones play a part too


62 posted on 06/04/2013 6:47:24 AM PDT by surroundedbyblue (Why am I both pro-life & pro-gun? Because both positions defend the innocent and protect the weak.)
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To: Kaslin
Eat local and organic, period.

So, that'll feed about 600milliion people ... how do you proposed to feed the other 6.4 billion?

63 posted on 06/04/2013 6:47:53 AM PDT by tx_eggman (Liberalism is only possible in that moment when a man chooses Barabas over Christ.)
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To: tx_eggman

You’ve bought the ‘do it our way or you starve all the little children’ line.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/global-development/2013/feb/16/india-rice-farmers-revolution

“In a village in India’s poorest state, Bihar, farmers are growing world record amounts of rice – with no GM, and no herbicide. Is this one solution to world food shortages?”

Most of the 3rd world poverty comes from the small plot holders inability to afford ‘green revolution’ inputs. Special seeds, herbicides, pesticides and fertilizers cost money. Money they don’t have because they don’t have the amount of land necessary to generate that profit. Until now it’s been a circular means of failure for them.


64 posted on 06/04/2013 6:53:09 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes
This would make Greenpeace very happy if the people who eat GM foods would not populate, so they should support GM crops...the reasoning is not logical, so they should support GM good if they really believe GM food would stop population growth. The facts are that GM crops have been around now for 30 years without any scientific evidence of any harm (and most tested foods of any in history) and Greenpeace and Friends of Earth (from the UK) make big money from the anti-GM movement. Follow the money and you will see the Greens and companies like Whole Foods are big winners from the anti-GM movement. Also all the progressive politicians like Nancy Pelosi and Barbara Boxer are big supporters of this movement.
65 posted on 06/04/2013 6:53:33 AM PDT by Aussiebabe
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To: Gen.Blather; Kaslin
Local? That would really limit your diet if you live in the desert.

Straw man argument, but yes, it can work in the desert.

They “harvested” 12 million chickens a day, except for holidays and weekends. That’s why chicken is dirt cheap and universally available.

CAFO's like this are prime breeding grounds for enhanced pathogens. That's how we got whe H1N1 version of E-coli and why those types of operations have to load up on antibiotics(how do you like eating that with your cheap chicken.?)

If we get the governmental regulators out of the local farmers hair and let them do what they do best, we can meet our food needs with food that is actually tasty and good for us.

The result these activists are looking for is eliminating a large swath of the population through starvation.

Total BS. Look at the people behind the GMO's and their agenda.

66 posted on 06/04/2013 6:54:10 AM PDT by tbpiper
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To: kidd

“Perhaps you need to do a little research before you reach a baseless conclusion. For example:
- have you taken into account the increase in lifespan (lifespan has increased 10 years since 1960, from 67 to 77)? As we have gained greater knowledge about life risks, things like herat disease kill less people, allowing us to live longer and become more susceptible to diseases that primarily afflict older people, such as Parkinson’s disease.
- Or possibly that medical science has greatly increased its ability to detect medical issues and label them, whereas before they were attributed to natural causes?
- In 1960, food represented 30% of an average American family’s budget. Now it is 12%.”

I have taken lifespan into consideration. But that’s not what I’m talking about. Have we ever seen the rate of type II diabetes that we see now? Have we ever seen early-onset, precocious puberty at the rates we see now? No! How about all the endocrine disorders that are appearing in young children? Where are those things coming from??

As far as the cost of food, cheap isn’t always better. We’re mass-producing food that contains chemicals & by-products that are destroying our health. And I don’t see many FReepers here who seem to give a damn. Instead, I’m called a lefty, a “greenie”, etc. That couldn’t be further from the truth. I just wish to be left alone to eat what I want, grow what I want, and be informed about what’s in the food I’m eating.

For a bunch of free-market, freedom-loving conservatives to be so opposed to that truly stuns me.


67 posted on 06/04/2013 6:54:24 AM PDT by surroundedbyblue (Why am I both pro-life & pro-gun? Because both positions defend the innocent and protect the weak.)
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To: Kaslin

When GMOs are allowed to exist, there is no free choice to eat natural food because GMOs contaminate the food supply.


68 posted on 06/04/2013 6:56:32 AM PDT by UnwashedPeasant
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To: Aussiebabe

Greenpeacers are ultimately hippies. But even they are starting to get the picture that the big population control wackjobs aren’t JUST trying to control the populations of those black and brown people on far off continents.

They mean to control population here, at home, in the US as well. THAT’s what has the Greenpeacers and hippy types up in arms. It’s ‘OK’ for the population in Africa or South America to be ‘controlled’ in the name of saving the planet. They didn’t think it would be them too.

Do browse the grant publications on the Gates Foundation website. I fail to see how any pro-life individual can support Microsoft after having read those...


69 posted on 06/04/2013 6:57:17 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes
Of your many problems with this subject is the fact that your information is 3 years out of date.

897,000 shares would have represented 1.5% of Monsanto stock. The actual largest shareholder of Monsanto, with a little over 6% ownership, is FMR, an investment fund controlled by the Johnson Family. Although not nearly as intriguing as rumor and innuendo, current ownership records are easily found at sites such as Yahoo Finance.

70 posted on 06/04/2013 6:57:37 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Black Agnes

p.s. also notice that this posted article, is from The Guardian, one of the UK’s most leftist, progressive newspapers that have led the anti-GM movement for years and is a huge supporter of Friends of Earth, who lead the support for banning GM crops and have supported the burning of GM corps in testing....they could care less about labelling. Like all far-left movements, they are not about choice, they really want to tell you what you can eat and do....they want to control our lives.


71 posted on 06/04/2013 6:57:45 AM PDT by Aussiebabe
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To: Black Agnes
In a village in India’s poorest state

One village in India is your answer ???

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72 posted on 06/04/2013 6:59:52 AM PDT by tx_eggman (Liberalism is only possible in that moment when a man chooses Barabas over Christ.)
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To: Aussiebabe

Then YOU eat the GMO’s. Feed them to your kids, your grandkids and your pets! Mangia mangia!

As I said before, just because the left opposes them does NOT mean they are great things. The enemy of your enemy isn’t always your friend.

ALL the global elites want you gone. Your kids too. And your grandkids. It isn’t a left or right proposition. If it were, the biggest supporters of this tech, Obama supporters BTW, wouldn’t be so invested in population control.


73 posted on 06/04/2013 7:01:37 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: tiki

GMO seeds have been genetically modified to produce their own pesticide, survive the spraying of Roundup and self terminate. They are also incredibly expensive compared to traditional seeds. As a result, farmers in India were forced into total dependence on Monsanto by having to purchase new seeds annually. Because of Monsanto’s ruthless drive to use India as a testing ground, 125,000 farmers took their own lives after being driven into a hopeless cycle of debt and losing their lands and homes.GMOs, which were never adequately tested for safety, have failed catastrophically. At least 70% of our food contains genetically engineered food brought by Monsanto. GMO is endangering our health and environment at an alarming rate. Cross contamination is irreversible and good organic crops are being jeopardized.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Monsanto


74 posted on 06/04/2013 7:02:18 AM PDT by sunny48
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To: tx_eggman

Great reply. Gives me the opportunity to post a link I meant to but forgot:

http://sri.ciifad.cornell.edu/index.html

Hardly one village in India.

http://sri.ciifad.cornell.edu/countries/index.html

Lots of nifty pictures. Especially interesting are the before (using green revolution techniques and planting criteria) and after using SRI techniques.


75 posted on 06/04/2013 7:03:33 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: surroundedbyblue
Something happening like that naturally in nature is far different from some mad scientist in a lab splicing viral DNA into a crop.

Exactly! I can't help but remember back when animal fats were 'bad', so they started making all vegetable oil, then WHOOPS! hydrogenated vegetable oil and creating trans fats turned out to be even worse!

Now there using DNA in seeds like tinkertoys without a CLUE as to what the long-term affect of their tinkering on the people will even be.

Thanks, but no thanks.

76 posted on 06/04/2013 7:03:59 AM PDT by MamaTexan (The sign of an educated mind is the ability to entertain a thought without agreeing with it)
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To: Mr. Lucky

Your post that Gates didn’t own any stock was erroneous. He does, via his Foundation.


77 posted on 06/04/2013 7:04:53 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: rstrahan

“Monsanto should not have to vouchsafe the safety of biotech food. Our interest is in selling as much of it as possible. Assuring its safety is the F.D.A.’s job” - Philip Angell, Monsanto’s director of corporate communications. “Playing God in the Garden” New York Times Magazine, October 25, 1998

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Monsanto


78 posted on 06/04/2013 7:05:12 AM PDT by sunny48
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To: Black Agnes

If it isn’t a leftist/progressive movement, why are all the leftists politicians like Nancy Pelosi and Barbara Boxer big supporters of banning GM crops? Why are all the progress Green groups like Greenpeace, Sierra Club and Friends of Earth the major movers of this agenda? Just go back and look at who contributes money to this movement and you will find 90% of it comes from the far left. This is really a form of fascism when leftist politicians, in league with the Big Organic industry are trying to tell us what we can eat and what we can eat. Don’t worry, I will continue to eat GM food, and if you and the Greens are correct, it will kill off all of us GM supporters and you will get your wish and all of your opponents will eventually die off!


79 posted on 06/04/2013 7:11:10 AM PDT by Aussiebabe
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To: muawiyah
WebMD has answers to some common questions about West Nile virus.

1. How do people get infected with West Nile virus (WNV)? People get West Nile virus from the bite of a mosquito that has fed on an infected bird. Mosquitoes can't transmit the virus from one person to another.

It's also possible to get West Nile virus from a blood transfusion or an organ transplant from an infected donor. Since all blood donated in the U.S. is tested for the virus, the blood supply in this country is considered safe.

I guess they just forgot about mentioning free range chickens.

80 posted on 06/04/2013 7:13:48 AM PDT by tbpiper
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To: kidd

According to a 2013 report by Food and Water Watch (FWW), “Monsanto’s day-to-day operations have wreaked havoc on the environment and public health.”[12] FWW specifically cites Monsanto’s past production of polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs). Monsanto produced about 99 percent of PCBs used by U.S. industry at its plant in Sauget, Illinois until PCB production was banned by Congress in 1976, due to their carcinogenic properties and detrimental effects to the liver, endocrine system, immune system, reproductive system, developmental system, skin, eye and brain.[12] Despite the ban, PCBs continue to be illegally dumped or leaked, and since these chemicals do not break down easily, they continue to cycle through air, water and soil for long periods of time. Thus PCBs continue accumulating in plants and food crops, as well as in fish and other aquatic organisms, which are then ingested by other animals building up higher levels of PCBs as they move up the food chain.[12]

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Monsanto


81 posted on 06/04/2013 7:14:28 AM PDT by sunny48
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To: tx_eggman; Black Agnes
Things you may notice that most yuppies won't are:

1) how labor intensive this form of agriculture is,

2) how tillage intensive this form of agriculture is,

3) how much water pollution is caused by this form of agriculture,

4) how the rules are rigged to make this form of agriculture seem much more sustainable than it actually is. (the rice seedlings are planted in one field, then those with attractive growth habits are selected and hand transplanted into a second field, but in calculating yield only the second field is considered).

82 posted on 06/04/2013 7:15:39 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: tbpiper

dead birds ~ free range chickens suffer a predictable death rate out wandering about ~ it’s a number above 0.


83 posted on 06/04/2013 7:15:42 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Aussiebabe

I don’t view humanity as my opponent.

Most of the left does. And sadly, most of the global elites in general.

I’m sorry you’re unable to think outside of the left/right paradigm and realize that’s a fabrication to divert our attention from the real agenda. Global population collapse and draconian control of the resulting much smaller population.

The left has caught onto this idea because it’s a popular meme. They won’t allow anything concrete to ever happen though. Just like the GOP supports(ed) the pro-life platform. Hasn’t changed the availability of abortion yet. It’s all talk for both. Both are population control methods and both will never be done away with.

When 90% of the food stuffs in the country are GMO I’m not sure how you think we have choice?

It’s actually very very very difficult to buy anything at a regular grocery store that does NOT have GMO food in it. Or any food eaten in a restaurant. That’s hardly ‘choice’.


84 posted on 06/04/2013 7:16:31 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes

India has much of the potentially most productive land on the planet. They misuse it of course, but Monsanto can help folks like that, or they can trick you into believing they don’t poop in the rice fields!


85 posted on 06/04/2013 7:18:45 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: surroundedbyblue

They dropped the Type II diagnostic standard down 10 points and doubled the numbers.


86 posted on 06/04/2013 7:20:24 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: surroundedbyblue

Obesity is thought to be the primary cause of type 2 diabetes. The rise in type 2 diabetes is directly in line with the rise in obesity.

Perhaps because GMOs make food more affordable, people eat more food. But to attribute the makeup of the food to diabetes is baseless.


87 posted on 06/04/2013 7:22:04 AM PDT by kidd
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Unapproved genetically modified wheat from Monsanto found in Oregon field
88 posted on 06/04/2013 7:22:38 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: Daffynition

One hopes you understand the differences between adulterants and genetic characteristics. Humans have been genetically manipulating the food supply since einkorn emmer, spelt and then wheat. Ponies and percherons are the result of genetic manipulation. Gernseys, herefords and jerseys are as well. Whether that manipulation occurs in the field or the lab concerns me very little.


89 posted on 06/04/2013 7:22:56 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: Mr. Lucky; Black Agnes
... the rules are rigged to make this form of agriculture seem much more sustainable than it actually is. (the rice seedlings are planted in one field, then those with attractive growth habits are selected and hand transplanted into a second field, but in calculating yield only the second field is considered).

Agnes ... care to comment?

90 posted on 06/04/2013 7:22:57 AM PDT by tx_eggman (Liberalism is only possible in that moment when a man chooses Barabas over Christ.)
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To: Mr. Lucky

“1) how labor intensive this form of agriculture is,”

Because that’s what’s available to the small plot holder in the 3rd world. They don’t even have indoor water seal toilets. But they DO have manual labor.

Because I’m sure nobody in Japan. Or China, or India will EVER automate this method. Neeeeevvvvver.

Because nobody has EVER automated anything with agricultural methods.

Instead of spraying hundreds of gallons of herbicide on a crop and having to do the same thing weeks or a month later...it would be simple to roboticize that component. Think Roomba.

How do you get water pollution from this form of agriculture? Did you even read the article? These guys are using WAY less water. Because as it turns out rice doesn’t NEED to be drowned all season in water.

They aren’t transplanted but once. Small plotholders don’t have the money to buy broadcast seed. They never have. What’s different is allowing the seed to presprout and transplanting the seedlings individually instead in clumps of 3 or 4. They’re also transplanted several weeks EARLIER than they were previously also.

Did you read the Cornell pages on this method?

Instead of supercrowding the seedlings to allow the canopy to close earlier and thus avoid much of the weeding/tillage, they’re spacing them and allowing for more tillering. Tillering != tillage

Now, answer me this. Why aren’t the Japanese doing GMO hand over fist? Why is it banned? I can see why they might ban OUR GMO stuff, they are the Japanese after all. But why aren’t THEY doing it? It’s not like they are a technophobe luddite society. What are they smart enough to figure out that our politicians have been bought off to ignore?

If the small plot holders can become self suffient with this method, even IF they never automate it doesn’t that negate a lot of the ‘grow this type of seed or all the little Indian children will starve’ argument?


91 posted on 06/04/2013 7:24:47 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: kidd

The irony here is that if you have diabetes the insulin you now use is GMO. They have bio engineered bacteria to produce insulin so they do not have to process it from pig pancreases.


92 posted on 06/04/2013 7:25:24 AM PDT by artichokegrower
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To: sunny48

I have to go to work but I bookmarked your link and will read it but there are 2 misconceptions in your post. The RoundUp readiness is not a genetic modification, it is bred to be RoundUp ready. And the GMO seeds do NOT self destruct! It is just illegal to save the seed and replant them.


93 posted on 06/04/2013 7:25:49 AM PDT by tiki
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To: tx_eggman

Read the cornell page here:

http://sri.ciifad.cornell.edu/aboutsri/methods/index.html

They are transplanted ONCE. These farmers had previously been transplanting 3 or 4 in a clump and transplanting them several WEEKS later. They’ve ALWAYS transplanted them though. They can’t afford the seed to broadcast a crop. And broadcast seed would be too thickly planted for this method to work anyways.

BTW, I compared the yield with this method and it kicks to hell anything I found from University of Arkansas on yield per acre. Yes, I converted acre to hectare.

Can this be used on a 500 acre field? No, clearly not in the current means. HOWEVER, it’s the method that’s giving the yield. The IMPLEMENTATION of this method just happens to be human intensive. Mechanization is our friend. Because nobody ever used a combine before. Or a seeder. Or any other mechanized farm equipment.

What this is is a fabulous opportunity for some techie with a bent towards agriculture to automate the transplant and surface weeding techniques. Which should be ‘easy’ compared to broadcast seeding methods since the plants are on a predetermined grid planting.

Think Roomba, only in agriculture usefulness terms.

And you wouldn’t literally be pouring profits down the drain with the liquid herbicide out the tip of the sprayer. Repeated. And repeated. And repeated.


94 posted on 06/04/2013 7:30:55 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: muawiyah

What does poop have to do with rice fields? Or Monsanto?

Unless Monsanto is GIVING away clearfield rice and the glyphosphate to keep it so I’m not sure how the small plot holders would afford that.

And so far it looks like the SRI stuff is, acre for acre, kicking Clearfields butt. (Actually, from University of Arkansas, MOST rice beats Clearfield on a productivity basis) Using NO herbicide (so no input cost there) and seeds they’ve saved from previous years (so no input costs there either). Input costs are something the small plotholders can’t afford.


95 posted on 06/04/2013 7:42:29 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: kidd

And what causes obesity? Overeating, yes, but why don’t you do a little research on how HFCS and other food additive affect metabolism of carbohydrates & the subsequent insulin resistance.

Frankenfoods are killing us.


96 posted on 06/04/2013 7:48:43 AM PDT by surroundedbyblue (Why am I both pro-life & pro-gun? Because both positions defend the innocent and protect the weak.)
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To: Aussiebabe

“Don’t worry, I will continue to eat GM food, and if you and the Greens are correct, it will kill off all of us GM supporters and you will get your wish and all of your opponents will eventually die off!”

It’s not that simple. Once these GMO crops infiltrate other crop populations, GMOs will be all that’s left. So you people who think you’re funny or cute or whatever with comments like yours are actually trampling on my rights. Your rights end where mine begin and you are taking away my right to avoid GMOs.


97 posted on 06/04/2013 7:51:04 AM PDT by surroundedbyblue (Why am I both pro-life & pro-gun? Because both positions defend the innocent and protect the weak.)
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To: surroundedbyblue

Actually, most medications contain some sort of GMO component. Either in the pilling agents or the encapsulation material or the coatings.


98 posted on 06/04/2013 8:07:46 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes

It’s getting increasingly more difficult to escape these little monsters.


99 posted on 06/04/2013 8:14:26 AM PDT by surroundedbyblue (Why am I both pro-life & pro-gun? Because both positions defend the innocent and protect the weak.)
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To: artichokegrower

A relevant followup to this is why are there so many MORE t1d and t2d’s around these days?

When I was in school, in my class of 200+, there were NO t1d’s. Neither in the class of 200+ the year ahead of me or the class of 200+ the year behind me. Now, that same high school with roughly the same number of students has 14 t1d’s. That’s not ‘better diagnosis’ or ‘poor parenting’.


100 posted on 06/04/2013 8:23:35 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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