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What a Disaster… Obamacare Will Cost a Family $20,000 per Year
Gateway Pundit ^ | June 3, 2013 | Jim Hoft

Posted on 06/03/2013 9:41:07 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

The cheapest Obamacare health insurance plan will cost a family $20,000 per year.

Americans will be forced to purchase the plan or face the Obama IRS.

CNS News reported:

In a final regulation issued Wednesday, the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) assumed that under Obamacare the cheapest health insurance plan available in 2016 for a family will cost $20,000 for the year.

Under Obamacare, Americans will be required to buy health insurance or pay a penalty to the IRS.

The IRS’s assumption that the cheapest plan for a family will cost $20,000 per year is found in examples the IRS gives to help people understand how to calculate the penalty they will need to pay the government if they do not buy a mandated health plan.

The examples point to families of four and families of five, both of which the IRS expects in its assumptions to pay a minimum of $20,000 per year for a bronze plan.

“The annual national average bronze plan premium for a family of 5 (2 adults, 3 children) is $20,000,” the regulation says.

More… Two-Thirds of Americans Don’t Know If They Will Insure Under Obamacare

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To: fwdude
This is basically a tax - a very REGRESSIVE tax.

Taxation without representation! We should start a tea party. nevermind.

41 posted on 06/03/2013 10:38:38 AM PDT by showme_the_Glory (ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government)
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To: diamond6
Communism and the removal of God and His holy commandments.

That doesn't answer the fundamental "why" of how this happened. WHY did communism get a foothold in the children of the "Greatest Generation?" WHY did God's commandments get trampled?

42 posted on 06/03/2013 10:39:37 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Isn’t the @$$hole-in-chief already sticking it to us?

43 posted on 06/03/2013 10:42:43 AM PDT by Slyfox (In the eyes of the Federal Government, Pre-Born Human Babies are the same as fire ants.)
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To: Democrat_media
A lot of freepers have amnesia when it comes to this history!

Every single democrat senator and every single democrat congressman voted to make this Obamacare the law. Every single Republican in Congress voted against this Obamacare. But no one sees that the democrat party is the enemy of the American people. The democrats also completely control the media.

44 posted on 06/03/2013 10:43:00 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ('How empty and dead' were they to let Chris Stevens, one of them , die for 'Obama-Clinton fiction?')
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To: fwdude

I don’t know if you are familiar with the prophecy of Fatima, but Our Lady predicted this, the spread of communism from Russia.

Not trying to make this into a religious discussion, but she did predict this in the early 1900’s.

Communist took over every aspect of society, the press, the schools, many businesses, courts. I think there is a document called the Communist Manifesto and it outlines their agenda. It’s chilling because most if not all of it has come true.

45 posted on 06/03/2013 10:43:54 AM PDT by diamond6 (Lord, please have mercy on us!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Got bullets?

46 posted on 06/03/2013 10:47:38 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: diamond6

Sorry, my grammar was really bad in that last post. I did not check it.

My bad.

47 posted on 06/03/2013 10:48:53 AM PDT by diamond6 (Lord, please have mercy on us!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This will never happen. Next year is an election year and the Corruptocrats will be annihilated should the punishment of voters by ObamaCare kick in. It will be delayed at least one year, more if Hillary sees the presidency slipping from her grasping talons in ‘16..

48 posted on 06/03/2013 10:48:54 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: fwdude

What is the root of this infection?

This nation has turned from God. Here’s the remedy for the infection,,,


14 Then if my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land.

49 posted on 06/03/2013 10:51:04 AM PDT by stars & stripes forever ((Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord!))
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To: musicman; jackibutterfly
And a perfect reply it was. :-)
50 posted on 06/03/2013 11:04:37 AM PDT by lonevoice (Today I broke my personal record for most consecutive days lived)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Someone please answer this very important question:

Is the “tax” that made ObamaCare constitutional (as Chief Justice Roberts defined it) an income tax, or just a tax?

If it’s the latter, it may be that Chief Justice Roberts decision indicates he is a very sly fellow indeed and not the traitor he’s been portrayed as.

51 posted on 06/03/2013 11:05:47 AM PDT by nesnah
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To: fwdude
You ask how did we become a country of idiots? What is the root of this infection? Please allow me to hazard a guess:

Charles Darwin’s Theory of Evolution (often referred to as The Theory of Survival of the Fittest) describes the positive effects resulting from any “pressure” on an animal species that removes the least fit among the species and allows only the most fit of the species to reproduce. Most of us are well aware of this “Survival of the Fittest” theory, but few are aware that Darwin also makes mention of the negative effects resulting from unlimited reproduction of a species’ least fit when the weak, the lazy, and the stupid are left unchecked.

We like to think otherwise, but our species, Homo sapiens, isn’t that long out of the trees and the same laws of nature that affect all of God’s creatures apply equally to us. If we were to observe any other species that had been allowed to reproduce without limitations, we would know immediately what the consequences will be.

Whenever the weak; lazy; and stupid of a species is allowed to reproduce unimpeded by predators that feed off the weak; lazy; and stupid, they soon outnumber the strong, productive, and intelligent. When the weak/lazy/stupid dominate the gene pool, the entire population becomes weak/ lazy/stupid, and then the population collapses.

In the past, when these collapses occurred within human populations, they have been referred to as a “Malthusian Collapse.” Thomas Malthus, a Nineteenth Century Economist, thought these collapses were caused simply because past civilizations had reached a point where human populations could no longer produce sufficient food supplies to feed themselves, but he never pinned down the exact reason for these food shortages.

We now think these collapses of past human civilizations have occurred whenever the unproductive weak/lazy/stupid greatly outnumber the strong/productive/intelligent of the population. In other words, the majority of the population becomes too lazy to perform the work necessary to provide for themselves and what’s left of the strong/productive/intelligent refuses to continue to do it for them.

These collapses have occurred at frequent intervals throughout human history, and Western Civilization is, in my humble opinion, currently on the cusp of one of these collapses.

52 posted on 06/03/2013 11:15:48 AM PDT by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: fwdude; diamond6

Communism and the removal of God and His holy commandments.
That doesn’t answer the fundamental “why” of how this happened. WHY did communism get a foothold in the children of the “Greatest Generation?” WHY did God’s commandments get trampled?

I’m writing from the protestant Christian viewpoint, diamond6 might have some thoughts from the Catholic perspective.

The (protestant) church in the late 1800s, early 1900s became weak and corrupted. It split into the “liberal social justice” camp - who basically rejected scripture for the most part- influenced by the German “higher critical” movement, and the fundamentalists who became mostly interested in evangelism, saving souls, but pulled out of the institutions of society, their salt lost it’s “saltiness” and they “hid their light under a bushel”. They decided that areas like education, politics and journalism were too “dirty” to bother with, and just focused salvation and the afterlife. We are supposed to be “discipling all NATIONS”, not just evangelising individuals. (Both are important and shouldn’t neglect either responsibility.)

The biggest effect was that the true, fundamental Christians pulled out of universities, colleges and schools. (We NEVER should have given schools over from church control to government control). John Dewey was a big Fabian socialist and his influence on the public schools was enormous. The liberal social justice Christians still had a lot of influence and were very involved in these “pillars” of society, and became the “useful idiots” in handing over the reins to the socialists.

The teaching universities - (that set the agenda for what public school teachers would learn) became very communistic/socialistic. So now you can hardly even find private school teachers who can think clearly about what liberty really means, what a free country is, what are really rights and what are “wants”... etc. because they were raised in public schools and went to public universities. So we’ve had several generations now, and that kind of thinking is almost lost.

At the same time, the socialists were working very hard to morally corrupt our society, because as the family fabric tears and disintegrates, then the government steps in to be “Dad”. Children are not taught morality and reponsibility in the home - they are handed over to government schools to be socialized.

This has been Satan’s agenda since the beginning of time, but as long as Christian churches are strong and people are truly God fearing and believe and OBEY scripture, then it doesn’t matter what kind of corrupting influence is “out there” - it wont take effect. Unfortunately, the churches and pastors are weak and they have been weak for a long, long time - so people are vulnerable to any false teaching.

Read the book of Jude in the scripture - written 2000 years ago but it could have been written this morning.

That’s why I keep pounding the drum that if we ever get free again, whether it’s thru financial collapse and chaos, secession, or a civil war, one of the first things that any new free society needs to put in their social compact or new constitution is to OUTLAW government schools althogether. Force parents to be reponsible for private schooling/homeschooling/internet schooling their kids - or at the very most allow small communities to create a charter for just their community to go in together to create a school, but only if everyone commits unanimously at the beginning as to what will be taught. And make it illegal, written in the constitution, for any “government” to have any sayso at all in what schools teach. Give that responsibility for a child’s education back to the parents and families.

53 posted on 06/03/2013 11:16:59 AM PDT by boxlunch (Conservative, reformed protestant Christian, homeschooling mom)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

They’ll pay the fine.
When someone gets sick they’ll buy a policy.
The insurer will not be allowed to reject their “pre existing condition”.
Tens of millions will follow suit and the system will collapse.
Hello, Single Payer

54 posted on 06/03/2013 11:20:50 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Fighting Obama without Boehner & McConnell is like going deer hunting without your accordion)
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To: fwdude


55 posted on 06/03/2013 11:32:14 AM PDT by donhunt (Certified and proud "Son of a Bitch".)
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To: fwdude; DJ Taylor

Well, I guess you got exact polar opposite reasons for the “why” of our country of idiots between DJ Taylor and myself. I would submit for your thought though, that socialism, communism and either liberal Christianity, enlightenment thinking and atheism tend to go along together. The only time there has ever been a long lasting stable free society, is when that society was made up of majority God fearing Christians. The contrast between the French Revolution and our American revolution was just one of many examples to compare and contrast.

Malthusian thinking was one of the grounding principles of Naziism, so I would certainly not go there and say we need to believe in Malthusianism to correct our society’s problems. Malthusianism would promote letting the weak and defenseless die off, whereas traditional Christianity would defend them, while educating our children in Christian principles from scripture.

Well, as I said, you received two polar opposite opinions. But I would say, whatever you think is the root of our problems will inspire you toward very, very different paths of correction.

56 posted on 06/03/2013 11:36:17 AM PDT by boxlunch (Conservative, reformed protestant Christian, homeschooling mom)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
it kicks in as Ubama leaves office and takes over as Secretary-General of the United Nations?

I don't think Obama has the stomach to fight off all those REAL Third World despotic dictators who want the job.

57 posted on 06/03/2013 11:40:20 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: chris37
In two years the fine will exceed the cost of the insurance.

Is that in the law? Because for damned sure no Republican is going to vote for that fix.

Besides you only need a few months to Cloward-Piven the system into oblivion.

58 posted on 06/03/2013 11:41:37 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Lou L
If so, rather than go SP, couldn't Congress just repeal Obamacare? Wouldn't that be less painful?

And go back to what? A bunch if insurance companies that have just filed Chapter 7? It will be the Point of No Return. The options will be government insurance or none. And frankly most of our population does not have the courage for the latter.

59 posted on 06/03/2013 11:45:06 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Apparently this is the law as of now-

“Starting in 2014, most people will have to have insurance or pay a “penalty deducted from your taxable income”. For individuals, penalty starts at $95 a year, or up to 1% of income, whichever is greater, and rise to $695, or 2.5% of income, by 2016.

For families the tax will be $2,085 or 2.5% percent of household income, whichever is greater. The requirement can be waived for several reasons, including financial hardship or religious beliefs. If the tax would exceed 8% of your income you are exempt, also some religious groups are exempt. That tax cannot exceed the cost of a “bronze plan” bought on the exchange.

While some states, including Alabama, Wyoming and Montana, have passed laws to block the requirement to carry health insurance, those provisions do not override federal law.

Also it’s important to note that even if one does elect to pay the fine, one will still not have insurance, thus it is essentially money being paid for nothing, much like all other taxes.

60 posted on 06/03/2013 11:52:46 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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