Skip to comments.Boy Scouts: A Disheartening Betrayal
Posted on 06/03/2013 7:29:38 AM PDT by Kaslin
This past week has been pretty devastating for me as a long-time supporter of the Boy Scouts. My own two sons grew up in Scouting, and, with their hard work and encouragement from my wonderful husband who was a Scout Master, they both achieved the rank of Eagle Scout.
I treasure the time our family spent involved in Scouting - and always will. My heart is broken to realize that the finest institution for young men our country has ever known has grown cowardly, and has disappeared into the great vast wasteland that is modern popular culture.
The recent decision by the National Council of the Boy Scouts of America to allow openly gay youth to become members of the Boy Scouts was nothing short of a betrayala betrayal not only of the values scouting has represented for decades but also of the families whose support for the Scouts has spanned generations.
The roughly 1200 delegates who voted on the proposal represent but a fraction of the Boy Scouts membership. Their decision was not motivated by a strong and insistent clamor from their membership to change things. It was brought about by the strong-arm pressure tactics of the homosexual lobby, using the contrived protests of a few members for symbolic effect.
Council members assert the fiction that their decision is not a statement about the morality of homosexuality, but merely a compassionate decision to open wide the doors of scouting to even boys that reject scouting's core values.
The blunt reality is that young boys who come out are implicitly, and perhaps explicitly, embracing a whole set of givens that conflict with the Scouts promise of being morally straight. And the moral standards the scouts proclaim on paper will be drowned out by the homosexual advocacy that comes with being out.
Does anyone really think that the homosexual pressure groups are going to stop with the admission of kids who declare their homosexuality? Of course not.
Contrary to public perception, the proposal to admit adult homosexuals into leadership was not voted down, it was simply not voted upon. Its just been taken off the table for now, in a nod to the incremental approach.
The Scouts have lost any coherence in their original mission and message. Its worth noting that the law does NOT require the change in Scouts policy: the ban on homosexual members was upheld as constitutional by the Supreme Court, which affirmed the right of the Boy Scouts to remain true to their mission and decide, on a principled basis, who may become a member of their group.
How ironic: After years of successful battles to maintain timeless principles, the BSA has fallen by their own hand.
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Some argue that the Boy Scouts decision was inevitable, a reality-driven move in light of declining corporate contributions (again, because of pressure tactics), shrinking membership numbers, and changing public positions on homosexuality.
Those are weak, unprincipled positions not worthy of the Boy Scouts I knew. Just when our culture needs courageous voices to uphold traditional standards of morality, the Boy Scouts have chosen instead to appease the insatiable demands of homosexual pressure groups. They have decided to teach our children that political expediency matters more than principle.
So what to do?
Scouts and scouting families must search their hearts and find the courage of their convictions to decide if they are going to stay and fight to try and resurrect the BSA - or if it's time to take a hike from scouting for good. No amount of political pressure or million dollar publicity campaigns can change the fact that homosexual behavior is neither "morally straight" nor personally liberating, and we need to continue to make that case whether in or out of the organization.
And all parents should use this sad moment to explain to young people, in particular, that the freedoms we hold dear will not survive if the moral fabric of our country continues to crumble.
As those of us who have left scouting and now mourn the death of the BSA, let's bind up our broken hearts and resolve to continue to honor the many leaders, families and churches who worked so hard over the years to build the character of young men through scouting.
And to all former scouts - especially the Eagles - I urge you to write down your own treasured scouting memories so that you can share with your own kids one day what it was like when the Boy Scouts of America stood for principle and truth.
there should be no room for any kind of sexuality in youth organizations.
The BSA shall become but a mere shadow of its former self, as its moral standing is now vastly diminished. A good many of the current sponsors will continue to maintain a cadre of youth who are expected to conform to the former standards of Scouting, but they won’t be called “Boy Scouts of America” any longer. Maybe something like God’s Youth, or Young Pioneers, or even something inspiring like “America Reborn”.
There does exist a parallel organization, called “Camp Fire”, a co-ed organization of youth, which was once known as “Camp Fire Girls”. Different organization than Girl Scouts of America.
This is what I plan to do. I will tell my boys that I want them to take everything they can from Scouting, as my oldest is just starting his Eagle Scout project. But to remember that homosexuality is a sin against God, and is also a filthy dirty life style, un-natural and unhealthy. The fact that some people are addicted to sin and filthy dirty lifestytles, is nothing new.
Enjoy your life and leave room for the hopeless sinners. We can’t save them, and are not called to save them. Pray for any boys you meet who claim to be gay, and have pity on them, as we are called to do.
Understand if others have to leave the organization, because God is sovereign over the Scouts, no matter what it looks like to our Earthly eyes.
Go for the Eagle and don’t let the turkeys get us down. That is all we can do.
Reverse the vote. Now.
This thread on a troop marching the Salt Lake City ‘pride’ parade-
Also Scouts participating in the color guard posting the colors-
Watch the video, at 3:27 the homosexual choir alter the words to the Nation anthem. I can't make out what they said but by having at least one person in BSA uniform on stage holding the American Flag during this is disgusting and unpatriotic. So much for duty to country.
BSA is committing suicide by political correctness.
I don’t think they have the nerve to do it. But I would like it , if they did. I just have learned that most men will appease, not fight. Feminism has won. I pray for better for my children’s generation, but this generation gives in on everything.
I would disagree, but each family needs to make its own choice. Our family will be done by end of the year. I am the Scoutmaster and our two sons are on the Path to Eagle, and just recently made OA. My wife was on the committee. BSA has been corrupted throughout its top leadership, and it will get worse. Remember that Randall Stephenson one the folks who pushed this from the inside is next in line for the top spot.
By remaining I would be telling our sons and the boys in the troop that I give my tacit approval to this policy. I will not do that.
The only way to stay true to the Scout Oath and Law is to leave BSA.
Even the National Catholic Committee on Scouting has decided to stand with the gays. (see http://www.nccs-bsa.org/index.php). The letter from its chairman is available on the link.
Homosexual lawyers and their perverted allies in black-robes are where 98% of the blame rests. The BSA was simply backed into a corner by those that promote the access of male queers, both adult and the young, to young male targets. Sandusky is simply one of the few that got convicted, 99% of them escape reporting and prosecution.
Young Pioneers was the name of a Soviet era youth group, not a good choice.
No support and no contributions ever-after.
Three points ...
1. Since the disastrous 1970s, BSA membership has been constantly eroding from 1980 to current.
2. The BSA National Executive Committee stated back in APR 2013, that based upon BSA's 2012 membership of 2.6 million, they, at worst, could expect a membership loss of 13% and a gain of <1% due to reaction to the new membership standard. IMO, this SWAG seems realistic.
3. Girl Scouts-USA began its moral descent 20+ years ago. They are still around with ~2 million members.
... There does exist a parallel organization, called Camp Fire, a co-ed organization of youth, which was once known as Camp Fire Girls.
Campfire-USA went co-ed in the 1970s and has also gone politically correct in that it does not discriminate according to sexual orientation.
In my view, the root of their problem was money
The Boy Scout National Council receives much of its funding from corporate sponsors, such as UPS, Merck, Intel. The gay mafia went after those corporations to threaten the Boy Scouts.
When it came down to it, the folks at the National Council would never put themselves out of a job over this issue. Like many national organizations that become complacent and corrupt with time, they probably have some people at HQ who accept the whole progressive, gay thing as well.
The local and regional councils are totally self-funding (as I understand).
the national council sowed the seeds of their own destruction when they became reliant on corporations for their funding.
The United Way largely killed the BSA when they withdrew their funding after the BSA won their supreme court case. I will never give to the United Way and urge others not to support them as well.
This was a letter I wrote to Wayne Brock back when they were considering voting to allow gay leaders in. It still applies to the change in policy to allow openly gay Scouts.
“As a former Cubmaster and Scouting parent, I read with great dismay the letter on your website regarding the proposed change in the policy regarding sexual orientation. This proposed policy claims that Scouting has always been concerned about doing what is best for the young people that you serve. Add my voice to the list of those who will surely tell you in the coming days that a change in this policy will NOT serve those children well.
Your proposal states that “there would no longer be any national policy regarding sexual orientation.” This is false. Currently, the national policy disallows homosexual leaders and members. If you remove the policy, you are in force and effect ALLOWING homosexual leaders and members to participate, so whether the policy is written or not, Scouting will have implemented a policy that reverses course and allows what was previously disallowed.
The culture we live in is groaning with changes, and most of them are not good changes. Our kids are exposed to more sex and violence and swearing and examples of public figures who engage in dishonesty and corruption than at any time in our history, and with the ubiquity of cable television and 24 hour news and entertainment channels, the exposure is constant and nearly inescapable. As Scouting parents, we tell our children that “right” and “wrong” aren’t just words, but concepts that have meaning, and that they have to stand against the tide of change in the world. For over a hundred years, Scouting has been a constant that we could point to. When news of the so-called “controversial” policy would come on television, it always offered an opportunity for parents to answer questions that would be asked, or to ask some questions of our own and offer explanations about why Scouting’s stand in this area is important. For many kids who have non-religious parents, the stand by the Boy Scouts was the ONLY opportunity they might ever have to hear that there were reasons why allowing homosexuals in Scouting was not a good idea. By changing policy, you will be removing that potential for our kids to learn a positive message, and you will, instead, be telling them that in the face of withering criticism from politicians and the pop culture, EVEN SCOUTING will bend with the wind and do what’s popular instead of what’s right. You will, in effect, be endorsing homosexuality as an organization.
Your proposal also states that “BSA members and parents would be able to choose a local unit that best meets the needs of their families.” Will there be an official list available detailing which local organizations allow gay members and leaders? If not, then you’ll be doing a disservice to those who want to continue in Scouting without those influences, and what happens the first time that a local organization that doesnt want to allow homosexuals is challenged by a family that wants in anyway? If you do provide such a list, however, then you will in fact be endorsing “homosexual-friendly” units, which would clearly mean that Scouting will have become a “homosexual friendly” organization. Again, you can’t claim to not have a national policy, when the lack of a national policy that once existed leads to proliferation and official sanctioning of something that the policy previously banned.
Change this policy at your peril. Doing so will be the first horn sounded on the march towards the death of Scouting as we know it.”
I think the leftists’ god Hussein and IRS reminded BSA that as of several years ago, they were the nation’s 12th largest non-profit TAX-EXEMPT organization....
I don’t blame you at all. I just refuse to take this away from my kids. Scouting has been a really important part of our lives. These are long friendships and efforts that leaders have put in to get my guys to Eagle. I am just not going to toss it aside.
But I do not discount your opinion. I understand it. This time, I am going to stay and just make noise about it every time I can.
The biggest problem with the homosexual agenda, as I humbly see it, is that it becomes an all-consuming desire to project perverted sex into every conversation, every situation and every context. Queers have been having sex for centuries, but it has always been a silent affair. Now, the absolute deafening roar from the gay lobby is consuming everything in its path. In an effort to be ‘accepting’, the BSA has become yet another mouthpiece for the massive rainbow machine. Whether or not their leadership intended it, they have been hijacked by the homosexuals.
They should just change their name to the Sandusky Scouts because that’s where they’re headed.
That's just it. Most scouts join around the age when you don't know much about anything sexual. At least we didn't fifty years ago when I joined the Scouts at age eleven. Why should anyone want to announce their sexuality anyway? I had a cousin who many years after scouting came out as a homosexual. Nobody at the time knew he was one, and maybe even he didn't know it himself. At any rate, what importance would it have been for him to announce he was a homosexual? None whatsoever.
Your history certainly qualifies you and your family to make such a difficult decision, and we shouldn't second-guess your choice.
However, our culture should recognize this as one of the methods "they" employ to transform an organization. It is similar to what we have seen with various major Christian churches, our military, our schools and many other organizations upon which we rely on a daily basis.
Such transformations ultimately render an organization no longer able to satisfy the standards by which this nation became the role model for the world.
One would hope this condition provides a model that was examined and resolved by one or more of the ancient philosophers.
If anyone knows, I would be very interested.
The Camp Fire Girls' original mission was to promote feminine values--something that it can no longer do, now that it's coed.
In the News/Activism forum, on a thread titled Boy Scouts: A Dishearten on the link.
ing Betrayal, mikemoose wrote: Even the National Catholic Committee on Scouting has decided to stand with the gays. (see http://www.nccs-bsa.org/index.php). The letter from its chairman is available.
What might be able to be done is that some Bishop against this disavows (fires BSA get no funds) that chairman and gets some Catholic organization like the KC’s to set up their own sponsoring council. Or organizes the CBSA Catholic Boy Scouts of America much like the late Bishop Bernard Shields did with the CYO.
"...O'er the land of the free and the equal..."
You are right of course - just as schools should not be discussing sexual issues to elementary school children.
Any adult discussing sex with children I would put int he “pervert” category.
It is sad such a tiny minority can tell and dictate to the majority but this is where this generation is. It is all tyranny by the minority.
Young Pioneers with Joseph Stalin
Wonder what will happen to their liability insurance premiums....
We’ve already been subsidizing their taxes, and it wouldn’t surprise me if we’re now even more on the hook for their cost of business operations.
I’m the founding Scoutmaster of a troop. My older son is working his Eagle project. If we really push it, my younger can be done in under a year. Troop leadership is considering sticking it out but running a hybrid scouting program. We will refuse, publicly if necessary to admit any homosexuals. (Our sponsoring church doesn’t allow it and they won’t allow it in their troop either). We are going to tighten up our membership criteria to include a letter of recommendation from a pastor. We’re also editing the letter we’re sending to our Council informing them that they just lost one of their highest selling popcorn troops and the Friends of Scouting presentations will not be allowed in our troop. We will also not be attending Council camps. Actions have consequences.
History Revisionism and name hijacking: they should not be allowed this since the spirit in the name Boy Scouts definitely was meant to not include homosexuality. How can they steal words and titles and degrade the titles of previous proud generations of Scouts? There is a wiff of treachery in this. The whole thing should be disowned and stripped of its own medals. Some names have meanings, the gays should be honest and rename it the Boy Playmate Playground or something.
The “NAMBLA Scouts” seems an appropriate name for them.
Obviously this could have, or already has happened prior to the current BSA edict. Now, that they have formally stated it's O.K. with the organization they've opened Pandora's box without any further doubt in regard to legal culpability.
An excellent question. More details sure to emerge. Before the moral collapse of 5/23/2013 by the ~1,400 voting delegates of the BSA National Council, most conservatives thought that the homosexualist strategy was to bleed the BSA to death with lawsuits. There is a real fear out there among some sponsoring religious institutions that the BSA coffers will not be in place much longer to financially protect churches if they are sued by homosexualists, or more importantly - outraged parents whose children were molested by homosexual scouts or leaders.
“Were also editing the letter were sending to our Council informing them that they just lost one of their highest selling popcorn troops and the Friends of Scouting presentations will not be allowed in our troop.”
Good for you. As a scoutmaster I have, for the moment, decided to stay and fight. I have already stated (publicly) we will not be accepting homosexual members. It the council wishes to pull my charter, then so be it. As well as not selling popcorn and FOS cards will get returned with a rainbow painted on them.
Same way they stole the word “gay”. I refuse to use it in their context.
You'd best worry about your SOUL!!!
Embrace JESUS - not the boy in the tent next door!
20. Then the LORD said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous
21. that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know."
4. Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom--both young and old--surrounded the house.
5. They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."
6. Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him
7. and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing.
Isaiah 3:9 The look on their faces testifies against them; they parade their sin like Sodom; they do not hide it. Woe to them! They have brought disaster upon themselves.
2 Peter 2:13b Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.
49. "`Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.
50. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.
1. But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
2. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
3. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
4. For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment;
5. if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others;
6. if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly;
7. and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men
8. (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)--
9. if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment.
10. This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the sinful nature and despise authority. Bold and arrogant, these men are not afraid to slander celestial beings;
11. yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not bring slanderous accusations against such beings in the presence of the Lord.
12. But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish.
13. They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done. Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.
But there IS hope!!!
1 Corinthians 6:9-11
9. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived:
Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
10. nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
11. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
If you could NOT change, you would be in most pitiful shape...
We report - they decide.
(You're not a member of the NBA though; right?)
“One would hope this condition provides a model that was examined and resolved by one or more of the ancient philosophers.”
I suggest Plato’s Republic. Our collapse from decadence into tyranny is well under way.
Have you looked into the Royal Rangers program?
The Camp Fire Girls’ original mission was to promote feminine values—something that it can no longer do, now that it’s coed.
...do you really believe the existence of boys in the mix is going to prevent any female engendered organization from pushing feminine values?
...feminism has won the day in our culture, after fifty rancorous years of promoting hostility and resentment...they won’t know how to act any differently now...
Yes, but being in the socialist republic of Vermont, options are few and far between.
Of course, I was hoping to learn of a view that provides a happy ending.
Unfortunately, when exposed to Plato many years ago I was generally involved with quite a few all-nighters and missed much of the detail of his writings.
But, being an optimist and professional turnaround practitioner it may be worthwhile for me to revisit Republic in order to discover whether it suggests a means of avoiding a negative result - at least for my satisfaction.
Hope you are living comfortably in my native state.
The Southern Baptist Convention will disassociate itself from BSA. All other Bible-believing Christians should do the same. This won’t kill BSA, as the homo-loving organizations that forced this will take up the slack and start funding troops. Wouldn’t be surprised if NAMBLA sponsors some events through shadow organizations - they can’t resist the lure of fresh meat. BSA will therefore devolve into some semblance of GSA - selling their popcorn but standing for nothing.
I for one will buy my popcorn elsewhere. I have also stopped buying girl scout cookies - WalMart sells knockoffs that are way cheaper, taste as good, and don’t support evil.
Great tagline. Like any good Scoutmaster, the highest form of respect is to get your great idea stolen and used by others.
preface: I am a Christian and I am absolutely NOT a fan of the rabid pro-homosexual agenda.
That being said, as I was thinking about this issue, a question came to my mind that I think is worth asking:
“Would you ban a boy or girl from coming to your church’s youth group if you discovered he/she was living a homosexual lifestyle?”
In other words, “Is there a sexual-preference litmus test that will determine whether or not one is worthy of attending your church? Is the sin of homosexuality greater or more egregious than the other typical sins that we all commit on any given day?”