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Boy Scouts to vacate Center City Philadelphia headquarters
ABC6 Action News online ^ | May 3, 2013 | AP News

Posted on 05/29/2013 8:12:16 AM PDT by Albion Wilde

...in return for $825,000 under an agreement that settles a long legal battle over the organization's ban on gays, Mayor Michael Nutter's office said...[t]he Boy Scouts Cradle of Liberty Council staff will leave its downtown Philadelphia headquarters of 85 years by June 30...

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Gondring brought this article to our attention -- this issue was the spark that inspired me to get into pinging a Boy Scout list. Shaking my head; particularly at the detail in the article that Nutter offered the BSA $500,000 for that gorgeous art deco building right on the Ben Franklin Parkway. The ground it's sitting on is worth more.

Christians, beware. Churches will be next.

1 posted on 05/29/2013 8:12:17 AM PDT by Albion Wilde
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Boy Scouts ping: attn Liberty Council


2 posted on 05/29/2013 8:13:32 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("There can be no dialogue with the prince of this world." -- Francis)
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To: Albion Wilde

As now an enemy of the official organization of the BSA, I say good riddance. It can’t die too quickly for me.


3 posted on 05/29/2013 8:14:27 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Albion Wilde
Well, it's clearly long past time to get outta Dodge Philly.
4 posted on 05/29/2013 8:14:36 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Albion Wilde

Only fools reside in or visit the disgusting putridity that is Philadelphia. Merely being there is a blot on the BSA.

That disgusting stain is removed by vacating the hellhole that is Philadelphia


5 posted on 05/29/2013 8:20:57 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....Obama Denies Role in Government)
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To: Albion Wilde

Rather, look for the churches to have alternate boys organizations to replace the BSA.


6 posted on 05/29/2013 8:25:14 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: fwdude

Same here. I spent years supporting and defending the BSA. Not anymore. They proved themselves worthless cowards. Caving to the forces of evil, and spitting in the face of everything they once stood for. I have nothing but raw contempt for the them. No sympathy from me when the coming lawsuits grind them to dust.


7 posted on 05/29/2013 8:27:39 AM PDT by greene66
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To: Biggirl

Yes, but will they have camp sites.


8 posted on 05/29/2013 8:28:18 AM PDT by Pikachu_Dad (Impeach Sen Quinn)
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To: Albion Wilde

The Boy Scouts is still a good organization for kids. It seems a shame that the kids are going to lose out because of the decisions made by adults. I don’t see why adults can’t just man up, accept the changes and continue with what they believe in and give the kids a chance. I really doubt every pack is going to be inundated with gay kids.

Our youth needs to know what real scouting is about and outdoor skills, skills that many will not have a chance to expeience without the scouts. Our kids should see their adult leaders leading, not throwing in the towel.


9 posted on 05/29/2013 8:36:41 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: stuartcr
I really doubt every pack is going to be inundated with gay kids.

The big city ones surely will. And the kids who will lose out in those situations will be the vulnerable urban poor A-A children whom groups like Liberty Council in Philadelphia have been trying to reach.

10 posted on 05/29/2013 8:38:59 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("There can be no dialogue with the prince of this world." -- Francis)
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To: bert

Having lived in what you call “the hellhole that is Philadelphia” for decades and having visited or vacationed many times in South Carolina since the 1950s, I must say that, on balance, “I’d rather be in Philadelphia.” Thou paintest with a very broad brush. Just how much time have you actually spent in Philadelphia? Do you think the entire City is defined by a few issues?


11 posted on 05/29/2013 8:42:27 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("There can be no dialogue with the prince of this world." -- Francis)
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12 posted on 05/29/2013 8:42:51 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (My faith and politics cannot be separated)
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To: Pikachu_Dad
Yes, but will they have camp sites.

The United Methodists used to have a nice campsite in central PA. Don't know if it is still there.

13 posted on 05/29/2013 8:43:39 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("There can be no dialogue with the prince of this world." -- Francis)
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To: Albion Wilde

If any parent, leaves their child in the scouts and in he future to where the case may come that they were molested, the parents did not protect the child. I blame the parent (s) There would be no way that I would have my child in the Boys Scouts nor have them enter in public education. No way. I would work 2 jobs to put them in a faith based school or a school of my choice. I would not allow my children to be told what is right or wrong while they are so immature and need guidance spiritually and educationally. This new faith we see now a days, is not the committed view of following the word of God. Churches need to be more vocal about this like gay marriage versus caving in due to the outside activists arm of the culture from this corrupt/sinful media. Imo.


14 posted on 05/29/2013 8:44:51 AM PDT by Christie at the beach
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To: stuartcr

Sure, and why let a little homosex with the children interfere with an otherwise great camping trip? /s


15 posted on 05/29/2013 8:46:23 AM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: Pikachu_Dad
Yes, but will they have camp sites.

I saw what you did there.

16 posted on 05/29/2013 8:49:45 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (People are idiots.)
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To: Albion Wilde
As I am furious with the Scouts over the stupidity of the new policy, They spent $875,000 to fight the City of Philadelphia to remain in the building. They WON IN COURT and the city was ordered to pay their legal bills. The city appealed and they came to this agreement?

I would have made them pay my legal fees and staid. They even offered the building as payment for the fees and the BAS said no? They could have taken the building and sold it for MILIIONS it is on prime real estate. They could have also stayed as their contract allows them. STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES!

17 posted on 05/29/2013 8:54:16 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: stuartcr
The Boy Scouts is still a good organization for kids. It seems a shame that the kids are going to lose out because of the decisions made by adults. I don’t see why adults can’t just man up, accept the changes and continue with what they believe in and give the kids a chance. I really doubt every pack is going to be inundated with gay kids.

I wouldn't want these sick faggots anywhere near my kids! Our youth needs to know what real scouting is about and outdoor skills, skills that many will not have a chance to expeience without the scouts. Our kids should see their adult leaders leading, not throwing in the towel.
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You cannot be serious!

The BSA have essentially given their approval of this perverted lifestyle. Whether a particular BSA chapter or troop endorses it is beside the point. The BSA are now a pro-homosexual organization. Supporting it in any way, shape, or form is now an endorsement of this sick lifestyle.

I wouldn't want my kids anywhere near these sick faggots...period!

18 posted on 05/29/2013 8:54:27 AM PDT by Artcore
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To: BykrBayb

If you don’t think that could be prevented, then I really hope you’re not a scout leader, and if you can’t raise your kid properly and trust your child around some gay kid, then I hope you’re not a parent.


19 posted on 05/29/2013 8:54:39 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: stuartcr
The queer waited only one single day before starting a campaign to force BSA to admit queer scout leaders.

Stick a fork in BSA, they are done!

20 posted on 05/29/2013 8:56:20 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Christie at the beach
If any parent, leaves their child in the scouts and in he future to where the case may come that they were molested, the parents did not protect the child....Churches need to be more vocal about this like gay marriage versus caving in due to the outside activists arm of the culture...

People who had growing boys in the 90s, as I did, started to see these problems gaining steam. We had to leave one mainstream church because of the aggressive gayism, moved to a more rural church, then went through it again 10 years later. Most of the mainstream churches are infected now; those which are not will face years and years of assaults by "reproductively challenged" activists at their annual conferences.

For a number of years now, since I live in a large suburban "planned community" that has no churches within 7 miles, I've been participating or organizing a series of home churches, Bible studies or prayer groups, by invitation only. We do good works and have rules about not gossiping. I'm waiting to see how this new Pope turns out to decide whether to move to a Catholic parish for my next home, since these past two decades have been the homo-housecleaning in that institution.

I say these things not from bias, but from having lived and worked in the arts for 40 years and having seen and witnessed the heartbreaking behaviors and pathologies associated with gayness and lesbianism -- the drug abuse, the anxiety, the confusion, the unhealthful practices, the adrenaline junkies, the live-together couples whose only thing in common is homosexuality, the bad break-ups, the suicides. It simply can't be entirely the fault of homophobia. No homophobia is forcing anyone to engage in acts that I do not wish even to think about, much less put in writing.

To subject kids to this under the oath of "morally straight" is insanity.

21 posted on 05/29/2013 8:58:20 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("There can be no dialogue with the prince of this world." -- Francis)
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To: Albion Wilde

I don’t really know how many gay kids that want to be scouts, live in the inner cities. I thought they were all out getting girls pregnant and leaving them.


22 posted on 05/29/2013 9:00:02 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: Biggirl
Rather, look for the churches to have alternate boys organizations to replace the BSA.

Also, dads taking their own families on monthly campouts.

23 posted on 05/29/2013 9:01:09 AM PDT by Slyfox (The red face of shame is proof that the conscience is still operational.)
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To: stuartcr

As an Eagle Scout who has purposely kept my children out of Scouting this decision is the final death knell for the BSA.

20 years ago scouting really ceased to be the same organization I grew up with they watered down the rank requirements and have gone way too far away from the original ideals of scouting.

God, Family and Country! That is what scouting was, not camping and outdoor activities. Yes they are good skills to know, however, those activities were designed to create rugged men from little boys. To provide them with firm moral leadership and to create future leaders. They were not designed for the experience but to mold young men.

To paraphrase Jesus Christ - “A little yeast will affect the whole loaf”.

Why try to gain membership into an organization that rejects those who don’t adhere to the agreed to code? The answer is to infect it with corrupt thinking.

So how many gay kids will it take to infect the whole troop? The entire organization?


24 posted on 05/29/2013 9:01:17 AM PDT by boilerfan (Hoosier born, Boilermaker educated!)
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To: Artcore

ok


25 posted on 05/29/2013 9:01:24 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: stuartcr

Forgive my snarky attitude towards you in my post. My outrage isn’t at you, but rather the BSA for caving on this issue. It just amazes me that a group of sickos who make up about 2% of the entire US population, wield so much power and intimidation.


26 posted on 05/29/2013 9:04:09 AM PDT by Artcore
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To: stuartcr

You’re brave to say that, right now! I believe for awhile there won’t be a rush. Also, there are a good many solid citizens leading them on a troop and council level; they’re going to be on the watch for any suspicious behavior. There’s also older boys who might be worried about the younger ones, and will be on the watch for anyone attempting any funny business toward them!

What I’m concerned about, and I’ve seen others express is-that the forces that pushed all of this are not going to be satisfied with this! They’re not going to be happy with this small victory, they’ll want more! Just like they did with the military with DADT, they’ll push further and want more!


27 posted on 05/29/2013 9:04:25 AM PDT by dsutah
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To: boilerfan

You really think homosexuality is infectious/ I always believed it was a choice. Raising your kids right, is the inoculation that would stop that choice. If you don’t think your kids can resist, don’t put them into scouting.


28 posted on 05/29/2013 9:04:31 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: dsutah

If it does end up with gay leaders, then that is a different situation.

I do not want our youth to be deprived of knowing what scouting is about because of a few individuals.


29 posted on 05/29/2013 9:06:18 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: stuartcr
The policy they had was the best one they could have had given the fact that they spent millions defending it in court for years and won. They where cowardly and stupid. They could have easily turned the tables on the Homo Lobby with an aggressive full force add campaign including direct threats to their corporate sponsors and outreach to others.

They then came up with the worst possible policy as it is partially inclusive. That is not going to hold up in court. They also ostracized 70% of the local troops as they are sponsored by conservative religious organizations. Many will leave now, many more will leave in a few years when this poorly worded and misguided policy is over turned by court order requiring that they OK Openly Gay leaders.

You are simply showing your legal and moral ignorance when you claim that adult leaders should man up and accept the lie that active, open homosexuals can be morally straight.

30 posted on 05/29/2013 9:07:04 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: stuartcr; Jim Robinson

Why don’t you take your faggot worship somewhere else, and quit trying to push faggotry on innocent children?


31 posted on 05/29/2013 9:18:15 AM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: BykrBayb

right


32 posted on 05/29/2013 9:19:23 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: bert
Agreed
33 posted on 05/29/2013 9:19:31 AM PDT by tomkat
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To: Artcore; stuartcr
You cannot be serious!

Yes, he can. He never misses an opportunity to push the homosexual agenda.

34 posted on 05/29/2013 9:20:48 AM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: Albion Wilde

Any parent who approves the policy change, and then find themselves all upset little Johnny gets molested by his elder “buddy system” homo companion... well that parent asked for it. And the BSA cowards gave their green-light for this. The whole organization can go burn in hell.


35 posted on 05/29/2013 9:25:35 AM PDT by greene66
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To: Albion Wilde

Irony? A Boy Scout organization forced to leave their downtown Philly headquarters just as the rest of the organization seems dead set on moving in to the city of brotherly love.


36 posted on 05/29/2013 9:25:35 AM PDT by newheart (The worst thing the Left ever did was to convince the world it was not a religion.)
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To: stuartcr

—>>>If you don’t think that could be prevented, then I really hope you’re not a scout leader, and if you can’t raise your kid properly and trust your child around some gay kid, then I hope you’re not a parent.

That’s really unfair to state that because as parents, they want to be able to discuss personal issues with their child not by allowing or condoning a state run group or whatever should replace the parent role; basically to take the role of the parent by teaching what a child should think of an issue. The BSA has basically changed their own policy that they used for years to introduce to new members as a reason to join. They betrayed those very members who made the BSA successful of all of those past years. I hope they fail so society claims the faith to morality more so. I am sorry young children will be hurt from activities though I much rather protect them though a new group which should form. Let the BSA end as we once knew it. It’s not honor by God any longer. It’s as simple as that. We can’t dilute God’s message to survive as a society.


37 posted on 05/29/2013 9:26:22 AM PDT by Christie at the beach
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To: stuartcr

You don’t protect children from homosexual molestation by introducing them to homosexuality. Of course, you know that. That’s why you say that anyone who teaches their children Christian values should not be allowed to be parents.


38 posted on 05/29/2013 9:32:02 AM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: Pikachu_Dad

I read this week due to financial problems, the girl scouts are having to sell their last remaining four camps.


39 posted on 05/29/2013 9:36:46 AM PDT by edcoil (If you can't change the rules, then ignore them.)
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To: Albion Wilde

Are they moving to San Francisco?


40 posted on 05/29/2013 9:39:04 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (An economy is not a zero-sum game, but politics usually is.)
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To: Albion Wilde
The BSA is going to need that money to make up for what their decision on homos is going to cost them.

Watch the BSA hemorage troops, leaders and scouts this year!

41 posted on 05/29/2013 9:39:30 AM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Madison, Wisconsin is 30 square miles surrounded by reality.", L. S. Dryfus)
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To: stuartcr
->I do not want our youth to be deprived of knowing what scouting is about because of a few individuals

They are not doing this because they care for a majority of individuals. Worry about the majority for once. The minority doesn't set polices..well..we see that flipped backwards with Obama ..all of this that we see in which is happening is wrong because it is being manipulated from an orchestrated agenda by the left; to where their goal is policies and law writing/making. Let's be real!

42 posted on 05/29/2013 9:41:47 AM PDT by Christie at the beach
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To: stuartcr
Glad to see you have been banned or suspended.

Go back to NAMBLA where you obviously came from!

43 posted on 05/29/2013 9:41:50 AM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Madison, Wisconsin is 30 square miles surrounded by reality.", L. S. Dryfus)
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To: Albion Wilde

Question...how does a youth entering into the adolescent stages as are Boy Scouts know they are gay? Did they already have a sexual experience or do they think they are just gay? The % of gay scouts must be so small yet all this PC hubbub over this perved sexual crapola that has zero to do with scouting. Disgusted.


44 posted on 05/29/2013 9:46:56 AM PDT by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: TheOldLady; darkwing104
here's some food for the kitties...

45 posted on 05/29/2013 9:50:40 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (who'll take tomorrow,$pend it all today;who can take your income & tax it all away..0'Blowfly can :-)
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To: TheOldLady; stuartcr; Redleg Duke; Albion Wilde

Zot for the Viking kitties!


46 posted on 05/29/2013 9:52:06 AM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: Albion Wilde

Yes.....Philadelphia was


47 posted on 05/29/2013 10:00:36 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....Obama Denies Role in Government)
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To: Carry_Okie
From the article, this does not sound like a voluntary move, but rather the best of all possible negative outcomes as driven by the appeal lodged by the City after the Scouts won the first round.

As some past articles when the lawsuits first hit (2008) have noted, Liberty Council did review a plan to move out to the suburbs to an existing building out there; one of the reasons they didn't want to is not wanting to abandon the poor urban youth.

The other thing is, losing proximity to the most historic area of the founding of the U.S.A. is a real blow. Scouts from all over the region could reach the Independence Hall and Liberty Bell easily. It just won't be the same, being exiled.

One of the drivers in Philadelphia's unique situation is that there are powerful gays in the city government who have been conducting this inquisition. They will not be happy unless they destroy all traces of scouting in city limits.

Here are a couple of background articles from that time:

Suit over Boy Scout Homosexual Discrimination Opens

City Hikes Boy Scouts' Rent by $199,999 over Gay Ban (Philadelphia)

48 posted on 05/29/2013 10:08:58 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("There can be no dialogue with the prince of this world." -- Francis)
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To: BykrBayb
Zot for the Viking kitties!

Awesome!

49 posted on 05/29/2013 10:10:49 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("There can be no dialogue with the prince of this world." -- Francis)
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To: dsutah

He’s gone, so the line between brave and foolish may not be as far as you think.

But my son is in the scouts, and I can tell you that, for the most part, we have lost. The kids don’t care, they don’t understand what the issue is, they think it is stupid that adults are quitting because of the ruling.

They have been raised in a society that has actively promoted the gay agenda. You can tell them that homosexuality is wrong, that pre-marital sex is wrong. In my case, my kids are fine with that, but they still don’t see a problem hanging around with their gay friends.

Like it or not, most of us will have the occasional gay person in our midst. I don’t ask, I don’t tell. I don’t care. I’m not interested in other people’s sex lives. I wish the BSA had said “we aren’t interested in sex, so don’t mention it and we won’t ask” instead of actively promoting homosexuality as acceptable.

But there are gays in scouts now. I’m glad they didn’t allow adults who were gay — I wish they hadn’t allowed women to be in positions of direct authority over the boys, because that weakened the case against gays (sexual attraction).

My wife is a leader in my son’s troop, but in a non-interactive role (advancement chair). Having a female scoutmaster seems wrong to me. Having a gay scoutmaster is wrong.

But I’m not telling my son to quit, I’m not pulling him out, I’m going to support him as he works to finish his Eagle rank. Then I’m done with scouting. My church already has nothing to do with scouts.

My big problem with this chance, which I strongly opposed, is that now gay scouts can be open about it, which means they can be more aggressive, and worse, you could well end up with “gay troops”, where tentmates are both gay and how will you control the boys then?

I haven’t met many people who think it would be a good idea to allow 16-year-old boys to be in tents on campouts with 14-year-old girls — you can’t possibly supervise what happens in tents.

But now the BSA has embrased the idea that a sexually attracted 16-year-old CAN be in a tent unsupervised with the object of his attraction. I don’t see how that ever works.

Of course, this is the problem with “Gay” — it is unnatural, and therefore there is no way to make a “gay troop” where people are NOT attracted to one another. You could put one gay guy with one lesbian girl, and that’s it. You put ANY OTHER person with those two, and you have possible sexual attraction.

THe natural order gives us TWO groups, of millions of people each, with no sexual attraction. Boy Scouts is about many things, and NOT ABOUT SEX, but now it IS about sex.


50 posted on 05/29/2013 10:12:38 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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