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Why Having More Christians Won't Necessarily Change Our Culture
Charisma News ^ | 5/27/2013 | Os Hillman

Posted on 05/28/2013 6:58:35 AM PDT by xzins

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To: xzins; red irish; fastrock; NorthernCrunchyCon; UMCRevMom@aol.com; Finatic; fellowpatriot; ...
Culture is defined by a relatively small number of change agents who operate at the top of cultural spheres or societal mountains. It takes less than 3-5 percent of those operating at the top of a cultural mountain to actually shift the values represented on that mountain.

Ask Joe Biden. He gets it. Sadly.

41 posted on 05/28/2013 8:15:53 AM PDT by narses
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To: xzins
Reagan was right about unilateral disarmament alright, but why was he right? Why did anyone ever think such a policy would work in the first place? Answer, because the Christian concept of Man as being inherently flawed has been replaced by the secularist viewpoint of Man being perfect, marred only by "culture", "society", or "the past". The constrained view of humanity, once almost universal, has been gradually replaced with an unconstrained view.

Thus, the liberals/secularists/humanists pushed unilateral disarmament because they say such an example will reach out to our enemies, appeal to their better natures, remove all possible threats and therefore encourage understanding. Christians know this is nonsense, partly on practical grounds but mostly because we know that people do not HAVE a better nature, except as God works upon them.

The point is that we cannot fight this evil by just simply denying liberal demands, which is how politics works. We have to show people that the underlying philosophy behind these liberal arguments is just flawed. Should we be storming the gates of hell? Yes, but remember, as C S Lewis said, the gates of hell are locked on the inside. Its probably more appropriate to say we should be yanking people out before they can shut the gate. :)

42 posted on 05/28/2013 8:19:26 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Romulus

We need Christians that are Salt and Light!!


43 posted on 05/28/2013 8:28:05 AM PDT by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty Let the American Taxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
The homosexuals made it to television just as that medium was being tubed (that's a pun) ~ as all pre-recorded entertainment shifts over to the internet, we don't have to watch any of it.

Note to self: on this topic don't forget to mention the Korean history dramas ~ no gays ~ guys have several wives, your next door neighbor spends all his money on booze and goes broke he ends up as a slave on a farm ~ total escapism!

Further Note: Their criminal courts are held right at the jail with headchopping being done immediately after what looks like a sort of preliminary hearing. Torture is the real deal ~ those ol'boys back in the day would have laughed about waterboarding.

44 posted on 05/28/2013 8:31:14 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

You have to watch it on the tv though?


45 posted on 05/28/2013 8:33:48 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: Buckeye McFrog

I think history is a pendulum, eventually the libertines will take it too far, then the pendulum will shift back the other way......rinse.....lather.....repeat.


46 posted on 05/28/2013 8:35:46 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: stuartcr
Broadcast or Cable ~ no, not really. If I go to a website and pick a Korean language history drama I play what I want, when I want ~ some of them have over 80 1 hour segments! Korean shows can totally supplant the drek put out in English if you want.

No gays! Women in large shapeless dresses. Compelling drama based on real lives.

Worth it to watch the food ~ try Jewel in the Palace for a starter. There's a 'nurse ratched' in there, so be forwarned. She kills people by poisoning them, or by tricking the authorities into believing an innocent is really a traitor ~ Actually well acted ~ great costumes, good dialogue ~

47 posted on 05/28/2013 8:39:27 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

I try to watch it when I’m in Japan, but it’s all in Korean with Japanese subtitles. I don’t think they show the same shows you watch. Mostly it’s 1/2hr dramas where everyone in restaurants are wearing padded jackets or boy bands with lots of make up.


48 posted on 05/28/2013 8:43:11 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: Buckeye McFrog
I think you are correct, but they HAVE convinced a large number of people they are doing the right thing. I'd say minimally around 47%......

I've had a lot of days since November 2012 when I feel like the dude described in that story I posted, and then I try to remind myself of Yogi's advice.

I think that made sense......:-)

49 posted on 05/28/2013 8:47:05 AM PDT by Lakeshark (!)
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To: stuartcr

HISTORY DRAMAS ~ far different sort of thing. Try internet websites and you can get English subtitles with Korean language. Might put together a list of these things with URLs ~


50 posted on 05/28/2013 8:52:49 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Thanks, but I don’t enjoy watching movies and stuff like that on the internet.


51 posted on 05/28/2013 8:54:26 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: Vanders9

How are you going to show people that the underlying philosophy behind these liberal arguments is just flawed?


52 posted on 05/28/2013 8:56:51 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: stuartcr

I can’t provide any universal answer to that. For some, it’s a threat to their families. For others, it may be a threat to their faith or their principles (although such threats tend to be amorphous). Others may take a stand for profit or other self benefit.

Whatever line we draw as individuals, the time is fast approaching when we will need to decide.


53 posted on 05/28/2013 8:56:57 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: Romulus; Jim Robinson
We don’t need more Christians; we need the kind that keeps the ancient apostolic faith, within the Church founded by Jesus Christ. The privatized DIY American model is hopelessly inadequate and defective.

I am getting kind of sick and tired of the Catholic bigotry take over of FR.

I don't mind that 1/3 of the posts have explicit or implicit Catholic overtones but when this kind of junk is thrown in it starts to get to me.

54 posted on 05/28/2013 8:56:59 AM PDT by nitzy (You can avoid reality but you can't avoid the consequences of avoiding reality.)
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To: Alex Murphy

Alex, I also cannot disagree more. I observed first hand what happens to a society in which God and faith in Him are systematically undermined, attacked, and eliminated from the population at large by the government during my travels in the former Soviet Union in the early 1990s. When Communism collapsed, multiple generations of people were set adrift. When the law of the state was eliminated, the people became lawless — there was no sense of a higher power beyond the state. When the all powerful government no longer kept the common criminals (as opposed to those with KGB credentials)at bay, it became every man for himself. The prostitution, drunkenness, drug use, extortion, fights and anarchy I observed on the streets of Moscow in July & August of 1992 as social order disintegrated, was wide spread and common. It was a tough, cruel world to view. -— I can contrast that view with what I saw of massive crowds at TEA Party events where freedom loving, well armed, and mostly God-fearing people gathered in an incredibly safe environment with little to no police supervision. No one got robbed, no fights, and they left the streets and parks cleaner than when they got there. This was a group of people largely influenced by Christian faith.


55 posted on 05/28/2013 9:00:07 AM PDT by Bill Russell
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To: stuartcr

If you want to watch broadcast TV it’s pretty empty these days.


56 posted on 05/28/2013 9:00:42 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: IronJack

We all know, or think we know, what we want, but so far no one knows how to get it done...for the last 2k yrs or so.

Why do you think the time is fast approaching and what are the lines that are to be drawn?


57 posted on 05/28/2013 9:01:02 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: nitzy

‘I am getting kind of sick and tired of the Catholic bigotry take over of FR.’

Which is why having more Christians won’t necessarily change our culture...as I said earlier, unless all Christians are of the exact same mindset, one group or the other is going to insist they are right, and the other is wrong.

God made humans with the free will to choose their beliefs throughout history.


58 posted on 05/28/2013 9:05:52 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: muawiyah

I guess that’s really up to the individual and what they want.


59 posted on 05/28/2013 9:06:47 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: xzins
For centuries, Christians thought culture would change if we just had a majority of Christians in the culture. That has proven to be a false assumption.

Really? Where was this disproven?

A critical mass of Christians in the society absolutely does change the nature and tone and direction of a society.

If the writer doesn't know this, he needs to get out more.

Furthermore, as our own culture takes its dive into the tarmac, we are finding that politics can't fix what ails us, because politics rests upon a moral foundation that either is or isn't there. And that moral foundation rests upon a spiritual one.

You can have a government that is worse than the people it governs but you will only rarely and briefly have a government that is better than its citizenry. In general, if your government is corrupt your people are as well though they may prefer not to recognize it. This is a moral problem, and this is a spiritual one. Solve that, and the political problem will take care of itself. Fail to solve it and you get to watch while each and every election cycle takes you deeper into disaster.

60 posted on 05/28/2013 9:08:11 AM PDT by marron
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