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Wreck hunters plot new expedition to find 17th-century Griffon
National Post ^ | May 27, 2013 | Randy Boswell

Posted on 05/27/2013 12:36:14 PM PDT by Squawk 8888

A team of U.S. wreck hunters, backed by the governments of France and Michigan, has revealed plans to dive next month to a site on the bottom of Lake Michigan, where one of the most important ships in Canadian history — the 17th-century barque Griffon — is believed to be lying in a tomb of sand awaiting conclusive identification.

The first sailing ship on the Great Lakes, the Griffon was built in 1679 near present-day Niagara Falls, Ont., by the famed French explorer Rene-Robert Cavelier, Sieur de La Salle, and symbolized the ambitions of New France to construct and control a vast fur trade empire in the heartland of North America.

But the vessel, long sought-after by marine archeologists and hailed as the “Holy Grail” of Great Lakes shipwrecks, was lost with a load of pelts in a storm on Green Bay — the 150-kilometre-long inlet in western Lake Michigan — during its maiden voyage in September 1679.

La Salle, who led the construction of Fort Frontenac (the future Kingston, Ont.) and would later explore and claim the Mississippi River basin for New France — was the first of many searchers over the centuries to look for the lost Griffon.

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TOPICS: Canada; Culture/Society; US: Michigan; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: canada; france; godsgravesglyphs; griffon; lakemichigan; michigan; niagarafalls; ontario; wisconsin

1 posted on 05/27/2013 12:36:14 PM PDT by Squawk 8888
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To: SunkenCiv; Clive; exg; Alberta's Child; albertabound; AntiKev; backhoe; Byron_the_Aussie; ...
To all- please ping me to Canadian topics.

Canada Ping!

2 posted on 05/27/2013 12:37:47 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (True North- Strong Leader, Strong Dollar)
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To: Squawk 8888

I had one of my physic episodes about this many years back. I think it’s much further south than they think.


3 posted on 05/27/2013 12:43:32 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Squawk 8888

Time for a Molson!


4 posted on 05/27/2013 12:54:50 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I'm a Conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

O’Keefe’s Extra Old Stock...great big taste!


5 posted on 05/27/2013 1:28:30 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: Nailbiter
But the vessel... was lost with a load of pelts in a storm on Green Bay

I'm thinking the furs got wet...

6 posted on 05/27/2013 1:31:04 PM PDT by IncPen (When you start talking about what we 'should' have, you've made the case for the Second Amendment)
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To: Sacajaweau
I had one of my physic episodes about this many years back.

yes, but if you had a psychic episode instead, it might be more relevant.
7 posted on 05/27/2013 1:35:47 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There's no salvation in politics.)
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To: Dr. Sivana

No....I physically fell on the floor and the book popped open to Madison Wisconsin...voila!!


8 posted on 05/27/2013 1:38:48 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau

Wow, then the new mystery is how a whole ship went from the Great Lakes to a landlocked small lakeover a hundred miles away.


9 posted on 05/27/2013 1:42:58 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There's no salvation in politics.)
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To: Springman; cyclotic; netmilsmom; RatsDawg; PGalt; FreedomHammer; queenkathy; madison10; ...
Interesting Great Lakes history. Screw France, Canada and the US can share this one.

 photo MIPing_zps6ed55a1c.jpg

Michigan legislative action thread
10 posted on 05/27/2013 1:47:37 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Dr. Sivana

And that’s why they’ll never find it.


11 posted on 05/27/2013 1:48:43 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Squawk 8888

About that picture with the article.

Palm trees?


12 posted on 05/27/2013 1:50:15 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Sacajaweau; Dr. Sivana
HAH!

Got cha' on THAT one !

heh heh heh heh heh

13 posted on 05/27/2013 1:55:56 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I can't prove it, but they're true)
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To: cripplecreek

Globull warming ... the pre-curser.


14 posted on 05/27/2013 1:57:01 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I can't prove it, but they're true)
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To: knarf

I guess I will have to go back and retake Physic Ed.


15 posted on 05/27/2013 1:57:44 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There's no salvation in politics.)
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To: cripplecreek
I've seen that picture before...I think it's from Voyages to the New World in 2 volumes...(Something like that)...I have a 1905?? edition...It's LaSalle's voyages etc...I'll have to drag them out.

If you've never seen the Matagorda find of LaBelle....It's fascinating and on the web. Smeone had good instincts on that one.

16 posted on 05/27/2013 1:58:02 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: knarf

Gotcha whata thata? Neener neener


17 posted on 05/27/2013 2:02:36 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Dr. Sivana
Here y'go


18 posted on 05/27/2013 2:04:06 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I can't prove it, but they're true)
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To: Squawk 8888; Hunton Peck; Diana in Wisconsin; P from Sheb; Shady; DonkeyBonker; Wisconsinlady; ...

Old Green Bay ship wreck ping

FReep Mail me if you want on, or off, this Wisconsin interest ping list.

I want to know why Wisconsin is not included in this recovery effort? I also want to know what condition furs would be after lying at the bottom of Green Bay for 300+ years. I know that loads of timber that were lost in Lake Michigan are in beautiful condition when recovered because the cold water preserves the lumber. But fur????


19 posted on 05/27/2013 2:06:41 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Squawk 8888

They’re going down in about 3 weeks. Let me tell you, that water is COLD. I hope they have warming panels inside their dive suits.

According to Mr. AFTR, there is little bacterial action at Lake Michigan underwater temperatures, and the furs should be fine.


20 posted on 05/27/2013 2:25:39 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Fur would rot and would probably disappear in 100-200 years.

I’d like to see pictures of this wreck and the site is developed...


21 posted on 05/27/2013 2:27:34 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (NRA Life Member)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
I want to know why... I also want to know what

You're making a lot of demands here fella.........

22 posted on 05/27/2013 2:27:53 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (This space for rent)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
It's a waters /boat thing. Michigan lays claim as its supposedly in their waters. France lays claim because it was their ship.

But I'm not convinced France actually owned the ship and we have yet to declare it "found" at this location. I have to drag out a very old book.

23 posted on 05/27/2013 2:28:53 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Squawk 8888; cripplecreek; fanfan; Perdogg; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; ...

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks Squawk 8888.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


24 posted on 05/27/2013 2:32:40 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: SunkenCiv
I wonder if they will write a song about the sinking....like the Edmond Fitzgerald...
25 posted on 05/27/2013 2:52:49 PM PDT by Youngman542012
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To: Dr. Sivana

That had to be a BIG storm!


26 posted on 05/27/2013 3:20:32 PM PDT by Kent1957
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To: Squawk 8888

They`re going to dive for furry beavers.


27 posted on 05/27/2013 3:44:42 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 (("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.))
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To: Kent1957
This is from Hennepins "A New Discovery of a Vast Country in America" originally published in 1698. (Hennepin is considered a liar of sorts.)

The Griffon and LaSalle are at Washington Island, off the mouth of Green Bay. Here LaSalle found traders....they had accumulated a goodly store of furs, which were promptly loaded on the vessel.

...."The crew of the Griffon were accordingly ordered to sail at once to Niagara, and then with all imaginable speed, to join us toward the Southern Parts of the Lake, where we would stay for them among the Illinois"

LaSalle with 14 men in HEAVILY LADEN CANOES, paddled southward along the Wisconsin shore of Lake Michigan.

November arrived at the mouth of St. Joseph River.

The Griffin was supposed to arrive here also??

...."loss in a storm between Green Bay and Mackinac".

That would mean she was lost almost immediately after setting sail.

In a previous sentence, I don't understand the cargo of heavily laden canoes". Was that a slip?? The furs were to go to LaSalle's personal creditors.

Hmmmm

28 posted on 05/27/2013 3:52:19 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Squawk 8888

http://washingtonisland-wi.com/le-griffon-the-griffin/


29 posted on 05/27/2013 4:09:48 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Squawk 8888

In French Green Bay means bay of stinking water. If you have ever been to Green Bay - it does stink!


30 posted on 05/27/2013 4:46:52 PM PDT by hondact200 (Candor dat viribos alas (sincerity gives wings to strength) and Nil desperandum (never despair))
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To: Squawk 8888

Here is the French - La Baie des Puantes - stinking bay


31 posted on 05/27/2013 4:52:11 PM PDT by hondact200 (Candor dat viribos alas (sincerity gives wings to strength) and Nil desperandum (never despair))
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To: cripplecreek

Most of the trees are conifers but there’s one that does look like a palm. The drawing is supposed to depict the boat’s construction in Niagara Falls.


32 posted on 05/27/2013 5:48:24 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (True North- Strong Leader, Strong Dollar)
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To: cripplecreek
backed by the governments of France and Michigan

You guys are moving up or down in the world?

33 posted on 05/28/2013 4:43:14 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Right, every government should get a chance to pour taxpayer monies into a lake!


34 posted on 05/28/2013 4:44:38 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Sacajaweau
November arrived at the mouth of St. Joseph River.

Does she visit every fall?

35 posted on 05/28/2013 4:48:03 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Squawk 8888

All the pictures in Hennepins works show those palm type trees. I’m sure it’s the same artist. I’ll post another one this afternoon...


36 posted on 05/28/2013 5:49:34 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Dr. Sivana; Sacajaweau

Yipes! My mother told me once what a “physic” referred to during her childhood in the early 1900s.


37 posted on 05/28/2013 9:23:38 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Restore us, O God of hosts; let your face shine, that we may be saved! -Ps80)
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