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Boy Scouts' Woes Continue With Assault by Atheists
The New American ^ | 27 May 2013 | Dave Bohon

Posted on 05/27/2013 9:44:48 AM PDT by VitacoreVision



The Boy Scouts’ woes continue as two atheist organizations have attacked their policy of requiring participants and leaders to acknowledge faith in God.

Boy Scouts' Woes Continue With Assault by Atheists

The New American
27 May 2013

On the heels of the news that they caved in to pressure from the homosexual lobby and will allow participation by boys who identify as “gay,” the Boy Scouts of America (BSA) are facing a new assault, this time from the nation's organized atheists. On May 24 the Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF) fired a warning shot over the bow of the BSA concerning the group's requirement that both participants and leaders express faith in God. The godless group applauded the BSA's initial surrender to the demands of homosexual activists, but challenged the scouting organization on its decision to retain a policy that “bars atheist and freethinking members.”

The BSA's stated policy concerning faith comes in the form of a declaration that the “recognition of God as the ruling and leading power in the universe and the grateful acknowledgment of His favors and blessings are necessary to the best type of citizenship.”

Claiming that one in three teens identifies as non-religious, the FFRF complained that “there’s a long trail of boys and leaders who have been kicked out [of the Boy Scouts] simply because they don’t believe in a God. They range from a six-year-old in suburban Chicago whose nonreligious father, Elliott Welsh, lost a suit against the BSA for violating the Civil Rights Act, to exemplary Eagle Scout Darrell Lambert, expelled from a Washington troop in a high-profile case.”

The FFRF claimed that the Boy Scout ranks “have always been full of nonbelievers,” and chided the BSA for lagging “20 years behind the Girl Scouts of America, which announced in 1993 that it would protect the freedom of conscience of all members.” The atheist complainers recalled that the Girl Scouts “adopted a resolution that any of its members may substitute another word or phrase for 'God' in its official pledge, a measure enacted to show ‘strength in diversity and that we are an inclusive organization.’ ”

Charging that “no one can grow into the best citizen who discriminates against the nonreligious,” the FFRF encouraged its members to hector the BSA with phone calls demanding that it cave in on its foundational conviction that connects faith in God with its mission of raising up boys into responsible men.

The FFRF was apparently riding the coattails of another atheist group, the Secular Coalition for America, which released its own statement affirming the Boy Scouts for their moral collapse, while criticizing them for retaining faith in God as a key value for participation in their ranks. Edwina Rogers, a spokesperson for the secular group, said she was pleased with the BSA's cave-in on the issue of homosexuality, but considered it insufficient. “Discrimination is wrong — whether it’s directed at children or adults, atheists or the religious,” Rogers said.

She noted that the while the BSA is a private organization, it receives federal funding through the use of supplies, space, and equipment. “No organization that discriminates on the basis of religion or religious beliefs should receive federal support,” Rogers said, adding in a tone suggestive of ramped up legal pressure: “We look forward to a time when the Boy Scouts will be a completely inclusive organization that does not discriminate at all based on religious belief or sexual orientation.”

Meanwhile, homosexual activist groups reacted to the Boy Scouts' announcement that they would open their doors to gay-identifying boys, while continuing their ban on homosexual Scout leaders. “They're not on our good list yet,” said the Human Rights Campaign's Paul Guequierre of the BSA's partial policy change on gays, adding that “the new policy doesn’t go far enough. Parents and adults of good moral character, regardless of sexual orientation, should be able to volunteer their time to mentor the next generation of Americans.”

Zach Wahls of the pro-homosexual Scouts for Equality, said that his group would continue to pressure the Boy Scouts to allow homosexual adults access to vulnerable boys, while also looking for opportunities to target the Boy Scouts for discrimination against supposedly gay youth. “We'll act as a watchdog,” Wahls warned. “If any gay youth feel they're experiencing harassment or discrimination, we want to be there for them.”

Rich Ferraro of the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD) said his group would continue to pressure corporate donors to stop giving to the Boy Scouts, and predicted that homosexual teens participating in the Boy Scouts would help to undermine the BSA's remaining moral barriers to homosexuality. “The BSA now will have to look gay teens in the eye,” he said, “boys who've been involved in Scouting for years, and tell them they're not going to be able to grow into adult leaders.”

Christian leaders and organizations continue to express their sorrow over the BSA's decision to allow participation by boys who identify as homosexual. In a statement, the Assemblies of God denomination noted that a majority of scout groups throughout the nation “are sponsored by churches or other religious entities, which have as their foundation a belief in biblical teachings that identify homosexual behavior as outside of God's plan for sexuality. While we agree that youths who experience confusion or same-sex attraction need to be welcomed, in our churches they are confronted with this biblical teaching and will be counseled and prayed with that God will help them to align their lives in conformity to that teaching. We agree with the BSA that we need to demonstrate compassion and welcome those who are struggling with sexuality issues, but not in a way that condones such behavior, which is what the new BSA policy does.”

As have many other Christian and conservative leaders, Randy Sharp of the American Family Association said that the decision made by a vote of 61 percent of the BSA's voting leaders does not bode well for the future of the storied organization. “I think what we're going to see in the next year or so is a mass exodus of adults and boys from the Boy Scouts of America program,” Sharp told OneNewsNow.com. “Some of the estimates that I've heard are up to 400,000 to 500,000 boys and adults will resign their positions with the Boy Scouts of America.”

Rob Schwarzwalder of the Family Research Council pointed out that such a mass exodus will not be based on a personal hatred or animosity toward people who identify as homosexuals. This isn't about fear or homophobia, and this isn't about bigotry,” he said. “This is about the moral values of our Judeo-Christian heritage, which teaches that the only appropriate sexually intimate activity that exists [is] between a man and a woman within marriage. That's always been the affirmation of Scouts. It is no longer.”

David Cortman of Alliance Defending Freedom emphasized that “those promoting the agenda to change what the Boy Scouts have always been won't rest until there is complete acceptance of any sexual preference for both leaders and members. With its decision the BSA has rejected its freedom to promote and practice the values that have served to shape our nation's boys into leaders for the last century.”


Related Articles:

Pro-Family Groups Warn of Mass Exodus If Boy Scouts Cave to Homosexuals

Strong Reaction Follows Boy Scouts' Decision to Allow Homosexual Members


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KEYWORDS: antitheism; atheism; atheists; atheistsupremacists; boyscouts; bsa; communistgoals; culturewar; freedomfromreligion; gayagenda; godlessamerica; homosexualagenda; homosexuality; liberalbigots; waronreligion
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1 posted on 05/27/2013 9:44:48 AM PDT by VitacoreVision
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To: VitacoreVision

What’s next?

The Girl Scouts, I would bet. How long before some pervert claims he is “transgendered” and demands to be allowed to go to camp and all the other “activities” with young girls?

The Boy Scouts are setting a horrible precedent, and one can only hope they are simply rejected and fall apart before it does too much damage.


3 posted on 05/27/2013 9:47:48 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: VitacoreVision

The Boy Scouts has shown its weakness by caving. Now they will be picked to death by every moon bat group; with the ultimate goal being the demise of the boy scouts. Mission accomplished.


4 posted on 05/27/2013 9:48:00 AM PDT by Flick Lives (We're going to be just like the old Soviet Union, but with free cell phones!)
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To: bigbob

The Girl Scouts were taken over by the pervs a while back, they partner with Planned Parenthood and they do accept trannies.


5 posted on 05/27/2013 9:48:46 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: VitacoreVision

This will only end when the Boy Scouts is a NAMBLA bastion. The BSA leadership proved how stupid and naive they were when they voted to allow homosexual scouts in. This is just the first step in the agenda.


6 posted on 05/27/2013 9:48:55 AM PDT by House Atreides
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To: Flick Lives

bump


7 posted on 05/27/2013 9:49:41 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: VitacoreVision

Not atheists. Anti-theists.


8 posted on 05/27/2013 9:49:47 AM PDT by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: VitacoreVision

The PC idiots at the BSA just opened the flood gates to this sort of thing by knuckling under to the Gay lobby.

They brought this on themselves.


9 posted on 05/27/2013 9:50:34 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: VitacoreVision

This was predictable. We have lost the culture war.


10 posted on 05/27/2013 9:51:25 AM PDT by cblue55 ("Those people who will not be governed by God will be ruled by tyrants,")
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To: VitacoreVision
“We'll act as a watchdog,” Wahls warned. “If any gay youth feel they're experiencing harassment or discrimination, we want to be there for them.”

I'm starting to smell lawsuits. The "lawyers" are already circling overhead. The Boy Scouts are toast.

11 posted on 05/27/2013 9:51:31 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (If you think ObamaCare is a train wreck, wait until you see the amnesty bill.)
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To: VitacoreVision

BSA stepped just a tiny bit over a bright line. The ther side of that line is not, as seemed, level ground. It is a steepening slope and the surface is not firm. There is water flowing down the slope.


12 posted on 05/27/2013 9:51:32 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/econohttp://www.fee.org/library/det)
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To: VitacoreVision

Like Hillary said

“What Difference does it make”

They are done anyway. Just close the doors and turn out the lights.

Elvis has left the building.

The Boy Scouts are a done organization.

Killed by the queers and buried now by the Atheist God hating barbarian a-holes.


13 posted on 05/27/2013 9:51:49 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
I hate to say this, but is seems to be in part, the Mormons who are responsible for this. And I supported Romney, I am now sorry to say. Mormons you are screwed up.

LOL - yours is one amazing post.

14 posted on 05/27/2013 9:52:21 AM PDT by ladyjane (For the first time in my life I am not proud of my country.)
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To: bigbob

The girl scouts have been celebrating lesbianism for years.


15 posted on 05/27/2013 9:52:24 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/econohttp://www.fee.org/library/det)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

>>I hate to say this, but is seems to be in part, the Mormons who are responsible for this.

Please explain why you think this.


16 posted on 05/27/2013 9:54:33 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: VitacoreVision

Wherever homosexuals congregate, there are crimes against children. Politically incorrect to state but true nevertheless. The next goal of the gay agenda will be to abolish age of consent laws.


17 posted on 05/27/2013 9:54:39 AM PDT by allendale
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To: headstamp 2

Stick a fork in ‘em. They’re done.


19 posted on 05/27/2013 9:57:48 AM PDT by ThomasSawyer (Democratic Underground: Proof that anyone can figure out how to use a computer.)
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To: cblue55

nope the war never ends until you’re dead, and then it only ends for you.

libs know it never ends. learn the one thing useful from them.


20 posted on 05/27/2013 10:02:28 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: cblue55

besides this change is not supported by most scout groups, this was a leadership vote, and they did an open vote to pressure people to cave.


21 posted on 05/27/2013 10:04:29 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: VitacoreVision

May they wither and die.


22 posted on 05/27/2013 10:05:19 AM PDT by tnlibertarian
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To: VitacoreVision
The Boy Scouts are now the Pervert Scouts .... the organization exists for the sole purpose of facilitating the homosexual rape of boys.

Burn It To The Ground.

23 posted on 05/27/2013 10:09:04 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: VitacoreVision

Like we didn’t know that was coming.


24 posted on 05/27/2013 10:11:17 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: VitacoreVision

French gay marriage opponents stage big Paris march (Several hundreds of thousands)

Al Reuters | 05/27/2013 | Tom Heneghan

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/27/us-france-gaymarriage-idUSBRE94P0A320130527?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews

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Georgia PM condemns violence at gay rights march... 5-17-2013

http://www.neurope.eu/article/georgia-pm-condemns-violence-gay-rights-march

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Belgrade, Serbia...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yr_Inbf9aps


25 posted on 05/27/2013 10:14:35 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???")
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To: VitacoreVision

um, this is inaccurate
Boy Scouts are not required to recognize “God”
Their oath does require that they recognize a “higher power” whatever or whoever that may be

Baden-Powell himself was ambivalent on this concept of the judeao-Christian “God”, having spent years in other cultures and developing Boy Scouts as an international organization to develop core values among youth in all cultures, including islam and hindu among others

Fron what I have read it seems Baden-Powell was more into “the God of Spinoza” a spiritual connection with a natural order and an undefined creator of that order

The worldwide organization probably has more non Christians and agnostics than Christians


26 posted on 05/27/2013 10:16:06 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: GeronL

Heck, when I was a Boy Scout fifty years ago we thought the Girl Scouts were being led by some very mannish looking women. The camp counselors depicted on their calendars looked especially butch.

I wish a breakaway Scout group would form nationwide that is completely devoted to the classic virtues & tells the gaytheists to bleep off. It may succeed only at the state level.

Or maybe a gay BSA infiltrator will die at the hands of enraged fathers while on campout. A `Deliverance’ style weighted burial in the rapids might send a warning.


27 posted on 05/27/2013 10:16:35 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: VitacoreVision

The BSA might as well let the atheists in now. They’ve already betrayed everything they once stood for. Caved in to the deviants, spitting in the face of God and country. They are a disgrace. Caved in like abject cowards. That’s what the Scout uniform now represents... cowardice and sodomy. I’ll curse these bastards til my dying breath for this.


28 posted on 05/27/2013 10:18:27 AM PDT by greene66
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To: VitacoreVision

Put me down as demanding that the BSA and the GSA disband.


29 posted on 05/27/2013 10:20:15 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: bigbob

The Girls Scouts allowed Lesbians in decades ago—and ruined it years ago. They removed “God” and allow in Earth Worshipers and pro-homosexual groups and PP to influence the worldview of young girls. I never buy their cookies for a decade now. They warp little girls into the man-hating, communist, pagan, Feminist worldview.


30 posted on 05/27/2013 10:20:59 AM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: VitacoreVision

“UNBELIEVE-ABLE” (pun intended as sardonic statement about these atheists)


31 posted on 05/27/2013 10:26:48 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: savagesusie

I can put a plug in for Dollar General’s store brand (Clover Valley) of thin mint cookies. They might not be trefoil shaped but they are dead ringers or even superior in taste to the old Girl Scout cookies.


32 posted on 05/27/2013 10:28:16 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: VitacoreVision

“GIVE AN INCH AND DIE BY THEIR MEASURE”

This is a message that republicans in DC should heed. NEVER GIVE IN AN INCH TO THE LEFT... MAKE THEM FALL ON THEIR SWORDS!

LLS


33 posted on 05/27/2013 10:30:24 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

One thing that helps, is if you understand Mormon history. When the going gets tough, the LDS cave. They have a very strong sense of preservation and hate lawsuits and fear bad PR. If you want them to do (or not do) something, even like have your name removed or avoid excommunication, (we saw this with the editor of Mormonthink.com when he wrote against Romney during the election)go to the media or file a lawsuit (which is why they let blacks have the priesthood). I have predicted for years they will eventually cave to the Homosexual agenda and the first signs are there (like their new website and refusal to excommunicate).


34 posted on 05/27/2013 10:33:48 AM PDT by reaganaut (Kyrie eleison...Christe eleison...Kyrie eleison)
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To: silverleaf

Boy Scout Oath

“On my honor I will do my best
To do my duty to GOD and my country
and to obey the Scout Law;
To help other people at all times;
To keep myself physically strong,
mentally awake, and morally straight.”

Boy Scout Law

“A Scout is:
Trustworthy, Loyal, Helpful,
Friendly, Courteous, Kind,
Obedient, Cheerful, Thrifty,
Brave, Clean, Reverent”

My source: Boy Scouts of America

http://www.scouting.org/sitecore/content/scoutparents/scouting%20basics/what%20scouting%20is/scout%20oath%20and%20law.aspx


35 posted on 05/27/2013 10:34:27 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: reaganaut

Sorry but I deleted my two posts.

Thanks for your feedback.

:D


36 posted on 05/27/2013 10:36:26 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: VitacoreVision

The correct answer is that the Boy Scouts should pray for the diseased souls of the Freedom From Religion Crowd and that their organization needs to take its diseased plague upon the continent elsewhere.

A life of eternal damnation and a breach in truth and the natural order are no way to guide a boy through life.


37 posted on 05/27/2013 10:36:38 AM PDT by CaspersGh0sts
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

You aren’t wrong on this though.


38 posted on 05/27/2013 10:37:10 AM PDT by reaganaut (Kyrie eleison...Christe eleison...Kyrie eleison)
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To: reaganaut

Yeah.

I know. I was a boy scout, and still have (very) strong feelings about the organization.

I am extremely bummed about what has happened.

That said, I am not currently active.

So I think I will limit my criticisms to what I have made so far.

Let those active in scouting now, worry about what to do about this now.

I said my peace.

Out.


39 posted on 05/27/2013 10:40:28 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: VitacoreVision
If you are being attacked by atheists, know that G-d is pleased.

5.56mm

40 posted on 05/27/2013 10:41:45 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: VitacoreVision

LOL!
Who cares?
The Boy Scouts have already committed suicide. Screw them.


41 posted on 05/27/2013 10:41:54 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: reaganaut

Yes, it seems more like a weathervane spirit. If it’s really God telling them to stand for some moral position then God with all His almightiness (my spell checker flagged that one) will dig in and be in their foxhole and fight along with them. I respectfully bear witness to Mormons that they are apparently worshiping a cowardly god of this world. (And that there is no way that the being slain of a “spirit brother” could save their souls. That is a God sized task.)


42 posted on 05/27/2013 10:44:51 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: Lancey Howard

For the Lord’s sake, not the BSA’s sake, don’t saw them off so easily. But fight with spiritual weapons, not fleshly ones.


43 posted on 05/27/2013 10:45:54 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: AppyPappy

“Not atheists. Anti-theists.”

Very true. Let’s be perfectly clear about that.


44 posted on 05/27/2013 10:50:22 AM PDT by CaspersGh0sts
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To: VitacoreVision
Most of us probably to some extent discretely shun those from the far left, but I don't think that is enough. We have to make that shunning explicit, open, and clearly linked to their most evil acts. Those from this Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF)and their children need to be completely excluded from decent society by all moral people. Those who support them and the Gay Activists from GLAD/NAMBLA need to be completely shunned. Once they cross the line from thinking that Atheism is okay or gay is okay to attempting to force that belief on others, we need to make them feel a personal rejection in response to evil. Once they reject diversity in favor of enforced conformity (words that if tweaked correctly might reach even liberals), we need to make them feel as much emotional pain as possible.
45 posted on 05/27/2013 10:55:44 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: CaspersGh0sts

That’s true; there are non-theists (some on FR) who reject (or at least say they reject) believing in God and yet are still willing to live and let live to Christians. God may still have a toehold in their souls, in fact. Word games can be used to mislead and we have to be careful.


46 posted on 05/27/2013 10:56:36 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: Pollster1

The true spirit of Christ (and it can only be had by digging into Christ, so to speak, not by philosophizing) will be to try to separate the sinner from his sin and turn the sinner towards salvation. It inexorably follows from the nature of God.


47 posted on 05/27/2013 10:58:14 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: Pollster1

I.e. while it’s fine to punch back, don’t let that dominate the spiritual conversation. Satan can punch too, and a philosophy of nothing but destructive punches will not (of itself) achieve the Lord’s goal.


48 posted on 05/27/2013 11:00:03 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: LibLieSlayer
you can read more about the definition of what is meant by “God” in the Boy Scout oath as discussed in the policies and programs of the World Organization of Scouts which is the umbrella for all national Scouting organizations

The definition of “god” is different in different cultures and Boy Scouts transcends the Judeao-Christian culture

So the spiritual Creator your boys are pledging to is different than what the boys in India Pakistan Israel Africa and 150 other countries and numerous cultures think they are pledging to

But hey. It's all good

Now we'll have to see what the atheists define as their higher spiritual power and how they may amend the oath

For GS they have taken the language and definitions of reverent spirituality described by WSO and when reciting the GS Promise may substitute a name other than “God” that reflects their higher spiritual belief. I'm sure many GS troops here and abroad are using “Allah” instead of God, BS probably also

49 posted on 05/27/2013 11:02:08 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: VitacoreVision

Am I the only one who sees a major fault of an organization like the Scouts placing leadership in urban centers?

Were another organization to be formed, it would be best for leadership to remain in much smaller towns and more inkeeping with the values and activities of scouting than the plagues of urban life.


50 posted on 05/27/2013 11:03:27 AM PDT by CaspersGh0sts
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