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Illinois House votes to allow residents to carry concealed guns
Chicago Tribune ^ | May 24, 2013 | Joanne Von Alroth

Posted on 05/25/2013 4:25:30 PM PDT by re_tail20

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To: usconservative

Happy to be of service.


51 posted on 05/25/2013 8:05:46 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: usconservative

Constitutional carry in other states is open or concealed. Load your car up with guns and drive wherever, same thing.

Indiana has carry license but most carry concealed, but possible to open carry. Not sure when open carry is beneficial or advantageous unless one is on property or with a group for a function.

Then there’s each state’s knife laws, restrictions which is more b.s. then slingshots and blowguns and ....more wasted time and money by power mad fools who falsely claim they are making the public safe.


52 posted on 05/25/2013 8:12:55 PM PDT by TheBigJ
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To: re_tail20
Illinois is the only state in the nation to ban most people from carrying a concealed gun outside the home

Again, I remind all that Hawaii's May Carry absolutely denies these privileges to anyone except personal buddies of the Chiefs of Police on each island.
53 posted on 05/25/2013 8:34:37 PM PDT by jobim (.)
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To: usconservative

You’re right. A safety course will also be required, on top of the background check and fee.


54 posted on 05/25/2013 9:10:25 PM PDT by re_tail20
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To: re_tail20

WHY EVERYONE NEEDS GUNS

When crap happens and a dangerous nutjob hacks at people, chews a homeless guys’ face off because he’s on bath salts, is trying to murder someone for a few bucks, or wants to cause a riot and chaos,

who comes in to deal with the REALITY OF THE SITUATION WITH THE NECESSARY TOOLS?

Liberal idiot professors and “experts” who, if they can just talk to the person, will get them to stop hacking, and shooting, and slashing and blowing up people?

Or does everyone wait for someone - an ARMED someone - to overpower and take out the nutjob?

Every damn time, they wait for the ARMED person, from wherever they come from - to DEAL WITH THE REALITY OF THIS WORLD.


55 posted on 05/25/2013 9:20:05 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (as with everything, shoving it in people's fc could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Lurker

Exactly. What will the criminals now do in Chicago when the intended victims can shoot back? Should be fun to watch.


56 posted on 05/25/2013 9:56:18 PM PDT by matt04
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To: usconservative

Maybe they are trying to see if they can hit the magic 600th homicide of the year in 2013.


57 posted on 05/25/2013 9:59:04 PM PDT by matt04
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To: Lurker; usconservative
Since only the law against concealed carry we’re found un-Constitutlional only concealed carry will be legal.

Um, not strictly true, as I understand it. Posner's decision in Moore invalidated the UUW law (Unauthorized Use of a Weapon), and he did so because it banned virtually all carry outside the home, conceal, open, whatever. What will happen come the deadline is there will be no valid law against any form of carry. Period. That's one of the reasons the anti-gunners are conjuring up images of the "wild west" if a new law isn't passed. Just imagine what people might do if they were actually free. Our "benevolent thug-ocracy" shudders to think of it.

58 posted on 05/26/2013 12:41:23 AM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: matt04
Looks like they're running a little low of that mark this year thus far. But hey, it's been a colder than normal spring here so I imagine there's a whole bunch of pent up killin' just waiting for a good warming trend.

I think the 100 mark was just hit recently...

59 posted on 05/26/2013 5:08:37 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: matt04
What will the criminals now do in Chicago when the intended victims can shoot back? Should be fun to watch.

The overwhelming majority of homicides/murders in Chicago happen in two or three neighborhoods. My daily train ride into the city to go to work takes me through one of those neighborhoods. It looks like a war zone (I really should video it one day and post the video.)

Those same two to three area's are overwhelmingly black. Even when school children are murdered as innocent bystanders in those areas, the people who live there DO NOT COOPERATE with the police. They just don't.

There's a "don't snitch to the cops" mentality of out fear of also getting themselves shot, and out of distrust of the police who seemingly can never solve a murder in those neighborhoods. (You and I know of course they can't solve the murder if the neighborhood doesn't produce a few witnesses, but the people who live there don't see it that way.)

So I wouldn't be so sure that the people who live in those war zones are going to start shooting back. They've seemingly been "conditioned" to accept the conditions in which they live and the murdering gang-banging thugs that live within their midst.

60 posted on 05/26/2013 5:14:54 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: re_tail20

ISRA EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR’S MEMORIAL DAY MESSAGE

As we all gather with friends and family this Memorial Day Weekend, we need to take time to pause and ponder what the day is all about.

Memorial Day is more than just the beginning of the summer season - it’s a time to reflect on the sacrifices many have made to establish, and preserve the freedoms that have provided this nation with bounty seen by no other.

If you visit a national cemetery this weekend, you can almost hear the whispers of those that came before us. Listen carefully and you’ll hear their pleas to us to protect the special gift of liberty paid for with their blood.

When observing Memorial Day, it’s important to keep in mind that soldiers, past and present, fought to defend our entire Constitution - not just the bits and pieces found fashionable on any particular day. Sadly, the sacrifices of millions of good Americans have been sullied by those who attack our Second Amendment, claiming it is irrelevant, outdated, and dangerous.

The sacrifices of so many brave men and women should serve as inspiration to us to fight on to protect the Second Amendment. The knowledge that so many gave so much should steel our resolve to defeat those whose politics demand that our right to keep and bear arms be diminished.

To attack the Second Amendment is to attack our entire Constitution and the liberties it has engendered. Whether an attack on our Constitution originates from abroad, or whether it is uttered on the floor of the Congress is inconsequential. One attack is no different than any other. As Americans, we must stand up and vigorously defend our rights and push back those who would infringe upon our freedoms.

In closing, I ask you to do two things this weekend. First, celebrate the freedoms for which others fought so valiantly. Second, honor the sacrifices of our troops by recommitting yourself to the tireless defense of our nation’s Constitution and the guiding principles upon which this nation was founded.

Richard Pearson
ISRA Executive Director


61 posted on 05/26/2013 7:20:06 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: Lurker
*** We need to see the details of this Bill. ***

Howdy, I read the Bill. Link was in the Slum-Times or Trib one day last week. I found it through 'Second City Cop'.

IMO there's some 'problems' in it. For one the CCW Permit Cost itself and all the other costs involved for all the Certifying you need done. And the way its written on 'mental health' is murky; Wasn't clear if everyone needs a letter from a Shrink 'certifying you're okay', or only those that have had 'Mental Issues' in the past five years. Natch it *should be* the latter. But here in IL who the heck knows.

But it's the only dang thing that will be close to passing over Gov Potato Head's and 'our'(/s) Murder Mayor, Tiny Dancer 9.5 objections. (the IL Senate will fold to Madigan, they just have to blow smoke now for show)

Cocked, locked, and ready to Rock!
[getting used to the weight of that 1911 on my belt now, I wear it around the house for hours]

62 posted on 05/26/2013 8:41:11 AM PDT by Condor51 (Si vis pacem, para bellum.)
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To: Yo-Yo

My favorite thing about this is that it is happening as a result of the huge nationwide push by the dems to further restrict our 2A rights.

This is a huge slap in the face to all the anti-Constitutionalist gun-grabbers out there!


63 posted on 05/26/2013 9:49:39 AM PDT by generally (Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Thanks for the map.

This is one place I’d like to see the red disappear. In fact, I’d like to see it go green. A US citizen shouldn’t have to worry about carrying across state lines. I ought to be able to get in my car and drive anywhere in the US with my gun without having to worry about violating a law because I’ve crossed a state border.


64 posted on 05/26/2013 9:51:59 AM PDT by generally (Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: Condor51

1911, eh? Another Freeper of taste and refinement I see. I’ve got a stainless steel Commander model that’s just itching for some fresh air.


65 posted on 05/26/2013 10:04:55 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: re_tail20

“If no bill is signed into law by June 9, and they adjourn next week, it will be de facto legal concealed carry anywhere in Illinois, even in Cook County and Chicago.”

Thanks for the info, bud.


66 posted on 05/26/2013 10:35:52 AM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company after the election, & laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: generally

Agreed.

I consider having to get permission from the State to carry concealed as a form of gun registration.

The Founding Fathers seemed to be of the opinion that the 2nd Amendment could be concealed or unconcealed.


67 posted on 05/26/2013 11:46:30 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I'm a Conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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