Posted on 05/24/2013 7:06:05 PM PDT by rhema
Its hard to beat the history of the scouts. Which is why they were a target.
Dues are collected and submitted annually in the form of chartering fees. The charter is what gets the unit recognized in the local council and national. Various benefits flow from this recognition, including use of council camp facilities, leadership training for boys and adults, travel insurance for outings, etc. The biggest loss for the boys will be the summer camp where multiple merit badges could be done to meet rank advancement requirements. Larger high adventure opportunities like Philmont become a significant logistical challenge, as well as being shut out of events like this year’s National Jamboree.
Could a group of concerned parents replicate these attributes? Sure they could but being able to do it inside a larger context of resources and support certainly eases the logistics. Don’t take me wrong — I absolutely oppose the choice made in this week’s vote but having BTDT in a Scout troop for over 10 years as a volunteer leader, I have to recognize how difficult it would have been to deliver that same program outside the BSA.
Without question, it is the end of the Boy Scouts — a venerable organization which, thanks to the Velvet Mafia, will hitherto be known as the ‘Gay Scouts.’
I like it.
I find it ironic that this decision was made the same week the papers were full of the news of an 18-year-old lesbian cheerleader in Florida getting prosecuted for sexually molesting a 14-year-old classmate.
Yeah, lets have older, openly homosexual scouts out camping with their 14-year-old packmates - what could go wrong with that?
Is that Takei in a scout uniform? Damn they ought to make him president, and have him teach the cornhole merit badge.
I agree 100%.
Give it a month, and see whether some competitor hasn’t joined in a race, which will eclipse the Boy Scouts.
I’ll back a worthy competitor.
Absolutely.
I don't understand, Jeff. Does this statement mean that your support for the mormon church will end because of its continuing support of BSA's policies as noted in this article?
LDS Church responds to Boy Scouts of America's policy vote
"As in the past, the Church will work with BSA to harmonize what Scouting has to offer with the varying needs of our young men. We trust that BSA will implement and administer the approved policy in an appropriate and effective manner."
Post #69 was meant to be a reply to you, Jeff.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3023597/posts?page=69#69
Within the church, they will continue to foster and hold Boy Scouts Troops with the idea that if a young man who has these inclinations and desires resists that temptation and remains celebate, then he can participate just as he does in Church.
The Church feels that with its influence and leaderships, within its own troops it can hold the line.
While I can agree with the spiritual aspects of this for young men who are serious about overoming this sinful life style, I cannot and will not support it in scouting.
There will be many who are now recruited by the homosexual agenda to target church troops now so they can infiltrate their agenda within those organizations. I know this, and will not support it.
I hae informed my Bishop and Stake President who are men I know personally. They agree in principle, but will implement the church program in an effort to hold the line and help young men in these circumstance.
I cannot support this private organization and they understand it. Financial, material, and service support of the BSA has never been a measure of Church membership. That is not changing.
Jeff, does this mean that the LDS troops will be allowing openly gay boys to hold the Aaronic priesthood so that they may participate fully in the scout leadership?
....”BSA now provides fresh meat for the male pedophile gays.”.....
Which they will know where to go now since the flag is out announcing they are there...Oh is there a there there?
....this will k*ll the Spirit of our youngest minds in their developmental stages just as it’s doing in the schools.
“Evil will ‘grow’ worse and worse”
I'm wondering if in the interview between bishops and young men before receiving the aaronic priesthood, the question of homosexuality will be asked with the same importance as the question of masturbation. I'm of the opinion that these invasive interviews will face civil suits by parents of homosexuals while they have been condoned by parents of normal young men.
Agreed. Seeing some of those book reviews is what prompted me to buy a copy of the book all those years ago.
Jeal himself was definitive: "The evidence available points inexorably to the conclusion that Baden-Powell was a repressed homosexual."
I can't put my hands on my copy at the moment. Is that an exact quote? Of the evidence presented in the book, the only incident that made me stop and go, "Hmmmmmm ..." was B-P's letter to the Charter House master requesting to see, again, the album of nude photos of the boys.
However, Jeal's observations were used by others for their own, homosexual, agenda, in Wikipedia and elsewhere. The New York Times Review of Books 1992 review of Jeal's book asked "Was B-P a closet queen?" A New York Times op-ed last year promoting gay scout leaders awarded B-P a "Rainbow Merit Badge" and was sub-titled "Scouting's Gay Founder?". A quick search will reveal sites that include B-P on lists of famous paedophiles and gloat over "the truth about Baden-Powell". ...
Now, that is the kind of documented info that is helpful. I had forgotten about, or didn't ever see, those reviews. Thanks for sharing.
I believe that you should crack open Jeal's book again and look at it with more aware eyes. My apologies if you find my advice offensive. I have found that my own awareness has grown over the years.
Yeah, it is a little abrasive, but I agree with your point that one acquires new insight over the years.
I did a calculation once for a typical Boy Scout and the number of man-hours he spends in Scouting. About 75% of his time during the year is involved with his troop. The balance includes district/council events. I think 1 of the biggest handicaps will be the lack of access to BSA's bookstore.
I totally missed that was him. Thanks for pointing that out. I was aware that he became totally PO'ed at BSA after the SCOTUS BSA v Dale (2000) case. I was aware that he and Jennifer Tyrrell participated in the 43rd Annual LGBT Pride March in NYC last year. They rode together in a flaming red car sponsored by GLAAD/Scoutsforall.
Mid-1980s – early 1990s – BSA’s marketing campaign to increase membership included a series of TV ads/PSAs. Some of the high-profile men, who had been Boy Scouts, included in the ads were POTUS #38 GRF, astronaut Jim Lovell, baseball Hall-of-Famer Hank Aaron, Academy Award winning film actor Jimmy Stewart, comedian Rich Little, and “Star Trek” actor George Takei.
In 1942, George Takei’s family was forced to live in the horse stables of Santa Anita Park (Los Angeles, CA) before being sent to the Rohwer War Relocation Center for internment in AR. His family was later transferred to the Tule Lake War Relocation Center in CA. He and his family returned to Los Angeles at the end of WWII. He became a member of Boy Scout Troop 379 chartered to the Koyasan Buddhist Temple. He played bass bugle in his troop’s drum and bugle corps and marched in Fourth of July parades. In OCT 2005, Takei, aged 68, revealed during an interview in an issue of Frontiers magazine that he was gay and had been in a committed relationship with his partner, Brad Altman, for 18 years. He later stated that his 1st homosexual experience occurred at a scout summer camp in the late 1940s.
The argument FOR same-sex marriage is directly contradicted by the argument for allowing homosexual males into the Boyscouts.
According to Gender Studies people, we can no longer think of homosexual males or females in terms of their SEX & think of them as queer or deviant or disordered or abnormal males or females. The claim is that “gay” and “lesbian” are real & distinct GENDERS which must be recognized & appreciated as being thus. THIS and only this, is the basis of their arguments FOR “same- sex marriage”. They argue that the SEX of “gays” or “lesbians” is immaterial, but that their “GENDER” is paramount.
BUT the argument for “gays” in Boyscouts runs exactly COUNTER to the argument for same-sex marriage as equal rights for differing GENDERS. The argument for “gays” in Boyscouts is to claim that SEX, ie common “maleness” should be held paramount to any “gender” concerns-—ie, that “gay” boys really are NOT different, thus they must be treated the same as “straight boys” and belong to the same groups & associations......(but then this also is contradicted by allowing “gay” and “lesbian” groups in public schools-—as if they are different.
See how slippery the logic is with regard to “gay” issues? They are the “same” for this....but “different” for that! It’ ALL bunk.
You can’t argue that “gay” is a different GENDER when arguing for same-sex marriage, but then contradict yourself by claiming that “gay” boys belong with different -gendered “straight” boys because male sameness trumps gender differences!
People are dunces and cowards. They will claim that we need to show compassion towards “gay sinners”, but gays claim they are NOT sinners, but a different gender entirely.
The reason WHY there is such a fight for putting different-gendered ‘gay” boys & “gay” leaders in Boyscouts is because liberals consider scouting as hatching ground for Christian conservatism and therefore want to ruin it. They want to turn scouts into a place to indoctrinate into liberalism instead of into conservatism. But WHY do people out their kids into scouting in the first place? They want their straight boys initiated and brought into the world of straight men, so they grow up to be good and decent MEN.
If being “gay” truly is a different “gender” why would people even want their openly “gay” sons in Boyscouts—other than to undermine the very purpose of Boyscouts?
Young men are interviewed before receiving the Aaronic Priesthood in the Church and moral issues and their moral life is specifically discussed. If there are problems, where sexual sins of any nature have occurred or are occurring, they do not receive the Priesthood until they have repented and stopped such activity, and shown that they have repented and are depending on the Atonment of Christ to overcome such behavior.
The Church has always tried to extend the same type of understanding to Scouts. Now they will no longer be able to do so. They will have to accept openly gay scouts into their troops. And the homosexual community will be specifically targeting the LDS and other Churches in the hopes of creating law suites against them for this very thing.
This is why in my letter now reads, in regards to this specific issue, as follows:
"My church, the LDS Church, will continue with the scout program within its own congregations until and unless Scouting accepts adult leaders who are homosexual. That is where the LDS Church has drawn its own line. The Church teaches that homosexuals can be members of the church as long as they are celebate in these desires. In other words, they can have urges, but if they resist temptation and rely on the atonementof Christ, then they can be members in good standing just as much as a heterosexual who resists temptation to commit fornication or adultery.
"While I can understand this, and agree with it spiritually when it comes to young people who are serious about trying to overcome this deviant lifestyle...I cannot support it in scouting where the admission policy will allow "openly," gay scouts into the organization who have no intention of changing. This "open" admission policy will unavoidably and legally conflict with the church's desire to help influence young men away from this life style. There will be no avoiding it...and the homosexual community knows it and intends to exploit it. For this reason, and the reasons I just enumerated above, I personally cannot support the Boy Scouts of America any longer...as long as such a policy exists."
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