guess the stooopid cow need a better lawyer...
Posted on 05/22/2013 2:12:59 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
She reminded me so much of Hillary Clinton. I hope they both go to jail.
Why would the Rino’s be upset about Obama’s IRS targeting Tea Party
and conservative groups? The answer. They’re not.
When they closed the hearing, Issa said they were going to consult their counsel.
Obviously .. they did .. and found out Trey Gowdy was correct.
When you want to Declare the 5th, you cannot say anything but: “I invoke the 5th Amendment and I refuse to answer on the grounds that it may/might incriminate me”.
That information is the only thing you can say. So, she either got HORRIBLE legal counsel, or she made the preliminary statement WITHOUT HER COUNSEL’s consent or knowledge. Either way .. it says to me .. the left thinks the repubs are so stupid, they won’t know she can’t make a statement and also invoke the 5th.
Thank goodness for Trey Gowdy - who being a former PRESECUTOR, knew what the law said. And .. it showed up Cummings - AGAIN - for the partisan he is .. by saying Shulman was a “Bush appointee” (while neglecting to say that Shulman was a DEMOCRAT DONOR).
And re Cummings comment that the hearing should be like a court hearing. Trey Gowdy with his Prosecutor’s knowledge showed up Cummings again; exposing the folly of Ms. Lerner’s attempt at the 5th Amendment.
maybe this one will try to make some kind of deal, now, to save her own insipid hide, by spilling a whole plate full of beans on barry
“I have read many articles of Lerner Harassing religious orgs”
I keep waiting for someone or some entity to stress the IRS’ harassment of Billy Graham and Franklin Graham. These are people who have always been above reproach, and even the biggest libs can’t deny that. Showing that Billy Graham was a victim of the IRS would make it possible for even the most ignorant lib “get it”.
In the court of Public Opinion, Lerner rolled Issa today. Her self serving
Statement proclaiming her innocence is getting heavy rotation on news
channels, which is exactly what Lerner wanted.
Issa got rolled today, which is why he wants he back.
I couldn't believe that he didn't put a hold on the proceedings to confer with Gowdy or another attorney.
What was the rush?
I sure hope she returns.
Issa rolled over like Webb Hubbell.
They should bring her in every day, all day for the rest of her life. At least that way, she wouldn't have time to assault the rest of us.
No harassment of Rev Wrights church though. They still have their exemption.
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From 2008
Obama Pastors’ Sermon May Violate Tax Laws
Excerpt:
Mr. Wright wasn’t at a convention or a campaign stop. He was standing at the pulpit before the mostly African-American congregation of Chicago’s Trinity United Church of Christ, where Sen. Obama has worshiped for more than 20 years.
Mr. Wright, who will be ending his 36-year tenure as the church’s senior pastor in June, has previously been criticized for comments deriding President George Bush and lauding Louis Farrakhan of the Nation of Islam. Now Mr. Wright’s and his successor’s repeated enthusiastic promotion of their famous parishioner may be running afoul of federal tax law, which says churches can endanger their tax-exempt status by endorsing or opposing candidates for public office.
Sen. Obama’s campaign issued a statement saying that he has repeatedly stressed that personal attacks “have no place in this campaign or our politics, whether they’re offered from a platform at a rally or the pulpit of a church.” The statement also said he “does not think of the pastor of his church in political terms. Like a member of his family, there are things he says with which Senator Obama deeply disagrees.’’ Mr. Wright declined to comment./
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120511457633523621.html
I’m not a lawyer and I hope they get this bitch — but it does seem like a person ought to be able to take the 5th on some questions and answer others...presuming they only feel that some of them potentially incriminate themselves.
guess the stooopid cow need a better lawyer...
Best line heard today:
“Lerner is taking the fifth,
Biden is drinking a fifth,
Obama is playing the fifth”
Can we PLEASE get some adults back in the Executive Branch of our government???
Choosing only certain questions to avoid by taking the 5th would lead to assuming guilt on those questions, something the invocation is trying to avoid.
Can’t imagine a lawyer telling a client to pick and choose.
When is she going back if she makes it back.
excellent point, thanks.
Yes, but I can’t imagine a lawyer advising her to first proclaim her innocence of any criminal act and then assert the right to not incriminate oneself.
That’s having it both ways. First you get to testify to your complete innocence. Then you get to avoid all questions that might incriminate you, thereby proving either a) that your first statement to be a lie, or b) that you have no grounds for invoking the fifth. Whichever it is needs to be sorted out.
Either she should be required to recant her first statement, her proclamation of innocence, or she should be required to answer questions bearing upon her innocence, since she’s asserted it.
You can’t have it both ways. The fifth amendment only allows you to avoid testifying against yourself. It’s not a “free pass” on all further questioning after you’ve asserted your innocence. In fact, invoking the fifth is usually construed as an admission that you do have information that could be self-incriminating. You just can’t be forced to put the incriminating information on the table.
Maybe instead of requiring her to recant her original statement of innocence, it would be sufficient to point out that by invoking the fifth, she’s nullifying her original statement, but I’d prefer she be asked to withdraw it on her own. That would bring her invocation of the fifth in line with what we normally consider it to be...reasonably clear evidence that the invoker feels he or she might have committed a criminal act. That would also set in motion an effort to determine the extent of her criminality via other investigative paths.
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I love it! I’m innocent. I broke no laws. That is why I am not even going to answer questions. Because I am innocent. Good day.
People need to contact Issa and Gowdys office and encourage them not to give up. Then call your own Congressperson and let them know that you will never be able to trust this organization again unless people face stiff penalties and lose their government perks.
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