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Lois Lerner didnít say anything today. Why thatís a bad thing for the Obama Administration.
WaPo ^ | May 22, 2013 at 2:58 pm | Chris Cillizza

Posted on 05/22/2013 12:10:59 PM PDT by Red Steel

Oh Lois Lerner, you say it best when you say nothing at all.

As expected, Lerner, the head of the Internal Revenue Service’s tax-exempt office, pled the Fifth Amendment rather than testify today in front of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee about her role in the targeting of conservative groups.

In her silence — she technically didn’t refuse to testify but rather she invoked her right to not incriminate herself — Lerner may have done herself some good, legally speaking, but she didn’t do any favors for an Obama Administration that is doing all it can to snuff the controversy out.

Here’s why.

First of all, Lerner has been, from the get-go, the face of this scandal. But now she is the face AND the voice of it. After today, the entire country — or at least those people paying some attention to the news — will have seen the clip of Lerner saying that she had “not done anything wrong” just before she invoked her right not to answer questions from members of Congress.

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1 posted on 05/22/2013 12:10:59 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

Josh Marshall (10:15a.m.): Lerner Must Go talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2013/… Ezra Klein (9:45a.m.): Heads should roll at IRS washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog…— John McCormack (@McCormackJohn) May 22, 2013


2 posted on 05/22/2013 12:13:04 PM PDT by Perdogg (Sen Ted Cruz, Sen Mike Lee, and Sen Rand Paul are my adoptive Senators)
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To: Red Steel

If you didn’t do anything wrong then why not testify?


3 posted on 05/22/2013 12:14:39 PM PDT by doc
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To: Red Steel

Can she take the fifth if she is sued in civil court? You can find out a lot more in a civil proceeding than a criminal.


4 posted on 05/22/2013 12:15:13 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Mamzelle

She deprived thousands of people their First Amendment rights of Speech and Association.

They are suing.

Drag this b*tch through courts for the rest of her life.


5 posted on 05/22/2013 12:17:54 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie ("The White House can't be trusted." - Ron Fournier, National Journal)
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To: Red Steel
I'm not a lawyer...or a political strategist...but if the Chairman of that Committee (Is it Rep Issa?) proposes that she be given immunity that might just be even worse for our Community Organizer-In-Chief.
6 posted on 05/22/2013 12:18:05 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Leno Was Right,They *Are* Undocumented Democrats!)
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To: Red Steel

But she says she did nothing wrong. Alrighty then, let’s move on.


7 posted on 05/22/2013 12:20:06 PM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: Gay State Conservative

She would need witness protection and plastic surgery to go along with her immunity. It’s the Chicago Way, doncha know.


8 posted on 05/22/2013 12:20:18 PM PDT by tgusa (gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger .......)
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To: Red Steel

She’s in ‘protect 0bama’ mode. Trey Gowdy was the only conscious person in the room and called her on making a proclamation while at the same time pleading the 5th. She essentially testified then said she wouldn’t. One strike against Issa.


9 posted on 05/22/2013 12:20:20 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: Gay State Conservative

I say get the Federal Marshalls or the Capitol police to arrest this woman and send her to Gitmo until she speaks about her terrorist activities against the American people.


10 posted on 05/22/2013 12:20:29 PM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: Huskrrrr
But she says she did nothing wrong. Alrighty then, let’s move on.

Does this mean I can "move on" if - when called in for an IRS audit - I simply say "I did nothing wrong."

11 posted on 05/22/2013 12:21:08 PM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: Mamzelle
Can she take the fifth if she is sued in civil court?

I don't think you can "take the 5th" in a civil court because there's no prospect of a *criminal* conviction.I think you can refuse to testify but doing so,at the very least,places your chances of victory at risk.and if you're found to have *perjured* yourself in a civil proceeding...well,just refer to Jones v Clinton.

12 posted on 05/22/2013 12:21:26 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Leno Was Right,They *Are* Undocumented Democrats!)
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To: Red Steel
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13 posted on 05/22/2013 12:22:08 PM PDT by baddog 219
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To: Mamzelle
Can she take the fifth if she is sued in civil court? You can find out a lot more in a civil proceeding than a criminal.

No. The 5th ONLY applies to criminal charges. It has no bearing at all in civil cases.
14 posted on 05/22/2013 12:23:55 PM PDT by Signalman
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To: Red Steel

Incredible comments on that WaPo story.

“Effort by Bush era holdovers in IRS to embarrass the administration”

I have to say the huge squad of internet posters on the Baraqqi staff are quick to respond.....


15 posted on 05/22/2013 12:24:34 PM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: Red Steel

I didn’t do anything wrong = I did not have sex with that woman.


16 posted on 05/22/2013 12:25:37 PM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: Steely Tom

“Does this mean I can “move on” if - when called in for an IRS audit - I simply say “I did nothing wrong.””

Actually, tax court is the only place where you must prove your innocence. Reasonable doubt is not enough.


17 posted on 05/22/2013 12:26:20 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Red Steel

We need to find out more about the Washington legal office that Lerner’s group was collaborating with on these cases.


18 posted on 05/22/2013 12:26:52 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

He’s correcting that right now.


19 posted on 05/22/2013 12:28:48 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: firebrand

Calling her back. Recessed, not adjourned.


20 posted on 05/22/2013 12:29:37 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: Red Steel

Issa just said that he is “looking in to the possibility of recalling her and that the hearing stands in recess”. It looks like Issa is calling her back in!


21 posted on 05/22/2013 12:30:03 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (NO MORE IRS!)
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To: firebrand

I see that. He should’ve seized upon Gowdy’s observation and not let Lerner go. Gowdy is firing on all cylinders throughout these hearings.


22 posted on 05/22/2013 12:30:42 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: Signalman

“The 5th ONLY applies to criminal charges. It has no bearing at all in civil cases.”

That is in the Constitution?


23 posted on 05/22/2013 12:31:04 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: All

In a courtroom situation (criminal case), a defendant does not have to testify since the government has the burden of proving guilt with independent evidence.

However, if the defendant does decide to testify, he or she can no longer invoke the 5th amendment right (against self-incrimination)and must answer questions posed by the prosecution.

So applying the same standard to today’s hearing, once Lerner gave her opening statement she, in my opinion, no longer had the right to invoke her 5th Amendment right.


24 posted on 05/22/2013 12:31:12 PM PDT by Signalman
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To: Signalman

Well, then, can she even be sued? Does she have immunity?


25 posted on 05/22/2013 12:32:34 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: isthisnickcool

Too late. Her child has a cold and requires her full attention. /s LOL


26 posted on 05/22/2013 12:32:43 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: Red Steel

She screwed up her 5th amendment claim, though. She swore in, declared herself innocent (i.e.: testified to her own innocence of wrongdoing), THEN invoked the 5th.

By making her declaratory statement under oath, she waived her 5th amendment rights.


27 posted on 05/22/2013 12:35:37 PM PDT by MortMan (Disarming the sheep only emboldens the wolves.)
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To: truth_seeker

Yes. “in a criminal case...”


28 posted on 05/22/2013 12:36:22 PM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: Signalman

I agree, and I agree with Gowdy’s lightening quick assessment. Issa did entrap her further by getting her to ‘testify’ to a report. She had the wool pulled over her eyes on that one. LOL


29 posted on 05/22/2013 12:37:08 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

‘lightening’ should be ‘lightning’. Ooops.


30 posted on 05/22/2013 12:37:36 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: Perdogg
Heads should roll at the IRS

Is this one of the talking points that the lefties agreed to late yesterday at the West Wing? It appears that Zero has zeroed in on another scapegoat.

31 posted on 05/22/2013 12:38:23 PM PDT by PuzzledInTX (Everything will be OK in the end. If it is not OK, then it isn't the end.)
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To: PuzzledInTX

What’s sickening about this process is that the DOJ is involved in legal issues. That’s like having a bunch of terrorists guard a consulate! Oh wait..


32 posted on 05/22/2013 12:42:51 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: Mamzelle

She screwed up by giving sworn testimony of her innocence THEN trying to claim the Fifth.

Apparently you cannot give your version and then clam up- you have to allow cross examination.


33 posted on 05/22/2013 12:43:17 PM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

True. Throughout this hearing and the Benghazi hearing I have been amazed.


34 posted on 05/22/2013 12:43:36 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: firebrand
On Drudge now: "ISSA TO HAUL LERNER BACK BEFORE COMMITTEE"

"Lois Lerner lost her rights"

35 posted on 05/22/2013 12:47:03 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

And why they are fighting the special prosecutor idea. But it is becoming clear to most that the idea holds merit in this type of situation.


36 posted on 05/22/2013 12:51:31 PM PDT by PuzzledInTX (Everything will be OK in the end. If it is not OK, then it isn't the end.)
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To: Red Steel; Revolting cat!

Maybe there is still time for her to hit her head and catch the flu as Hillarity did before allegedly testifying before Congress on BenghaziGhazi.


37 posted on 05/22/2013 1:06:49 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: a fool in paradise
Which reminds me. Last time I was called for jury duty, I told (and showed) the judge, "I take the 5th!" I was dismissed.
38 posted on 05/22/2013 1:12:02 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Steely Tom

Seems fair. :0)


39 posted on 05/22/2013 1:17:13 PM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: Uncle Miltie

She misused her office to change the outcome of a Presidential election.

She needs to be charged with a federal crime and sent to prison.


40 posted on 05/22/2013 1:24:42 PM PDT by SusaninOhio
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

If Lerner cannot extricate herself, legally, from this situation she does not seem the type to fall on the sword for Obama. She seems arrogant, self-absorbed, full of hubris, and believes she is smarter than anyone else. If she feels like her tits are in a wringer she will squeal like a stuck pig....unless Obama threatens her or her family before she speakes.


41 posted on 05/22/2013 1:49:51 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter (')
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To: Texas Songwriter
She looked high to me, like she had smoked a joint before her appearance. I don't smoke pot but I know glassy eyes when I see them.
42 posted on 05/22/2013 1:56:41 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

Maybe she’s a member of the Choom Gang?


43 posted on 05/22/2013 1:57:21 PM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: Texas Songwriter
arrogant, self-absorbed, full of hubris, and believes she is smarter than anyone else... a liberal.
44 posted on 05/22/2013 1:58:18 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Red Steel

How do you invoke the protection against self-incrimination if you “didn’t do anything wrong”? What’s to incriminate?


45 posted on 05/22/2013 2:12:52 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: Red Steel

What did the president know and when did he know it?


46 posted on 05/22/2013 2:13:13 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: Red Steel

I still can’t help thinking this a trap of some type; she has voluntarily crawled under the Bus and is pounding on the undercarriage to have the driver take off. Maybe she did this so she couldn’t get fired as just exercising her Constitutional rights is not grounds for termination. Eventually her underlings will have to testify, how comfortable will that be to come to work the next day and have her there glaring out her window at you.


47 posted on 05/22/2013 3:15:09 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Plan "B" is now Plan "A")
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

Maybe they gave her a little something to calm her nerves.


48 posted on 05/22/2013 3:19:20 PM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs stay silent.)
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To: TBP

“words matter”
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/09/05/words-matter-amateur-compilation-reel-pits-obama-against-himself/

“most transparent administration ever!”


49 posted on 05/22/2013 3:32:59 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: Signalman

I understand your point but what is the end game? If she refuses to answer questions she can be held in contempt and sit in jail?I don’t think it would be a good idea at this early stage in the game.


50 posted on 05/22/2013 5:09:29 PM PDT by cornfedcowboy (Trust in God, but empty the clip.)
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