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Boy Scouts at the Brink
On My Honor.Net ^ | 5/22/2013 | Albert Mohler

Posted on 05/22/2013 9:53:21 AM PDT by MacNaughton

Meeting Thursday in Grapevine, Texas, the National Council of the Boy Scouts of America will decide whether it will retain or revise its historic membership policy on the issue of homosexuality. The 1,400 voting members of the B.S.A. National Council hold the future of one of America’s most iconic organizations in their hands. In reality, they are not only deciding a matter of membership policy. They are actually deciding the future of the entire organization.

The culture wars came to the Boy Scouts many years ago. For the last few decades, the Boy Scouts have had to fight battles with both secularists and homosexual activists. The secular challenge came first, with demands that the Scouts drop their historic requirement that boys affirm belief in God as a criterion for membership. Soon thereafter, the demand for the full inclusion of homosexual members and leaders followed. The Scouts have had to fight legal battles both locally and nationally, costing the venerable organization millions of dollars in legal fees. In 2000, the B.S.A. prevailed at the U.S. Supreme Court when the nation’s highest court ruled that the Boy Scouts had a constitutional right to exclude openly gay boys and leaders from the organization, so long as that exclusion is based in one of the organization’s core convictions — an “expressive message.” The B.S.A. won the case because that is exactly what they claimed. They argued that excluding openly homosexual boys and leaders from Scouting was necessary and required by the Scout Oath.

Last year, the B.S.A.’s board affirmed the policy in no uncertain terms. Bob Mazzuca, then the organization’s chief executive, said: “The vast majority of the parents of youth we serve value their right to address the issues of same-sex orientation within their family, with spiritual advisors and at the appropriate time and in the right setting.” In other words, the B.S.A.’s chief executive said that the board recognized that “the vast majority of parents” did not want the policy changed. Deron Smith, the B.S.A.’s national spokesman said that a special committee asked to advise the national board “came to the conclusion that this policy is absolutely the best policy for the Boy Scouts.”

That was less than a year ago. Then, just a few months later, everything changed. Earlier this year, the B.S.A. announced a proposed change that would remove the restriction as a matter of national policy, leaving the decision about the inclusion of openly homosexual scouts and leaders to local units. This proposal, rushed after a leak within the organization let the word out to the public, was greeted with a firestorm of protest. As many predicted, that policy proposal went nowhere. A local option on an issue of this importance would satisfy no one and would lead to geographical problems that would be insurmountable. Furthermore, parents would be in the position of having to interview local Scout units in order to determine which did and did not accept openly homosexual scouts.

Shortly after that proposal was released, it was withdrawn. Then the B.S.A. announced that it would ask people from all levels of scouting, including parents, to participate in a survey on the issue. That survey, filled with strangely awkward and candid questions, was received by the B.S.A. a few weeks ago. Then, last month, the B.S.A. announced its new proposal, and the National Council will decide its fate on Thursday.

The new proposal calls for the inclusion of openly homosexual boys within the Boy Scouts, but retains the exclusion of openly-gay adults. For a second time, the B.S.A. attempted to find a compromise solution that would, at least, buy the organization some time. But, for a second time, the organization actually created an impossible and unworkable proposal that, once again, will please no one.

The problems with the new policy are legion. In the first place, it fundamentally surrenders the very “expressive message” that had been recognized by the Supreme Court back in 2000. Surrendering that core conviction is, in itself, both a moral and a legal disaster. There is no reason to believe that the federal courts will now allow the B.S.A. to exclude gay adult leaders if the organization abandons its “expressive message” that homosexuality is incompatible with the values of Scouting. Some external observers have suggested that the B.S.A., fully aware of their legal surrender, just expects a court to require them to allow openly-homosexual adults as leaders, freeing the B.S.A. board from responsibility for making that decision. That will not wash. In reality, they are making that decision now.

The other problems are complex and awkward. How, exactly, are openly-gay boys to be included in the activities of Scouting? We are talking about boys who will now be expected to participate in everything from camping trips to travel with boys who are openly gay. Boys of these ages just might be the least equipped of all God’s creatures to deal with the complexities of the situation. Most parents are likely to decide that, all things considered, this is just not something they want imposed on their sons.

The B.S.A., to its credit, has made clear that all forms of sexual activity are incompatible with the values of Scouting. But, while this is clearly meant to preclude any form of sexual contact, sexual activity is a far broader category, including how an individual presents himself to others. Given the inclusion of openly gay Scouts, any advocacy of belief that homosexuality is sinful will not be tolerated.

What about transgender and “gender questioning” scouts? Public high schools across the country are now dealing with the fact that a student born one gender can demand to play on a sports team of the opposite gender, if a transgender identity is claimed. How will the B.S.A. deal with that issue? It is hard to imagine that their inclusion of openly gay Scouts can avoid the necessary inclusion of transgender and gender questioning youth. Legal authorities increasingly tell organizations and schools that if a young person claims to be a boy (or a girl) the youth must be recognized as whatever gender the youth claims. How is that going to work at your local Boy Scout troop?

Add to this the lack of credibility in a policy that will allow a boy to join the Scouts and progress through ranks, but then require his exit the day he turns 18. Neither side in this controversy can respect that inherent aspect of the proposed policy.

The religious liberty issues are already urgent. About 70% of all B.S.A. units are chartered by churches and religious organizations, the majority of which believe that homosexuality is a sin. Some units chartered by Christian churches require boys to affirm a specific faith commitment and a set of moral guidelines. Will those now be forbidden by national B.S.A. policy?

This policy proposal is a disaster. The B.S.A.’s national leadership has brought their organization to the brink of catastrophe. At the same time, we can recognize that the B.S.A. has been the target of unrelenting pressure for decades now. Press reports indicate that some of the members of the national board have been threatened with shareholder action if they, as corporate leaders, do not deliver on the demand for change.

Furthermore, we must sympathize with the organization’s rightful hope to include as many boys as possible within its honored and respected program. At this point, we should remember that homosexual scouts and scouts with any number of sexual confusions have always been involved in Scouting. But this new policy relates to openly homosexual youth. Bringing that advocacy within an organization for boys is both unwise and calamitous.

A recent Washington Post/ABC News poll indicated that 63% of Americans believe that the B.S.A. should welcome gay scouts and 56% would lift the ban on gay adult leaders. But the survey undertaken by the B.S.A. revealed that of the 200,000 parents, Scouting leaders, and Scouts surveyed, 61% supported maintaining the current policy of excluding gays. Will the members of the B.S.A. National Council listen to their own constituency? If so, the policy will not change.

I am a former Boy Scout who gained much from my experience as a boy in Scouting. I greatly respect the work of countless volunteers and the involvement of legions of boys in the program. I understand the pressures the Boy Scouts of America now faces, and I can sympathize with the board’s attempt to find an escape from such a public controversy. But this proposed policy spells disaster for the Scouts, and, if adopted, that disaster will not be long in coming. The policy proposal the B.S.A. National Council will face on Thursday would surrender principle and forfeit the future of one of the nation’s most honored organizations. The B.S.A. now stands on the brink of disaster. The future of the movement now rests in the hands of the only people who can turn the Boy Scouts back from the brink.


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Albert Mohler is the 9th, and current, president of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary (Southern Baptist Convention) in Louisville, KY.

For those coming late to the party, this is an excellent summation of events that have transpired.

1 posted on 05/22/2013 9:53:21 AM PDT by MacNaughton
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To: MacNaughton

Homosexuals and “Progressives” have no desire to join the Boy Scouts and you not see any difference in supposedly “gay” scouts coming out. Just like marriage, they will not avail themselves of this supposedly new advantage.

Rather, their actions are about destruction - take down the key organizations of tradition - church, boy scouts, military, marriage - so that the rest of society can not find stability there.

Its a kind of societal vandalism - I don’t want to use it, but I don’t want you to use it either, so I am going to deface and destroy it.


2 posted on 05/22/2013 10:02:11 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: MacNaughton

BSA is a private organization. They have the right to set their standards for membership.

The leftist nazis want their way and will stop at nothing to force everyone to conform.


3 posted on 05/22/2013 10:04:13 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Pi$$ed off yet?)
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To: MacNaughton

oh they’ll change the policy, and good parents will keep their kids away from them, and the BSA will become a sad parody of itself. kinda like a monty python version of boy scouts on parade, etc..
and their membership will decline, and nobody will know why, and within a short time they will cease to exist.


4 posted on 05/22/2013 10:09:23 AM PDT by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: MacNaughton

Nearly every faggot I’ve ever known ended up a Fascist.


5 posted on 05/22/2013 10:09:31 AM PDT by MarineBrat (Better dead than red!)
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To: PGR88

That is extremely true and very well put!


6 posted on 05/22/2013 10:10:31 AM PDT by Rich21IE
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To: MacNaughton

I believe no compromise is the order of the day. The BSA shouldn’t even consider it, and am concerned about the BSA leadership that they are.

If the BSA has to tighten their belt due lack of funding, or has to be reduced to local volunteer organizations then so be it. America will rise out of all of this Leftist BS in the future, and the BSA will be able to grow again without such precedence, and history to overcome.

BSA should stand with their convictions.


7 posted on 05/22/2013 10:14:26 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Proud contributer to the Free Republic Q-2 Freepathon.)
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To: MacNaughton
Most parents are likely to decide that, all things considered, this is just not something they want imposed on their sons.

Count me in that group. I will yank both my boys out of the BSA if they change their policy on this issue. A parent has to protect their children.

8 posted on 05/22/2013 10:16:43 AM PDT by TheDon (Inside Every Liberal is a Totalitarian Screaming to Get Out.)
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Not to be a pessimist, but I suspect that the BSA will yield. There is a lot of political pressure being placed upon them, and I think they will give in.

Sadly, it will cost them dearly as Mohler has clearly stated.


9 posted on 05/22/2013 10:16:50 AM PDT by Arkansas Toothpick
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To: MacNaughton

My oldest grandson is an Eagle Scout, serving on the Carrier Bush. His younger brother is a high school sophomore working
on his Eagle project. I tell you this, if the scouts turn gay, knowing their dad, the BSA will be dead to them. Plus their scout troop already has plans to disband if this happens.

But that will suit their enemies just fine. That is their ultimate goal; to eliminate any group that shines a light on their evil.


10 posted on 05/22/2013 10:23:09 AM PDT by yellowhorse (6 good horses, 3 good women)
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To: camle

oh they’ll change the policy, and good parents will keep their kids away from them, and the BSA will become a sad parody of itself. kinda like a monty python version of boy scouts on parade, etc..
and their membership will decline, and nobody will know why, and within a short time they will cease to exist.

You’ve got it right. This is exactly what will happen.


11 posted on 05/22/2013 10:26:07 AM PDT by yellowhorse (6 good horses, 3 good women)
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To: camle

oh they’ll change the policy, and good parents will keep their kids away from them, and the BSA will become a sad parody of itself. kinda like a monty python version of boy scouts on parade, etc..
and their membership will decline, and nobody will know why, and within a short time they will cease to exist.

You’ve got it right. This is exactly what will happen.


12 posted on 05/22/2013 10:27:38 AM PDT by yellowhorse (6 good horses, 3 good women)
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To: yellowhorse

sorry ‘bout that, but it does bear repeating.


13 posted on 05/22/2013 10:29:10 AM PDT by yellowhorse (6 good horses, 3 good women)
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To: MacNaughton

I concur with the others. BSA will commit institutional suicide if they change their policy and go along with the winds of the tyranny of political correctness. Our organization is politically incorrect. Deal with it.

This week is really turning out bad.

My closest friend and Assistant Scoutmaster/troop co-founder moved due to a transfer (Army)
My dad died
My car pool partner and friend just quit
I got food poisoning
The organization to which I’ve devoted ten years and countless tens of thousands of volunteer hours is going to become stupid.


14 posted on 05/22/2013 10:31:47 AM PDT by cyclotic (In a society of wolves, you do not fight back by creating more sheep-Dan Bongino)
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To: yellowhorse

They should disband the ‘Boy Scout’ troop and form another one under a different name.


15 posted on 05/22/2013 10:36:10 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: MacNaughton
IF they cave in to the queers I will resign as a merit badge counselor. This is disgusting.
16 posted on 05/22/2013 10:55:39 AM PDT by JoeFromSidney ( New book: RESISTANCE TO TYRANNY. Buy from Amazon.)
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To: MacNaughton

Admit the homo boys into scouting today and it will be homo Scout leaders next. Now wait a second,..how many homosexual boys do you know that really want to get into scouting? How many lawsuits have been filed by parents that wanted their homosexual sons to be admitted. Probably none. It’s not about fairness; it’s political BS because they want to either have access to young boys, destroy an institution that creates masculine men and has Christian values, or out of spite to prove they can do it as a warning signal to other conservative elements in their way? We know the answer. Stand firm BSA and give the faggots a good wedgie. The people will support you if you take a stand and prove that you believe in what you teach your scouts; to be brave, courageous, and morally straight. If you bow to the Gaystapo you are done. Finished. No more support from conservative groups at all so think carefully before you vote.


17 posted on 05/22/2013 11:17:06 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: MacNaughton

Years ago in my will I included a generous bequest to my church. Unfortunately the church to which my family has belonged for generations has walked away from the teachings of the Bible and they hymns I loved as a child. A year ago I removed the church from my will.

I also had in my will a generous bequest to the university where I received the education that helped me prepare for a successful business career. Over the past two decades it has become a bastion of political correctness and is no longer a place where I would send a young adult to receive a quality education.

Given my disappointment with my alma mater, a year ago I asked my attorney to redraft my will to shift most of the charitable bequest to the Boy Scouts of America. I appears I may soon be calling my attorney again for another revision.


18 posted on 05/22/2013 11:28:02 AM PDT by Soul of the South (Yesterday is gone. Today will be what we make of it.)
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To: MacNaughton

The people putting pressure on the Boy Scouts are a small minority. They don’t want to join the scouts or become leaders. They don’t care if this private institution has to change it’s core values. They just want to destroy anybody or anything that gets in their way of foisting their homosexuality onto society.

I say leave the scouts alone and go start your own organization for gay kids. My family has been involved in scouting for a couple of generations and those of us who are still alive, are all against changing the high principles and standards by which they have always operated. I am an Eagle scout for 50 years now and would not send my medal back like some have done recently but I will not have any respect for the scouts anymore if they buckle under this pressure. The national directors should stand up for what they believe in or resign. They will do more harm than good by changing the rules.


19 posted on 05/22/2013 12:05:54 PM PDT by HotHunt
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To: 17th Miss Regt; 1riot1ranger; 2001convSVT; 2banana; 3catsanadog; 50sDad; Abby4116; ...

Boy Scouts ping


20 posted on 05/22/2013 12:57:12 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("There can be no dialogue with the prince of this world." -- Francis)
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To: PGR88

I have a gay kid in my Scout troop although he may have flipped back to hetero.


21 posted on 05/22/2013 1:02:25 PM PDT by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: cyclotic
14 ... This week is really turning out bad.

May the Almighty take pity on you and comfort you. Tough week, indeed. My condolences on the loss of your father.

22 posted on 05/22/2013 1:16:12 PM PDT by MacNaughton
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To: MacNaughton

The older homos will molest the younger ones. If they go homo, pull your boys out of the scouts. They had a nation-wide perv ring operating prior to law suits in the 80’s and these rules banning homos from the scouts.

The homos have been trying ever since to get back in. We had two in our family raped in the scouts in the 60s.

Gay sex has no place in the scouts.


23 posted on 05/22/2013 1:36:33 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Albion Wilde

thanks for the ping pal.
Having just read about the Brit soldier having his head chopped off and ten dealing with a wanna be tough guy and now this then I’m just fuming


24 posted on 05/22/2013 1:49:38 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: SaraJohnson

People forget history are doomed to repeat it, and they are repeating it. Homosexuals are mentally deranged and that derangement causes them to also be pedophiles.

I wouldn’t let my child get anywhere near a homosexual in any setting.


25 posted on 05/22/2013 1:59:04 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: cyclotic
I concur with the others. BSA will commit institutional suicide if they change their policy and go along with the winds of the tyranny of political correctness. Our organization is politically incorrect. Deal with it.

Being apart from the rest of the world in its commitment to values is what makes the Scouts what they are. Once they abandon that, they're just another group of the same old same old.

26 posted on 05/22/2013 2:10:24 PM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: Albion Wilde

This is disturbing and distressing.


27 posted on 05/22/2013 2:14:02 PM PDT by darkangel82
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To: MacNaughton

Scout leadership gives in to this then Scouting is done IMO . As a Eagle Scout I enjoyed what scouting taught me. The professional career building skills I learned regarding leadership in scouting carried me through 26 years in the military and the past 19 as a civilian contractor.... Skills refined over the years yet the basics were embedded from tenderfoot to eagle.

Can’t see the leadership allowing such PC immoral change without compromising the Scout Oath at the very least. Doom on the leadership if they do.

Note that the Boy Scout Oath has traditionally been considered to have three promises. Those three promises are delineated by the semicolons in the Oath, which divide it into three clauses. The three promises of the Scout Oath are, therefore:

Duty to God and country,
Duty to other people, and
Duty to self

DUTY TO GOD AND COUNTRY: Your family and religious leaders teach you to know and serve God. By following these teachings, you do your duty to God.

Men and women of the past worked to make America great, and many gave their lives for their country. By being a good family member and a good citizen, by working for your country’s good and obeying its laws, you do your duty to your country. Obeying the Scout Law means living by its 12 points.

DUTY TO OTHER PEOPLE: Many people need help. A cheery smile and a helping hand make life easier for others. By doing a Good Turn daily and helping when you’re needed, you prove yourself a Scout and do your part to make this a better world.

DUTY TO SELF: Keeping yourself physically strong means taking care of your body. Eat the right foods and build your strength. Staying mentally awake means learn all you can, be curious, and ask questions. Being morally straight means to live your life with honesty, to be clean in your speech and actions, and to be a person of strong character.

Morally Straight ......


28 posted on 05/22/2013 2:30:37 PM PDT by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: MacNaughton
At this point, we should remember that homosexual scouts and scouts with any number of sexual confusions have always been involved in Scouting. But this new policy relates to openly homosexual youth. Bringing that advocacy within an organization for boys is both unwise and calamitous.

Quite true. Homosexuality is characterized by sexual perversion. Sexual union between same sex couples can only be achieved by deviant and risky behavior resulting in mental and physical health issues, and added costs.

Anyone with significant experience camping and hiking with boys would NEVER allow openly homosexual boys because that would destroy the trek.

Officially endorsing gay scouts would do nothing more than support a transient popular culture that will not endure because it is counter to natural law.

Endorsing a policy contrary to natural law and common sense will only introduce chaos and seal the destruction of a highly successful program. ...very sad indeed.

29 posted on 05/22/2013 4:06:03 PM PDT by olezip (<i>On Tuesday, KY Sen. Rand Paul launched a spirited defense of Apple, whose tax strategies were sub)
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To: MacNaughton

It is worse than this. Churches will also have to make the decision whether they will continue to sponsor Boy Scout troops. If they allow it, they then run into the potential argument that they must allow other homosexual groups to use their facilities under the non-discrimination and civil rights laws.

Our attorney general and Civil Rights Commission here are already arguing that churches are “public accommodations” and therefore cannot exclude homosexuals from using the church for same-sex ceremonies.

Thus far, churches have opposed under the argument of religious freedom. However, once you permits some homosexual groups to use your facility, it is difficult you cannot be forced to allow all homosexual groups.


30 posted on 05/22/2013 5:41:08 PM PDT by kaehurowing
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To: kaehurowing

My church, which has sponsored a Boy Scout Troup for years, will end their relationship with the BSA if the policy is changed. That’s a shame, but Christians can’t compromise on immorality. The same thing will happen in thousands of churches and parishes all over the country. The end of this great institution is near.


31 posted on 05/22/2013 6:14:50 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: NKP_Vet

I suspect my church will do the same thing, although we haven’t discussed it on Session yet. But we could not sponsor an organization whose values are counter to Scripture.


32 posted on 05/23/2013 12:03:29 AM PDT by kaehurowing
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To: HotHunt
I say leave the scouts alone and go start your own organization for gay kids.

That would be the right thing to do, but they are not interested in doing the right thing.

The Boy Scouts is where the $Billions in dollars and real estate are. The gay commies will get all that just by edging in, and running all the Boy Scouts and their parents away.

It has worked like a charm in just about every organized religion in the USA.

33 posted on 05/23/2013 12:32:05 AM PDT by meadsjn
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To: HotHunt
The people putting pressure on the Boy Scouts are a small minority. They don’t want to join the scouts or become leaders.

Correct. They are totalitarian perverts, and their goal is to DESTROY the Boy Scouts of Amercia.

34 posted on 05/23/2013 2:19:44 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: MacNaughton

VOTE NO ON ALLOWING SODOMITES TO INFEST THE BOYS SCOUTS!

http://www.onmyhonor.net/2013/05/22/onmyhonor-nets-ad-in-the-dallas-morning-news/


35 posted on 05/23/2013 3:43:31 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: rockinqsranch

A quote from the sci-fi character, Jean Luc Picard.

Captain Jean-Luc Picard: I will not sacrifice the Enterprise. We’ve made too many compromises already; too many retreats. They invade our space and we fall back. They assimilate entire worlds and we fall back. Not again. The line must be drawn here! This far, no further! And *I* will make them pay for what they’ve done.


36 posted on 05/23/2013 5:16:14 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I’m a conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: Albion Wilde

Last night (Wednesday), we watched the Baltimore 10PM news channel. They covered this story and then presented 3 Tweets — or it may have been emails — from viewers. All 3 comments were pro-homo regarding the BSA. The media are pushing this narrative big time just like they did with redefining “marriage”. Makes me sick.


37 posted on 05/23/2013 8:57:17 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Restore us, O God of hosts; let your face shine, that we may be saved! -Ps80)
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To: ArrogantBustard

America will be destroyed by these cancerous growths in our society if we let them attack our vital organs. I say cut out the cancerous gay commies and save the body.


38 posted on 05/23/2013 10:12:44 AM PDT by HotHunt
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To: NKP_Vet

I notice that the homosexuals have gotten the spam/virus software to warn you that the site is “not safe.” I find that happening on more and more pro-family, pro-marriage and Christian websites, if they take a stand against homosexuality and sexual immorality.


39 posted on 05/23/2013 11:25:19 AM PDT by kaehurowing
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To: Albion Wilde

Just dropped off two sons at their scout meeting tonight, and on the way home, the news reported the BSA decision on the radio.

I don’t want to have this talk yet with my youngest son, but, for him, I’ll have to look for another organization for young boys. (Just like American Heritage Girls is now an alternative for Girl Scouts, there must be an alternative for boys.)


40 posted on 05/23/2013 4:35:08 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: Tired of Taxes

It is over.

The BSA needs to be allowed to wither on the vine.


41 posted on 05/23/2013 4:37:41 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: MacNaughton

Any legal defense the BSA has had when a kid buggers a kid because it was against policy is now going to be over.


42 posted on 05/23/2013 4:39:08 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: PGR88

This about a bunch of boys being targeted for recruitment into the gay lifestyle


43 posted on 05/23/2013 4:39:56 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: MacNaughton
The Boy Scouts have just destroyed themselves.
I will no longer support or donate money to the Boy Scouts Of America.
When they repent from their EVIL SUPPORT of HOMOSEXUALS, I might think about reconsidering my support.
Several of my friends are removing their boys from the Boy Scouts, today.
44 posted on 05/23/2013 4:43:34 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: GeronL

No the BSA needs competition.

They were the real deal. As of today, that is no longer the case.

Time for a new replacement to the Boy Scouts. Competition.

For real.


45 posted on 05/23/2013 4:44:02 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

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46 posted on 05/23/2013 4:48:22 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: PGR88
Rather, their actions are about destruction - take down the key organizations of tradition - church, boy scouts, military, marriage - so that the rest of society can not find stability there.

I'm hoping that the BSA will use a sort of Jiu Jitsu approach and use the actions of the homosexuals to defeat them.

47 posted on 05/23/2013 4:50:54 PM PDT by oldbrowser (We have a rogue government in Washington)
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To: Squantos

I’m really struggling with my future action. I’m a Scout Leader of a troop sponsored by a School PTA. I live in the Bay Area (obviously the most liberal part of the country.) My biggest gripe is about the inconsistency of it all!

The scout oath and it’s meaning have been immutable to me. Now I find out it doesn’t mean what it says, but whatever the current fad interpretation of the day is!?! Of what value is that as a moral compass?

It also felt like - we’ve done a internal study and we aren’t changing our policy. Uhm - that isn’t the answer we want - go back and try again. Okay - we’re changing our policy.... BS!

Finally - my son, an Eagle as of two years ago told me last evening that the work I’m doing down in the trenches as it were is worth while and that I’m making a difference. I had a long Scout Masters conference just before hearing that comment with a very inspiring young man who is an Eagle Candidate (who waited till 3 days before his 18th bday ;-) that gives me hope for our nations future.

So I’m confused as to what my course should be.


48 posted on 05/24/2013 1:51:52 PM PDT by fremont_steve
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To: fremont_steve

Hate to walk away from the BSA as many fond memories and skills were forged with men who cared to pass down such be they fathers, brothers, friends or neighbors......

I don’t see how anything but a massive outcry of all parents, scoutmasters and sponsors can fix this. No good answer. Like wrestling with a muddy pig...no one comes home clean and the pig loves it.... Has to be grass roots anger in handwritten snail mail, email, phone calls all directed to districts and council headquarters.

What actually forced this decision ? Was a lawsuit lost ?

Hope yer well, grateful for the work you do for scouting. Keep me posted if ya have time !

Stay safe !


49 posted on 05/24/2013 7:08:32 PM PDT by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: MacNaughton

Bookmarked for future reference.


50 posted on 05/25/2013 1:24:51 AM PDT by darrellmaurina
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