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Rand Paul: My colleagues just voted to arm the allies of al Qaeda
Foreign Policy ^ | Tuesday, May 21, 2013 | John Hudson

Posted on 05/21/2013 5:01:53 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA

Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) blasted members of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee Tuesday, which voted overwhelmingly to arm elements of the Syrian opposition in a bill co-sponsored by Sen. Robert Menendez (D-NJ) and Sen. Bob Corker (R-TN). "This is an important moment," Paul said, addressing his Senate colleagues. "You will be funding, today, the allies of al Qaeda. It's an irony you cannot overcome."

The legislation, which would authorize the shipment of arms and military training to rebels "that have gone through a thorough vetting process," passed in a bipartisan 15-3 vote. Paul offered an amendment that would strike the bill's weapons provision, but it was rejected along with another Paul amendment ruling out the authorization of the use of military force in Syria. (Connecticut Democrat Chris Murphy was the only senator to join Paul in support of the weapons amendment.)

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Why is so difficult to understand that Muslims killing Muslims is good?
1 posted on 05/21/2013 5:01:53 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA
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2 posted on 05/21/2013 5:02:53 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe - Shall not be questioned)
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To: ConservativeInPA

Que McCain to embarrass himself. Again.


3 posted on 05/21/2013 5:04:51 PM PDT by DManA
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To: ConservativeInPA

They were killing each other just fine without us paying for it.


4 posted on 05/21/2013 5:05:10 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: ConservativeInPA

If we wanted to arm secularist, or at the very least non-salafi opposition to Assad, that moment passed months ago.

The Free Syrian Army is being cannibalized by the Al-Nursa Front, who’s doing the heavy lifting now.

The civil war is a quagmire that we didn’t start, why jump right into the middle of it?


5 posted on 05/21/2013 5:05:38 PM PDT by Shadow44
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To: ConservativeInPA

Ben Ghazi lives on in the Senate.


6 posted on 05/21/2013 5:05:50 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: ConservativeInPA

anything to keep the sh33 pot stirred


7 posted on 05/21/2013 5:06:48 PM PDT by bigheadfred ( barry your mouth is writing checks your ass cant cash)
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To: ConservativeInPA

They will turn around and use these weapons on us.

its bloody obvious.


8 posted on 05/21/2013 5:08:00 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: ConservativeInPA

I don’t see muslim killing muslims. I see us arming muslims to kill non-muslims


9 posted on 05/21/2013 5:11:46 PM PDT by 4rcane
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To: ConservativeInPA







10 posted on 05/21/2013 5:12:24 PM PDT by LyinLibs (If victims of islam were more "islamophobic," maybe they'd still be alive.)
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To: ConservativeInPA

Is it Rand’s turn to play “principled conservative hero” again this week?


11 posted on 05/21/2013 5:18:33 PM PDT by BillyBoy ( Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: ConservativeInPA
Why is it so hard for folks to figure out that arming Moslems to murder Alawites and Christians in Syria ~ is not a good idea.

They aren't going to be killing anybody they think of as a Moslem.

12 posted on 05/21/2013 5:21:41 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: cripplecreek

You got that right. They were killing each other with great abandonment when I was a kid. Why did we have to get involved? They might all be dead by now.


13 posted on 05/21/2013 5:23:50 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: ConservativeInPA

>> rebels “that have gone through a thorough vetting process,”

wait a minute... you say not just ANY old Al Queda jihadi can have these missiles? The Obama administration will be *vetting* the recipients?

That changes everything! NOW I’m comfortable with the idea, because I have Confidence In My FedGov.


14 posted on 05/21/2013 5:27:59 PM PDT by Nervous Tick
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To: cripplecreek

The Senate Foreign Relations Committee just gave Obama and Hillary a get out of jail free pass for doing the same thing illegally via Benghazi (”What difference does it make...?!”).


15 posted on 05/21/2013 5:32:52 PM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: ConservativeInPA

Wonder how many of those arms are going to end up in Ashcanistan and used against our men.


16 posted on 05/21/2013 5:37:17 PM PDT by albionin
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To: ConservativeInPA

“would authorize the shipment of arms and military training to rebels “that have gone through a thorough vetting process”

Vetting by John F. Kerrey? What a travesty. More American money spent to back one group of throat cutters against another group of throat cutters, all of whom whould prefer to be cutting our throats.

Rand Paul Bump.


17 posted on 05/21/2013 5:48:12 PM PDT by SharpRightTurn (White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: cripplecreek

And when they get tired of killing each other, they’ll turn their US freebie weapons on us.


18 posted on 05/21/2013 5:49:43 PM PDT by bgill (The problem is...no one is watching the Watch List!)
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To: ConservativeInPA
Incidentally, Pam Geller reproduces from Pajamas Media that Ambassador Stevens was in Benghazi to coordinate with the Turkish official to buy back stinger missiles from al Qaeda in Libya. It appears Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton, gave stingers to the Al Qaedian fellows who overthrew Qaddafy. Hillary sent Ambassador Stevens to buy them back from the Al Qaeda group as she might have been afraid of the embarrassment that such a revelation would cause if it was made public.

No wonder the Obama administration didn't help Ambassador Stevens. They wanted his lips sealed so this scandal would not come to light.


The Official Underzog website

19 posted on 05/21/2013 5:49:53 PM PDT by Stepan12
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To: ConservativeInPA

I see this administration is rewarding its friends again. /s


20 posted on 05/21/2013 6:08:02 PM PDT by KittenClaws (You may have to fight a battle more than once in order to win it." - Margaret Thatcher)
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To: gaijin

Rand Paul is right. The best thing for the US to do is to let the Arabs fight their own battles and we stay out of it. When Muslims fight each other they have less energy to fight outsiders. But of course Obama can’t help himself, he needs to throw a hail mary pass and he thinks the Syria card can rescue him. Sen. McCain and Sen. Graham are not helping by encouraging Hussein Obama to utilize this strategy.


21 posted on 05/21/2013 6:09:54 PM PDT by TexGrill (Don't mess with Texas)
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To: ConservativeInPA

Muslims will kill Muslims whether we send them money or not.

It’s stupid foreign policy to assist those who hate you and war on you to take over the reins of power in any nation.


22 posted on 05/21/2013 6:36:49 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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23 posted on 05/21/2013 6:40:28 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: xzins
Muslims will kill Muslims whether we send them money or not.

You are exactly right. I was not very articulate in my comment. I had to dash out the door to pick up my daughter from Civil Air Patrol, so I just pushed "Post" without elaborating on what could be achieved for free.

24 posted on 05/21/2013 6:47:15 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe - Shall not be questioned)
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To: ConservativeInPA

I demand an immediate medical examination of all United States Senators! The Democrats cried about the Contras in Nicaragua for years, and now they are OK with intervening in Syria? This makes no sense at all except for mass insanity in the Senate.....or blackmail. And I mean blackmail of our country. What was the threat? They’d shoot down our airliners? What the hell happened in the Middle East?


25 posted on 05/21/2013 6:51:42 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: ConservativeInPA

Another strike against Corker!
What happened to Sequester???


26 posted on 05/21/2013 6:54:10 PM PDT by RginTN
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To: blueunicorn6

Obama has to get rid of the MPADS from Benghazi somehow. This is a profit making venture and probably that is what sold the RINOs on it. RINOs are not smart and they are not principled. They can’t think two steps ahead about unintended consequences like shooting down our airliners.


27 posted on 05/21/2013 7:02:53 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe - Shall not be questioned)
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To: BillyBoy

He’s not a principled conservative hero, but he plays one on TV.


28 posted on 05/21/2013 7:02:59 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: ConservativeInPA; bigheadfred

/bingo


29 posted on 05/21/2013 7:03:08 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: Shadow44; All

“The civil war is a quagmire that we didn’t start, why jump right into the middle of it?”

Americans are the biggest fools in history.

Hussein Obama’s ARAB SPRING is about overthrowing governments and replacing them with Muslim terrorist run governments.

Egypt went well with Hussein’s Muslim brotherhood in power.

Libya, Iraq and Syria are all works in progress. Hussein is supplying weapons to Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups.

Most Americans are waiting for the press to tell them the truth. But the government tells the press what to say and then the parrots repeat the lies.

Don’t believe it? The US Government has been lying to you for decades, and it’s done with ease.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQLxlSBGwMY


30 posted on 05/21/2013 7:03:43 PM PDT by politicianslie (Most Americans can't even recognize massive election fraud. Our first Muslim President laughs at you)
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To: Shadow44; All

“The civil war is a quagmire that we didn’t start, why jump right into the middle of it?”

Americans are the biggest fools in history.

Hussein Obama’s ARAB SPRING is about overthrowing governments and replacing them with Muslim terrorist run governments.

Egypt went well with Hussein’s Muslim brotherhood in power.

Libya, Iraq and Syria are all works in progress. Hussein is supplying weapons to Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups.

Most Americans are waiting for the press to tell them the truth. But the government tells the press what to say and then the parrots repeat the lies.

Don’t believe it? The US Government has been lying to you for decades, and it’s done with ease.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQLxlSBGwMY


31 posted on 05/21/2013 7:04:04 PM PDT by politicianslie (Most Americans can't even recognize massive election fraud. Our first Muslim President laughs at you)
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To: ConservativeInPA

Republicans did not overthrow the government in Libya. That was the Democrat Obama administration.


32 posted on 05/21/2013 7:07:35 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: ConservativeInPA

Impeachment File on Benghazi Coward B. Hussein Obama, aka Barry Soetoro, a legal citizen of the sovereign Nation of Indonesia.


33 posted on 05/21/2013 7:13:20 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Commune-Style Obama'care' violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: ConservativeInPA
What's up with the republican party in Tennessee?

It has a lot of pluses and I'll start to think seriously about the state, but then the Governor or Corker or Lamar will sing, say or do something that even a NE progressive would admire.

34 posted on 05/21/2013 7:17:16 PM PDT by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: politicianslie

I agree!


35 posted on 05/21/2013 7:18:35 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: ConservativeInPA

providing cover for the weapons that were already moved there from Benghazi maybe?


36 posted on 05/21/2013 7:19:49 PM PDT by uncitizen (We Are The Resistance!)
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To: GBA

I have to say that no state is perfect. I like the South. Half of my family is from the South. But there are things messed up even in southern states. MD is hardcore blue. VA is purple. NC is confused. SC has Lindsey. FL isn’t a southern state. AL has no clue when it comes to the 2a. I could go on. The trick is to find a state that has no major cities. There are very few of those states in the country.


37 posted on 05/21/2013 7:23:31 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe - Shall not be questioned)
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To: SunkenCiv
Coordinates which days he's going to play hero as well. One week he's relentlessly filibustering to "save the Republic", the next week it's "I personally don't agree with President Obama's nominee, but I will vote for him anyway because the President has the right to name who he wants"
38 posted on 05/21/2013 7:27:12 PM PDT by BillyBoy ( Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: ConservativeInPA

abna.ir/data.asp?lang=3&Id=421565

UN Envoy Asks Iran to Continue Rigid Efforts to Help Settle Syrian Crisis

Russia’s Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov revealed on Sunday that he had discussed Iran’s involvement in a conference to resolve the crisis in Syria, when he met his US counterpart John Kerry early in May, stressing that the conference cannot succeed without Iran’s participation.

The Russians and Americans agreed during Kerry’s visit to Moscow to set up a conference of international players to end the crisis in Syria. Moscow wants to involve all the nations which took part in the Geneva conference on Syria, and says without Iran’s participation the conference cannot succeed.


39 posted on 05/21/2013 8:10:01 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: Shadow44
If we wanted to arm secularist, or at the very least non-salafi opposition to Assad, that moment passed months ago.

The Free Syrian Army is being cannibalized by the Al-Nursa Front, who’s doing the heavy lifting now.

The civil war is a quagmire that we didn’t start, why jump right into the middle of it?

This is an excellent point.

Bashar al-Assad is enormously evil; and his removal from office would surely discomfit Iran and Russia (which, I believe, would be a good thing).

But if an al-Qaeda faction should replace him--and it now looks as if that very well may be the case--I am not at all sure that this would represent an improvement.

In short, it is a bit like the Iran-Iraq War of the 1980s: One wishes that both sides could lose...

40 posted on 05/21/2013 8:19:45 PM PDT by AmericanExceptionalist (Democrats believe in discussing the full spectrum of ideas, all the way from far left to center-left)
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To: SunkenCiv; BillyBoy

So you’re cool with sending arms to al Qaeda. Me not so much.


41 posted on 05/21/2013 8:27:39 PM PDT by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been offically denied)
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To: SunkenCiv

Who is the alternative?


42 posted on 05/21/2013 8:30:22 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

I posted this a while back on another thread; fits here too:

Syria is a no-win, and therefore possibly a win-win civil war for all parties concerned, except of course, for the innocent people being killed as collateral damage. No matter which side comes out on top in this war, it will be bad news. Either Assad the Dictator maintains his dynasty and iron grip control over his populations, or, in the alternative, the opposition will take over, and the Muslim Brotherhood (plus Al-Qaeda elements) will rule the new Dictatorship, establish Sharia law, as in all of the other Arab Spring turnover countries, and will become an eventual terrorist state and enemy of western countries. Some choice, eh?

However, if we do nothing, which is the preferable choice, nothing happens but more continuous fighting. Therefore keeping the Middle East in turmoil, with continuous fighting right in a neighboring state of Russia (which is fine by me) while two sets of bad actors, Assad and his regime on one side, and the Muslim Brotherhood/Al Qaeda, on the other, busy killing each other off. I feel extremely sorry for the more secularist parts of the Syrian population being adversely affected to the max, but as we already know from other Arab Spring country uprisings, these people never gain control, the Muslim Brotherhood extremists will (example Egypt).

Bottom line, let the Syrians keep on fighting till they wear themselves out, keep the U.S. out of this internecine warfare, and let Russia or others figure this out. John McCain and his constant war mongering notwithstanding, we have no dog in this fight to speak of, except to not get involved in yet another messy Mid East fiasco as we have done so many times before. The only country in the Middle East we have a moral obligation to defend and come to the aid of is Israel, the only true democracy in the whole area of the Mid East, our ally, our ears and eyes to what is going on over there in that forever turbulent region, and our only true friend in the neighborhood. OTHERWISE STAY OUT!


43 posted on 05/21/2013 9:28:55 PM PDT by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: gaijin

Ah, but did these fine, upstanding Islamonazis pass their background checks ?

Oh wait....They don’t need background checks, but We the People do....

Ain’t that a cowinkydink ?


44 posted on 05/21/2013 9:36:55 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (The Doomsday Clock is at 11:59:00......tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock.....)
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To: jpsb
>> So you’re cool with sending arms to al Qaeda. Me not so much. <<

Funny, I never said that, but believe what you want if it makes you feel better. Personally I think Rand's daddy is far "cooler" with al Qaeda's activities than I've ever been.

45 posted on 05/21/2013 11:23:06 PM PDT by BillyBoy ( Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: TADSLOS

“The Senate Foreign Relations Committee just gave Obama and Hillary a get out of jail free pass for doing the same thing illegally via Benghazi”

BINGO


46 posted on 05/22/2013 3:17:39 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Nervous Tick
The Obama administration [Muslim] will be *vetting* the recipients [Muslims]?

Ever hear of Taqiyya.

Muslims lying to Muslims. Perfect! May they all kill each other.

47 posted on 05/22/2013 6:11:20 AM PDT by upchuck (To the faceless, jack-booted government bureaucrat who just scanned this post: SCREW YOU!)
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To: ConservativeInPA

Awesome!

And that God that you’re spending time with your daughter! Too many parents could give a rip.


48 posted on 05/22/2013 6:18:32 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: ConservativeInPA
You will be funding, today, the allies of al Qaeda.

Help me out here. I want to make sure I understand this.

Arming "the allies of al Qaeda" was a job originally assigned to Ambassador Stevens. Apparently he screwed up and was taken down like Vince Foster.

So now the job is being done by the US Senate.

Is that about right??

What guarantee do we have that the Senate will be more competent than Stevens?

49 posted on 05/22/2013 6:28:53 AM PDT by upchuck (To the faceless, jack-booted government bureaucrat who just scanned this post: SCREW YOU!)
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To: upchuck

I don’t think Ambassador Stevens was killed by the White House for screwing up. He died because he was playing with fire and got burned. It’s called blowback.

I saw this in Kosovo when the USA armed Islamic rebels and then when these Islamic rebels went on a pogrom on the remaining Christians and non Albanian populations in Kosovo the US officials on the ground pretended that it was not happening - literally the Muslim could be killing the Christian in front of the American military base and the Clinton State Dept spokesman would say “nope, you are mistaken or that the Christian in question had it coming” because of Milosevic.

In fact, some of the 9/11 hijackers were former Bosnian Muslim jihadists and this fact was kept hidden by the State Dept (and news outlets helped) so the narrative of the USA helping Bosnian Muslims as the good guys would not be sullied and the policy would not be questioned by the American sheeple.

I feel, Stevens died, because of blowback. Libya’s Islamist won and they looked at this fool of an American who was like a liberal idiot thinking he had gone native and had “street cred” because he ate Arab food or some such and they asked themselves “why do we need that fool anymore? Let’s kill him!” And that’s what they did and the State Dept, staffed by people who during the Clinton era supported the same sort of thing in Kosovo were caught flat footed by their own stupidity and tried to cover up the fact they helped Islamist and these Islamists now turned on them and their war on al-Qaeda was not really gaining results now that we helped them overthrow secular regimes (Libya was run by a nut but he was mostly a secular nut who wanted to hand off his country to his western/British educated secular sons).


50 posted on 05/22/2013 7:13:46 AM PDT by IXNK (Isus Xristos Nikas!)
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