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IRS breaks the rules (Take you blood pressure medicine before reading)
The Boston Herald ^ | May 18, 2013 | Staff

Posted on 05/19/2013 12:04:20 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

It eventually comes down to who — who at the IRS was responsible for targeting conservative and Tea Party groups for special scrutiny.

Because, after all, you can’t put a “system” in jail. You can’t put a report in prison. You can’t indict a department for corruption. At the end of the day it’s people who are responsible for using the enormous powers of the Internal Revenue Service to go after other people and groups because of their political beliefs.

U.S. Rep. Kevin Brady (R-Texas) told the tale of one of his constituents who applied for tax-exempt status for her Tea Party group in July 2010. Twenty months later she got her first response from the IRS, a letter with dozens of questions. She answered them all, but she’s still waiting for approval. However, during the intervening three years she was visited by the FBI’s domestic terrorism unit, had four additional FBI inquiries, had both her personal and business taxes audited and been the subject of an OSHA inspection.

Brady then asked ousted IRS head Steven Miller if the IRS was in the habit of sharing information with other federal agencies, which under these circumstances would be illegal.

“I would be shocked, congressman, if that happened,” he said.

Casablanca’s Capt. Renault could not have done better.....

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: dncrico; fascism; internalrevenue; irs; irsrico; obama; stolenelection
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1 posted on 05/19/2013 12:04:20 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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2 posted on 05/19/2013 12:09:02 AM PDT by narses
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That’s “Shocked, shocked!”


3 posted on 05/19/2013 12:15:42 AM PDT by ntnychik
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’d take Major Strasser any day over the IRS.


4 posted on 05/19/2013 12:16:43 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
This is complete oppression , tyranny and rigging an election. OBama’s IRS basically shut down the tea party to rig the election:

U.S. Rep. Kevin Brady (R-Texas) told the tale of one of his constituents who applied for tax-exempt status for her Tea Party group in July 2010. Twenty months later she got her first response from the IRS, a letter with dozens of questions. She answered them all, but she’s still waiting for approval. However, during the intervening three years she was visited by the FBI’s domestic terrorism unit, had four additional FBI inquiries, had both her personal and business taxes audited and been the subject of an OSHA inspection.

5 posted on 05/19/2013 12:20:13 AM PDT by Democrat_media (IRS rigged election for Obama and democrats by shutting down tea party)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yes that guy was sickening.

I wish they could just tell the capitol police to haul him to jail until he’s ready to talk.

You know I’m kind of surprised to see some Dems come down on “our side”. I think it’s because they know that if the regime gets away with this that sooner or later [probably much sooner] the shoe will be on the other foot.

The IRS, EPA, OSHA, CIA [yes, the spooks are pissed] etc will come down HARD on any organization or any individual who the new admin wants to silence. For example, this ahole today who didn’t remember anything and was nonchalant about this terrible moment in American history.

But next time it will be worse - people won’t just be silenced, they’ll be ruined. Homes forclosed, bank accounts frozen, ... and not just of the particular individual either. His family members, friends, associates will be ruined too.

I think the dems don’t want that. I don’t either - but I PROMISE you that if the people responsible for this don’t go to jail, it will happen.


6 posted on 05/19/2013 12:32:06 AM PDT by Principled
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To: Principled
Obama used The IRS, EPA, OSHA, CIA to silence and cripple his political opponents and therefore rigged the election of 2012. But Obama and the media wants to believe Obama didn't know all his gov agencies were intimidating and shutting down tea party groups.
7 posted on 05/19/2013 12:36:10 AM PDT by Democrat_media (IRS rigged election for Obama and democrats by shutting down tea party)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
U.S. Rep. Kevin Brady (R-Texas) told the tale of one of his constituents who applied for tax-exempt status for her Tea Party group in July 2010. Twenty months later she got her first response from the IRS, a letter with dozens of questions. She answered them all, but she’s still waiting for approval. However, during the intervening three years she was visited by the FBI’s domestic terrorism unit, had four additional FBI inquiries, had both her personal and business taxes audited and been the subject of an OSHA inspection.

This single case proves that it was not just a couple of "rogue agents" at the IRS. It was the IRS, the FBU, and OSHA. Who has the power to set all of these agencies against a single person? No single low level individual could get an agency outside their chain of command to target one particular individual.

8 posted on 05/19/2013 12:39:17 AM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Vince Ferrer

Yes and notice 3 years and the IRS still hasn’t approved that tea party group.So that tea party group and others couldn’t get out the vote in the election. So Obama’s IRS rigged and stole the election.

Obama also used the whole government all these gov agencies IRS , FBI , OSHA to intimidate average good Americans


9 posted on 05/19/2013 12:41:47 AM PDT by Democrat_media (IRS rigged election for Obama and democrats by shutting down tea party)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I would love to see the files that the IRS has on FReepers. How many of us are on their target list? Who will be next? There is no more powerful agency on Earth than the IRS and what they can do without the need for a court order and due process.


10 posted on 05/19/2013 2:57:34 AM PDT by ImNotLying (The MSM bears a close resemblance to the world's oldest profession!)
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To: ImNotLying

FOIA, maybe?


11 posted on 05/19/2013 3:13:03 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: Principled
You know I’m kind of surprised to see some Dems come down on “our side”.

Democrats are scared sh!tless that the tax part of their sole principle of "tax and spend" is in jeopardy.

12 posted on 05/19/2013 3:33:51 AM PDT by monocle
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To: monocle

You know I’m kind of surprised to see some Dems come down on “our side”.

The IRS is thier militaristic strong arm in securing the rape of Americans across the board into funding thier commie agenda


13 posted on 05/19/2013 3:38:39 AM PDT by ronnie raygun (Yesterdays conspiracies are todays truths)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

18 USC 1001: it is a felony to lie to a employee of the federal government but it is no crime at all for them to lie to the citizens. So, the government gives itself a pass and holds citizens to a standard of conduct it will not honor itself. We saw this last week in the prideful answers the outgoing IRS Commissioner gave in the Congressional hearing.

At the very moment he gets to say “I don’t know” when asked pointed questions, somewhere in the country his own tax auditors would be fired if they gave a similar pass to a citizen whose tax returns they were auditing.

So, we now have a government where high officials give each other a pass for outrageous behavior, and we have a government that can print or borrow all the money it needs to function. We have a government that is increasingly disconnected from the taxpayers because it makes its own money. This is Leviathan, a government of few limits. It is attempting to secure the citizen in a cage. We must put government back in the chains of the Constitution before it is too late.


14 posted on 05/19/2013 3:46:28 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

When you fill an agency with Obama’s people you get an Obama agency.

I know a kid who works for Government who is afraid to mention his political persuasion at work because he is surrounded by Obama voters.


15 posted on 05/19/2013 3:54:59 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Democrat_media

<< This is complete oppression , tyranny and rigging an election. OBama’s IRS basically shut down the tea party to rig the election: >>

Am i the only one who was wondering where the tea party people were throughout the 2012 election cycle? I kept thinking, “My gosh, it has only been a few years since the 2010 election, so where are they?!” Now i know. This is criminal, and i am outraged.

Remember the scenes in Patrick Swayze’s movie “Ghost” when the demons come out of the ground when the evil people die? Remember the horrified look on the ‘dead’ person’s face when he realizes what is happening? Yeah, well... Enough said. We should probably be praying for these evil people because they evidently do not realize their ultimate fate.


16 posted on 05/19/2013 3:57:45 AM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
In 1913, the 16th Amendment gave the government the power to levy an income tax, and saddled the American people with the most burdensome, intrusive and abuse-prone revenue-generating system imaginable. (It bears noting that the federal income tax is a product of the same Progressive Era of American history that gave us Prohibition.)

Given that it was imposed by constitutional amendment, one cannot argue that the income tax is unconstitutional per se. But certainly, it is at odds with the spirit, if not the letter, of many of our most basic constitutional rights.

Consider that the income tax system has the following attributes:

 Notwithstanding our 5th Amendment rights against self-incrimination, as well as our 9th Amendment right to privacy (see Roe v. Wade), the government requires us to provide a tax return signed under penalty of perjury, in which we are obligated to provide detailed testimony regarding every aspect of our financial activities and relationships, legal or otherwise.

 Notwithstanding our 4th Amendment rights against search and seizure, any American citizen is subject at any time -- even in the complete absence of probable cause – to an intrusive federal audit in which the government has the unmitigated right to demand and search our private papers and financial records.

 Notwithstanding our 5th Amendment rights against seizure of our property without due process, the government can seize and hold our financial assets indefinitely without a trial.

 The complexity of the Tax Code generally requires that Americans hire professional advice, often at significant expense, to help ensure compliance.

 The Tax Code is so complex that its meaning is not always clear even to experts or employees of the federal government, and its enforcement may be subject to arbitrary interpretation by federal employees who may, in fact, disagree with each other.

 The income tax requires citizens to bear the burden of preparing, maintaining, storing and recovering voluminous sets of records over a period of years, where such records otherwise have no useful purpose except to assist the government in enforcing the tax code against the citizen.

 The Tax Code provides our federal legislators with a means of bestowing specifically targeted benefits on favored special interests.

17 posted on 05/19/2013 4:11:06 AM PDT by Maceman (Just say "NO" to tyranny.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
You can’t indict a department for corruption.

To borrow a phrase from the de facto president: "Yes we can!"

The IRS is intrinsically corrupt. Shut it down!

18 posted on 05/19/2013 4:21:41 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Dismantle the IRS and the income tax. Impeach Obama and all his minions. Problem solved.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Was Rep. Brady referring to True the Vote? Major harassment of TTV.

http://watchdog.org/85047/irs-wasnt-only-agency-hassling-true-the-vote/


19 posted on 05/19/2013 4:22:10 AM PDT by Atlantan
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To: Principled

“Yes, that guy was sickening.”

He was more than sickening.

He was like a soviet commissar, transplanted to the
U.S., who was looking upon the conquered people in front of him with amazement, glee and delight.

These people are engaged in criminal activity which they do not consider criminal because it furthers their agenda.

Are they not smirky little punks as they deny their activities in the face of their blatant, outright and obvious activities?

Amazing, absolutely amazing.

IMHO


20 posted on 05/19/2013 4:23:26 AM PDT by ripley
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yet did nothing illegal........


21 posted on 05/19/2013 4:29:17 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (Actually, they lie when it suits them! The crooked MS media must be defeated any way it can be done!)
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To: Democrat_media

btt


22 posted on 05/19/2013 4:32:28 AM PDT by KSCITYBOY
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To: narses

You can’t put them in jail, but you damned sure can stop funding this illegal activity. It is bad enough what is happening to us...but to support it with our tax dollars? If we have problems with the IRS, we can thank the Republicans that continually keep funding this stuff. Don’t blame the Democrats, they are the low informatupion, uninformed takers...not their fault, it’s genetic, they probably had a poor childhood. But the Republicans tell us they know better, and that is why we voted for them. They sure look like Democrats today don’t they?


23 posted on 05/19/2013 4:36:00 AM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag ( EVERY DIME Obama Spends is given to him by the Republicans in the House.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
One can wish that the republicans would go to war...start indicting people, jailing them for perjury, shine a high powered beam on these cockroaches until they give up the truth...

Impeaching Obama is almost second riddle to cleaning house in the various politicized federal agencies to rebuild their credibility and the trust of the american people...

24 posted on 05/19/2013 4:39:21 AM PDT by Popman (Godlessness is always the first step to the concentration camp.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Maybe Congress should start requiring that any correspondence sent out from the IRS must have a contact name on it or the recipient can simply ignore it.


25 posted on 05/19/2013 4:41:20 AM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The question remains who is responsible. Who gave the order?

Look no further...


26 posted on 05/19/2013 5:08:37 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Vince Ferrer

Thank you for posting this. This is a huge, important point. It should be repeated everywhere and often.


27 posted on 05/19/2013 5:18:13 AM PDT by generally (Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: Timber Rattler
Valarie Jarett is one extremely dangerous Persian. She makes Ahmanutjob look like a boy scout.

Jarett said right after the election that they were going to "punish their enemies."

That's why Jarett has a USSS detail as big as the president's.

5.56mm

28 posted on 05/19/2013 5:18:13 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: Vince Ferrer

You are correct.

The penalty for election fraud should be death

The election rigging is the greatest crime there is against the Republic.


29 posted on 05/19/2013 5:22:12 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....History is a process, not an event)
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To: theBuckwheat

18 USC 1001: it is a felony to lie to a employee of the federal government but it is no crime at all for them to lie to the citizens.

That needs to change.


30 posted on 05/19/2013 5:23:47 AM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I would like to know if FOO (friends of obama), republican and democrate, who were given a pass on taxes to support his agenda.

Everything is possible now.


31 posted on 05/19/2013 5:31:07 AM PDT by RetSignman ("...a Republic if you can keep it")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
This “Who?” isn't new. A bunch of murderous, razor wielding Muslims got on a few planes and the rest is history and no one at any point said “WHO let them on the plane?”.
32 posted on 05/19/2013 5:37:51 AM PDT by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: freedomfiter2
18 USC 1001: it is a felony to lie to a employee of the federal government but it is no crime at all for them to lie to the citizens.

Well....since our tax dollars pay their salaries.... they are really OUR employees. So that law is illogical and yes, needs to be changed. And since the Obama leftists have deemed that the IRS should run roughshod over EVERY American now via ObamaCare enforcement.... we must now throw out ObamaCare along with our current mind-boggling complex tax code and start fresh and new with an across the board flat tax. It's now or never.... literally. But with a wussie (I'm being nice here) like Boehner in control of our ONLY means of power....I fear that nothing will happen to correct these heinous problems we're facing.

33 posted on 05/19/2013 5:42:59 AM PDT by XenaLee (The only good commie is a dead commie.)
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To: Nita Nupress
Am i the only one who was wondering where the tea party people were throughout the 2012 election cycle? I kept thinking, “My gosh, it has only been a few years since the 2010 election, so where are they?!” Now i know.

No, you aren't the only one. I recall seeing smirking stories in the liberal media, gloating about how the Tea Party was nowhere near the factor that it had been in the 2010 elections. Now we know why.

34 posted on 05/19/2013 5:46:11 AM PDT by Steve1789 (I miss having a president who loves this country.)
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To: Popman
One can wish that the republicans would go to war...start indicting people, jailing them for perjury

Call Attorney General Holder with this idea, then get back with us on how he reacted. Republicans can't indict people under Federal law, only the AG can do that.

When many on this website decided to not vote for Romney because he wasn't conservative enough, or because he had once been pro-choice, or because he was Mormon, or whatever, we get another 4 years of Holder. Good work by those purists. I can hardly wait for the next Supreme Court opening.

35 posted on 05/19/2013 5:47:36 AM PDT by BruceS
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What do you call an administration that uses the IRS, EPA, OSHA, CIA to silence and cripple their political opponents?

Hope and change.

Liberals/progressives never think the tactics they invent and use will ever be used against them.

Because they do it for the children...


36 posted on 05/19/2013 5:52:42 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: theBuckwheat

The only people more self-serving than today’s politicians, are the people who voted for them.


37 posted on 05/19/2013 6:02:20 AM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: Principled
You know I’m kind of surprised to see some Dems come down on “our side”.

You should be very, very wary when some or any of your enemies come to your "side". The residents of Troy learned this lesson the hard way.

38 posted on 05/19/2013 6:07:09 AM PDT by sport
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To: Venturer

I was in the same boat and a Christian but they figured it out. According to them, conservatives can’t work for Social Services


39 posted on 05/19/2013 6:09:19 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: ImNotLying

Don’t lose sight of all the FBI files that Craig Stevenson (?) stole and gave to Hillary & Bill.

I doubt they went back in total or without being copied.

IF anyone has the attitude of having files on people, it is the Clintons.


40 posted on 05/19/2013 6:23:57 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: ridesthemiles
Stevenson

Livingston. And nobody to this day knows who hired him.

5.56mm

41 posted on 05/19/2013 6:24:55 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: ridesthemiles

Maybe Craig Livingston?


42 posted on 05/19/2013 6:25:50 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Maceman
In 1913, the 16th Amendment gave the government the power to levy an income tax, and saddled the American people with the most burdensome, intrusive and abuse-prone revenue-generating system imaginable.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

My suggestion:

1) Totally abolish the IRS

2) The federal government sends each governor a tax bill. The size of the bill is based upon the last census.

3) Each state figures out a way to pay the federal tax bill

Result: Given 57 states ( Opps! FIFTY states) the best, least intrusive, and least economically damaging way to collect this federal tax will emerge.

43 posted on 05/19/2013 6:31:04 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: Democrat_media

Think about it. That night, Rove a MD Barone. Watching the votes come in. 5 states with unbelievable returns. But we were just “conspiracy theorist” whack jobs. Now this. Do you think folks who will ADMIT to this stuff blithely would have hesitated to steal an election?


44 posted on 05/19/2013 6:31:55 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: RetSignman
I would like to know if FOO (friends of obama), republican and democrate, who were given a pass on taxes to support his agenda. Everything is possible now.

EXCELLENT question! ( Yeah! I am shouting!)

45 posted on 05/19/2013 6:32:33 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: Nita Nupress

I have been saying right along these folks ought a pause and reflect cuz often as not their behavior ends on a meat hook.


46 posted on 05/19/2013 6:34:36 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: BruceS
Corrected

One can wish that the republicans would go to war...start indicting Subpoena people, jailing them for perjury

47 posted on 05/19/2013 6:40:07 AM PDT by Popman (Godlessness is always the first step to the concentration camp.)
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To: Principled
But next time it will be worse - people won’t just be silenced, they’ll be ruined. Homes forclosed, bank accounts frozen, ... and not just of the particular individual either. His family members, friends, associates will be ruined too.

Then come the "disappearances".

48 posted on 05/19/2013 6:41:19 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: Principled
Oh this pesky HTML! That should be :

next time it will be worse - people won’t just be silenced, they’ll be ruined. Homes forclosed, bank accounts frozen, ... and not just of the particular individual either. His family members, friends, associates will be ruined too.

Then come the "disappearances".

49 posted on 05/19/2013 6:43:13 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: Vince Ferrer
U.S. Rep. Kevin Brady (R-Texas) told the tale of one of his constituents who applied for tax-exempt status for her Tea Party group in July 2010. Twenty months later she got her first response from the IRS, a letter with dozens of questions. She answered them all, but she’s still waiting for approval. However, during the intervening three years she was visited by the FBI’s domestic terrorism unit, had four additional FBI inquiries, had both her personal and business taxes audited and been the subject of an OSHA inspection.

Are the names, addresses, and phone numbers of these individuals who visited this woman known? What about their managers and higher level supervisors?

50 posted on 05/19/2013 6:57:23 AM PDT by wintertime
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