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Japanese mayor: Wartime sex slaves were necessary [OK, FR Ladies Get Angry]
Arizona Daily Star ^

Posted on 05/14/2013 6:16:40 AM PDT by SandRat

An outspoken nationalist mayor said the Japanese military's forced prostitution of Asian women before and during World War II was necessary to "maintain discipline" in the ranks and provide rest for soldiers who risked their lives in battle.

The comments made Monday are already raising ire in neighboring countries that bore the brunt of Japan's wartime aggression and have long complained that Japan has failed to fully atone for wartime atrocities.

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TOPICS: Extended News; Japan; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: china; indonesia; japan; korea; philippines; prostitutes; rape; raperape; sexualassault; slaves; warcrimes; wwii
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1 posted on 05/14/2013 6:16:40 AM PDT by SandRat
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To: SandRat

coming from a country where kiddie porn possession is still legal

/shock


2 posted on 05/14/2013 6:17:29 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: SandRat

Just ask the survivors of the Bataan Death March about Japanese morals. They have none.


3 posted on 05/14/2013 6:19:58 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: GeronL
Still, this guy, upon showing the world his a$$ will be removed in due course. Maybe he'll jump off a tall building as well.

This hurts the tourist trade a lot.......... a vital resource in these tough times.

4 posted on 05/14/2013 6:20:11 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: SandRat

Never wanted to visit, despise their perversion.


5 posted on 05/14/2013 6:20:28 AM PDT by seeker41 (Take back your country before it is too late-STOP islamic expansion in the USA)
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To: SandRat

They can be strange people.

Hard to believe anyone in a prominent position could say something so stupid and outrageous.


6 posted on 05/14/2013 6:23:10 AM PDT by yarddog (Truth, Justice, and what was once the American Way.)
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To: SandRat

November 1995 — The U.S. Navy admiral who announced plans to retire after touching off outrage with his off-the-cuff remark about the rape of a Japanese schoolgirl spoke out again Sunday, but this time Richard Macke was apologetic.

“My comments were insensitive and offensive,” he said.

In his original comments to reporters last Friday, Macke, U.S. commander of Pacific forces, had suggested the three U.S. servicemen accused of the crime and now on trial in Okinawa should have paid for a prostitute instead of raping the 12-year-old girl.

After saying military officials had found nothing in the background of the three accused servicemen to suggest they would commit such a crime, he said, “I think it was absolutely stupid. I have said several times: for the price they paid to rent the car (used in the crime), they could have had a girl”.

After the angry reaction he issued an apologetic statement, but the outrage did not die and the four-star admiral with 35 years in the military announced his retirement the same day.


7 posted on 05/14/2013 6:24:26 AM PDT by areukiddingme1 (areukiddingme1 is a synonym for a Retired U.S. Navy Chief Petty Officer and tired of liberal BS.))
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To: SandRat

I’m sure this will be of interest to the Chinese, who now have a severe shortage of women, and look upon the Japanese as their historical antagonist.


8 posted on 05/14/2013 6:24:40 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: yarddog

It is what they believe.

They also don’t think they lost WWII, only that we cheated.


9 posted on 05/14/2013 6:25:25 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: SandRat

These would be the same ‘disciplined’ soldiers who murdered prisoners by the boatload, and raped and slaughtered civilians on their their way across China and southeast Asia?


10 posted on 05/14/2013 6:26:31 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: SandRat

Is the mayor Muslim?


11 posted on 05/14/2013 6:26:35 AM PDT by trubolotta
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To: SandRat
Gee,none of the allied armies (US,Britain,Canada,Australia,India,etc) were able to keep discipline without it.Was there something particularly barbaric about Japanese men at the time that set them apart from our men? And as for “discipline”...one can only imagine what an *un* disciplined Japanese army might have been like during the 30’s and 40’s.
12 posted on 05/14/2013 6:27:58 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Leno Was Right,They *Are* Undocumented Democrats!)
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To: SandRat
Ooops...should read “needed it to keep discipline”.
13 posted on 05/14/2013 6:29:36 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Leno Was Right,They *Are* Undocumented Democrats!)
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To: SandRat

and our troops face UCMJ punishment for frequenting prostitutes!!!


14 posted on 05/14/2013 6:30:15 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: SandRat
If it was so necessary, why didn't they draft their own women for this important national "service"?
15 posted on 05/14/2013 6:32:13 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Choose one: the yellow and black flag of the Tea Party or the white flag of the Republican Party.)
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To: SampleMan
Don't forget the Rape of Nanking...
16 posted on 05/14/2013 6:33:24 AM PDT by Dubh_Ghlase (Therefore, send not to know For whom the bell tolls, It tolls for thee.)
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To: Dubh_Ghlase
Don't forget the Rape of Nanking...

Or Unit 731.

17 posted on 05/14/2013 6:34:20 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: areukiddingme1

Good point.Today the Japanese seem to have a far,*far* different attitude when a single one of their women is violated.Of course they’re correct to be disgusted in such a situation but with our military it happens once in a great while whereas during WWII the Japanese did it routinely.


18 posted on 05/14/2013 6:34:58 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Leno Was Right,They *Are* Undocumented Democrats!)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Unless they do the violating.


20 posted on 05/14/2013 6:37:58 AM PDT by AppyPappy (You never see a massacre at a gun show.)
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To: redgolum
They also don’t think they lost WWII, only that we cheated.

During my college years I was visiting a friend at home, his father, then a Doctor and a former WWII Bomber Pilot flying out of Africa (think Catch 22) and later England remarked:

"Had someone told me 30 years ago, that some day I would be sitting in my living room watching a Japanese TV and have two German cars in my garage, I would have said they were crazy. Sometimes I wonder if we really won that damn war."

21 posted on 05/14/2013 6:38:43 AM PDT by Michael.SF. (Obama lied, Stevens died, now Obam covers up the lies.)
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To: SandRat

Tyrannical Government. How many here think that Zero wouldn’t be just as bad if he had total power? Spoils of war to the victors. Only one of many atrocities committed by the Japanese during WWII.


22 posted on 05/14/2013 6:41:40 AM PDT by Quickgun (I got here kicking,screaming and covered in someone else's blood. I can go out that way if I have to)
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To: SandRat
Was taken to task on this site a short time ago for stating — from experience — that the Japanese, even today, are the most racist society on the planet. And that they never have formally apologized for their 20th Century atrocities. It bubbles just below the surface; this mayor simply allowed the facade to slip momentarily.
23 posted on 05/14/2013 6:42:42 AM PDT by twister881
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To: dfwgator

Yup, and I’ve heard the saying that “Japan used to invade China every time there was nothing good on TV..”


24 posted on 05/14/2013 6:45:34 AM PDT by Quickgun (I got here kicking,screaming and covered in someone else's blood. I can go out that way if I have to)
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To: SandRat

What no comfort boys? How discriminatory! /s


25 posted on 05/14/2013 6:50:00 AM PDT by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the world comes to see America)
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To: muawiyah

This cannot end well.


26 posted on 05/14/2013 6:51:51 AM PDT by edcoil (If the man was accused of leadership, there would not be enough evidence to convict him.)
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To: SandRat

Reminds me of the 1990 Texas governor's race between Clayton (Claytie) Williams and Ann (Ma) Richards.

Claytie was a proud Texas Aggie who made a ton of money in the oil patch and then donated large sums to his alma mater (the alumni center there is named in his honor). Claytie then decided to run for governor and in the process made statements somewhat similar to those from the Japanese mayor.

Claytie told a crude joke about rape, "If it's inevitable, just relax and enjoy it." Then he chuckled about visiting the famous Chicken Ranch brothel in LaGrange and the "Boy's Town" red light district in Nuevo Laredo, Mexico -- explaining that "boys will be boys" and "sometimes, it's necessary for Aggies to get serviced."

Texans were not amused. Claytie went into the race with a two to one lead in the polls and still managed to lose to the old liberal cow by 11 points -- in a heavily conservative Republican state -- despite having outspent his opponent more than two to one (with much of the funds coming out of Claytie's own pocket).

When a crowd of supporters urged Claytie to try again in four years, he told them, "I may be an Aggie, but I am not crazy."

Claytie remains a politically radioactive to this day.

27 posted on 05/14/2013 6:54:31 AM PDT by Zakeet (If idiots could fly, Washington would be an airport)
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To: SandRat
This moron is actually the Mayor of Osaka???

"up to 200,000 women, mainly from the Korean Peninsula and China, were forced to provide sex for Japanese soldiers in military brothels."

A former US serviceman who helped liberate the Philippines told me that the Japanese had prostitutes to service their soldiers. He bore witness. He didn't know that the women had been pressed into this "service" from conquered lands.

"China's Foreign Ministry criticized the mayor's comments and saw them as further evidence of a rightward drift in Japanese politics under Prime Minister Shinzo Abe."

"Rightward drift"??? No. A DOWNWARD drift.

The people of Osaka had better dump this Hashimoto creep.

28 posted on 05/14/2013 7:12:05 AM PDT by Savage Beast (The forces of decadence are the forces of evil.)
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To: txrefugee
the Bataan Death March about Japanese morals. They have none.

I would not make that conclusion. Do you employ the same logic regarding the democratically elected Nazi party and the German people ?

Do you employ the same logic regarding Stalinist Russia and the russian people ?

Do you employ the same logic regarding the slave owning southerners and the southern US people ?

29 posted on 05/14/2013 7:21:11 AM PDT by staytrue
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To: txrefugee
Just ask the survivors of the Bataan Death March about Japanese morals. They have none.

The Nazis used women in concentration camps without paying them. They killed far more people under their care than the Japanese, who targeted only the populations that rebelled against them. You could say wartime Japanese rules of engagement were medieval, because those were medieval rules of engagement. The Nazis, however, engaged in futuristic rules of engagement, rules under which people who hadn't even shown signs of wanting to rebel were killed along with everyone they were related to. The Nazi impulse to clean the world of humans they considered vermin was unappeasable - Jews were able to submit to Christians, Muslims and what have you by converting. The Nazis would only be satisfied when the Jews were converted into heaps of ash. The Nazis can say they were sorry, but the "sorry" doesn't really cut it when you've systematically wiped out tens of millions out people way outside of even medieval rules of conflict.

30 posted on 05/14/2013 7:35:01 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: 0.E.O

Japanese soldiers in China were taught the 3 alls

Kill All

Burn All

Loot All


31 posted on 05/14/2013 7:40:16 AM PDT by njslim (St)
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To: SandRat

Here’s the new DADT talking points.


32 posted on 05/14/2013 7:41:24 AM PDT by bgill (The problem is...no one is watching the Watch List!)
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To: SandRat
Wartime sex slaves were necessary

So were Hiroshima and Nagasaki. So solly.

33 posted on 05/14/2013 7:46:07 AM PDT by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Rempublicam)
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To: njslim
Japanese soldiers in China were taught the 3 alls Kill All Burn All Loot All

These were medieval rules of war, applied against rebellious areas. The Nazis never explicitly mentioned these rules, but did carry them out. In addition, they killed tens of millions of civilians who were just minding their own business, simply because they were Jews, Gypsies, Slavs, etc. There's a reason why the Germans are far more vilified than the Japanese - subject populations could appease the Japanese Imperial Army by not making waves, whereas the only way a Jew or other member of a German-designated vermin class could appease the Germans was by committing suicide.

34 posted on 05/14/2013 7:55:56 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: SandRat
I'm as terrified of, and hostile to, Red China and North Korea as anyone on this forum, but anyone who isn't bothered by this is blind.

Red China and North Korea are playing with fire. If they rouse the monster they may not be the only ones to be sorry.

35 posted on 05/14/2013 7:57:28 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: staytrue
he Bataan Death March about Japanese morals. They have none.

I would not make that conclusion. Do you employ the same logic regarding the democratically elected Nazi party and the German people ?

Do you employ the same logic regarding Stalinist Russia and the russian people ?

The Germans were forced to face their past and have responded accordingly. National Socialism, the swastika, and the Nazi salute are against the law today in Germany, as is Holocaust denial. The Germans were white anti-Communists so there was no reason to hold back on them.

The Communists and the Japanese, however, have been protected by political correctness (the former because they're commies, the latter because they're not white) and have never faced up. Several of the former Soviet bloc countries are governed by their former Communist parties. In Japan there is no law against historical revisionism or the old militarist ideology.

Do you employ the same logic regarding the slave owning southerners and the southern US people ?

Most people do. Though it never ceases to amaze me how only white Southerners count as "Southerners." If Southerners owned slaves, then the slaves they owned were just as Southern. Somehow that point never comes across (just as the idea of Blacks as fundamentalist chrstians never comes across).

36 posted on 05/14/2013 8:09:03 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: Savage Beast
"China's Foreign Ministry criticized the mayor's comments and saw them as further evidence of a rightward drift in Japanese politics under Prime Minister Shinzo Abe."

And why isn't China's nationalistic sabre-rattling evidence of a "rightward drift" in China?

Oh, that's right. They're the "People's" Republic of China, and their governed by the Chinese "Communist" Party. So they can never be accused of being right wingers. They could call themselves the "master race" and try to conquer the world and as long as they're "Communist" they can do no wrong.

The people of Osaka had better dump this Hashimoto creep.

Hey! Hashimoto was good!


37 posted on 05/14/2013 8:15:48 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: SandRat

Here we go again.

In a country of millions that is lead by a few thousand, with a very small group at the top making the decisions, it’s wrong to assume that the entire population would want to go to war were it not for the effects of brainwashing of and lies told to the general public. This deceit can and does go on for centuries.

Very, very sad news for some. WWII was a cooked up scheme that you will NOT read the details of in any history book used in schools. The details of which high-powered finance people backed which leaders, what lies the they told them, etc., will tell the truth to the person who really wants to know it.

Am I revulsed by various actions by troops in wWII ? Yes.

But I know that there was a short chain of advisors leading from the political leaderships to powerful financial interests who were AND REMAIN the warped vermin themselves who think nothing of starting such heinous wars.


38 posted on 05/14/2013 8:17:59 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: Zhang Fei
The Nazis used women in concentration camps without paying them. They killed far more people under their care than the Japanese, who targeted only the populations that rebelled against them. You could say wartime Japanese rules of engagement were medieval, because those were medieval rules of engagement. The Nazis, however, engaged in futuristic rules of engagement, rules under which people who hadn't even shown signs of wanting to rebel were killed along with everyone they were related to. The Nazi impulse to clean the world of humans they considered vermin was unappeasable - Jews were able to submit to Christians, Muslims and what have you by converting. The Nazis would only be satisfied when the Jews were converted into heaps of ash.

These are good points. The Nazis sometimes get a pass because they treated their Western prisoners better than the Japanese did their prisoners (though the Eastern Front was a different story). However, I don't think every single victim of Japanese atrocities was either an enemy soldier or an active rebel. The Koreans were neither, and I doubt every single person in Nanking was "rebelling."

The Nazis can say they were sorry, but the "sorry" doesn't really cut it when you've systematically wiped out tens of millions out people way outside of even medieval rules of conflict.

Nazis are never sorry. The people of modern Germany have behaved better. However, it is certainly true that all those everyday "non-Nazi" Germans who claimed they had no idea what was going on were lying.

39 posted on 05/14/2013 8:22:45 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: Zhang Fei
There's a reason why the Germans are far more vilified than the Japanese

Political correctness is another reason.

subject populations could appease the Japanese Imperial Army by not making waves

I'm not so sure about that. Japan's ideology (to its credit) was not anti-Semitic (though there were anti-Semites in the Japanese government under the influence of Nazi propaganda), but I'm pretty sure the Japanese regarded the Chinese as "sub-human."

40 posted on 05/14/2013 8:26:51 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: PieterCasparzen

So . . . these e—vil “financial interests” who “caused” World War II . . . they wouldn’t happen to be “Jewish bankers,” would they?


41 posted on 05/14/2013 8:30:12 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
The Communists and the Japanese, however, have been protected by political correctness (the former because they're commies, the latter because they're not white) and have never faced up. Several of the former Soviet bloc countries are governed by their former Communist parties. In Japan there is no law against historical revisionism or the old militarist ideology.

In the case of the Japanese, I don't think it's got anything to do with political correctness. The Japanese felt they weren't doing anything new. They were using medieval rules of war because that's the only way you can control huge swathes of territory in a short period of time without losing too many men. China is a shining example of how medieval rules of engagement prevailed over the centuries. Since its start as a small kingdom on the banks of the Yellow River, the Chinese (and every other) empire has expanded the usual way, by punishing those who resist and rewarding those who comply, in ways that are considered verboten, mainly by the established powers.

The reason we bowed to Japanese sensitivities had nothing to do with political correctness and everything to with the possibility that they might turn communist. We portrayed the Japanese as subhuman via wartime propaganda, and interned hundreds of thousands of dual-national Japanese at home, so political correctness was the least of our problems. Meanwhile, flesh-and-blood German American saboteurs were arrested, but only a handful of German Americans were interned.

Ultimately, the Japanese support these politicians because the Japanese see China as the empire that succeeded because it started a little earlier, and European colonies in the Western hemisphere as pretty substantial examples of what can be achieved with medieval rules of conduct. Ultimately, they're not wholly convinced by what they consider foreign hypocrisy about empire-building, which they think runs along the lines of "I've got mine, so screw you".

42 posted on 05/14/2013 8:35:37 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
I'm not so sure about that. Japan's ideology (to its credit) was not anti-Semitic (though there were anti-Semites in the Japanese government under the influence of Nazi propaganda), but I'm pretty sure the Japanese regarded the Chinese as "sub-human."

Ethnic prejudice will always be with us. The mayor whose controversial statements are the subject of this article comes from Japan's subhuman class, the burakumin. FDR, along with the majority of Americans of his time, undoubtedly saw the Japanese he interned as subhuman. The difference with the Germans is that they attempted to kill every last one of the people they considered subhuman, along with everyone they thought might have just a smidgen of subhuman blood. The Japanese never tried to exterminate the Chinese. They targeted hostile regions with chem and bio-weapons, but these were populations they would have attacked with conventional weapons, anyway.

43 posted on 05/14/2013 8:51:41 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

It’s a financial group, not an ethnic or religious group.

You know there are Dutch people who actually will abuse other Dutch people, Americans who will abuse other Americans, etc. Money can be the tie that binds people together into all sorts of wickedness, even to the point of them hurting not only those of their own ethnic or religious persuasion, but even family, neighbors and friends.

The works of Antony Sutton are a good place to get some information on Anglo-American industrial and financial records of involvement will Nazi Germany both before and during the war.

When researching for the pieces of conspiracy theories that are not disinformation - or entertainment - but are actual historical fact, it’s vital to focus only on what is documented facts. There is definitely a ton of completely false information out there which is used to obfuscate the truth of various facts. Once people see a few false statements in a given tract, they tend to throw out the baby with the bathwater and extrapolate that every statement in the tract is false, including those few that were true, damning evidence. The next time they see another tract with the same true damning evidence - they then dismiss that whole tract as well, because they think the “story” they first read was a falsehood - it’s very difficult to switch to believing something is true if you’ve believed it’s false - and preposterous - for a great deal of time.

That being said, those darn facts do have a way of upsetting our view of history !

I know I’ve found some just a very few simple facts that really turned many ideas that I held close to my heart on their head. I read about WWII battles as a very young boy and was very passionate about that phase of American history. I can’t help but feel grateful devotion to Americans who are combat veterans. I guess that’s why some of these simple facts bother me so much. Of course, feeling lied to is ok for a minute, but then I figure it’s time to get to the truth, understand it piece by piece and then put these pieces out there for public consumption. If something I find is proven false, I admit it, immediately ! Why pretend that a lie is true ? It only continues to hurt instead of help. I think Mr. Sutton’s work does a good job of simply stating facts that he discovered in his research - and there quite a few assertions of his that I don’t feel I can take as 100% reliable simply because I have not verified his citations. The documents he cites that are easily verifiable, of course, I tend to grant that those are verifiable as I try to come to conclusions of my own.


44 posted on 05/14/2013 9:22:19 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Just to scrape the tip of the disinformation iceberg...

do you have a solid knowledge of who FDR was and what he was all about ? That is, his business relationships over his whole career, not just his Presidential career, as well as his family background.

The perception of FDR that has been fed to Americans is a fantasy whitewash.


45 posted on 05/14/2013 9:27:03 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: Zhang Fei
FDR, along with the majority of Americans of his time, undoubtedly saw the Japanese he interned as subhuman.

FDR didn't like the Japanese, that's true. Nor did he like the Germans. He was a Roosevelt, and Theodore Roosevelt didn't like the Japanese or the Germans either (Teddy was screaming against "the Hun" practically the moment World War I began).

Both Roosevelts were interventionists with regard to both the economy and foreign policy, yet because he was a Republican Teddy is considered a "jingo" and a super-patriot, while FDR is considered a traitor and an "internationalist."

You make a good point about Japan merely doing what the West had done for generations. However, most of those Western nations eventually came to abjure their former behavior. Japan's behavior during World War II--not its going to war, but its behavior during the war--is unjustifiable. However, I recognize the fact that during this "ethical evolution" some countries were frozen out of the colonial adventure while the nations that came to be "enlightened" nevertheless kept all the colonies they had won by similar means. I recognize the hypocrisy, but this doesn't justify the Rape of Nanking or the Bataan Death March.

I hope you understand that I am not anti-Japanese (there was a time when I advocated rearming Japan myself). I also support them against China (a nation entering on the same rapacious path but which will never be called on it due to its nominal "Communist" status making it immune to liberal judgment). I just recognize that there are always unforeseen consequences. A reawakened Japanese militarism combined with historical revisionism is not a consequence anyone wants.

46 posted on 05/14/2013 3:26:40 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: PieterCasparzen
I have no use for Franklin Delano Roosevelt, although I do observe that he wasn't in any sense a cultural radical. In fact, the America of FDR was more conservative than the America of Ronald Reagan.

Antony Sutton was a great researcher. I have one of his books. However, Antony Sutton didn't believe in standard conspiracy theories and actually criticized them.

From 1977 to 1981 I was a member of the John Birch Society. I started out as gung-ho as you can imagine but I came to see some very ugly things about them. My experience has turned me off on conspiracy theories--especially those theories that blame "communism" on "banksters" and which advocate nationalization of the financial sector. I hope you will understand, even if you don't share, my concerns. I appreciate that you are not an anti-Semite.

47 posted on 05/14/2013 3:32:11 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: Zhang Fei
... the Japanese, who targeted only the populations that rebelled against them.

Not really true. Sure, invading armies kill those who resist, but 1) resisting is different from rebelling, and 2) a lot of those "populations" included women and children.

To say, the Japanese weren't as bad as the Nazis in WWII isn't really saying much. Just about anybody was better than the Nazis. What does that have to do with Japanese conduct in the war? It's not like they were fighting Nazis.

The Nazis can say they were sorry, but the "sorry" doesn't really cut it when you've systematically wiped out tens of millions out people way outside of even medieval rules of conflict.

That's a pretty off-the-wall comment as well. Where were the Nazis who said "sorry" and who here made reference to them? Maybe you've got personal reasons for going where you went, but it doesn't change the Japanese record in the war.

48 posted on 05/14/2013 3:51:03 PM PDT by x
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Japanese troops were issued male enhancement devices, think suction, because some of the troops didn’t “measure” up.


49 posted on 05/14/2013 3:54:01 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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However, Antony Sutton didn't believe in standard conspiracy theories and actually criticized them.

Of course, one must separate truth from falsehood, as well as admit to oneself when something is uncertain. If I keep getting flat tires, it may be the neighbor's kids, or it may be due to the fact that my tires are baloney skins. Yes, one must simply filter out evidence that is not solid; if not sure, then "set aside" for a second look later, but never simply "assume" what one reads is true.

...John Birch Society. I started out as gung-ho as you can imagine but I came to see some very ugly things about them.

I read some of their stuff, but I've never belonged to any "organization" other than churches, Little League, Boy Scouts, etc. I have seen really bad things done by people in those groups, but they did not turn me off on the Bible, baseball, the outdoors, etc. I read the Birch stuff, got what I could out of it, read other stuff and compared and contrasted. I was able to make use of only pieces and parts.

My experience has turned me off on conspiracy theories

But hopefully not on the truth. The word conspiracy is now interpreted so negatively, it's come to be synonomous with the word lie. But of course, there is such a thing as conspiracy, it is used to desribe certain crimes, i.e., when two or more people conspire to commit a crime. A conspiracy is usually difficult to prove because the actions of more than one person, over time, have to be considered all together in order to understand the planning and execution of the crime; no one person by themselves took on all the planning and execution, the conspirators shared the criminal tasks involved. Of course, criminal conspiracies are sometimes investigated and brought all the way through to conviction or plea deal.

especially those theories that blame "communism" on "banksters"

I thought the idea was nuts, but I can't argue with history. It's difficult to square up Wall Street / Federal Reserve guys going to Russia on a "Red Cross" mission, I can't square the Ford plant built in Russia, etc. Once you get to a whole laundry list of the same pattern of activity, and the same names keep turning up - as well as the same organizations - at some point to deny the cooperative effort is to put one's head in the sand ("I just want the Wall Street in my mind to go back being the one I grew up hearing about"). I can't tell you how cool it was the first day I went to work on Wall Street as a programmer. As an entrepreneurial type from practically birth, I was extremely pleased to be there; I liked everything about it. It makes absolutely no sense at all to me from a business perspective, then, when I find out that there could be any connection whatsoever with anything left-leaning on Wall Street. I was really "shocked", and not like Claud Rains was. But then again it's difficult for me to see business from the perspective of a monopolist, not having a monopoly myself (other than the game, and I always wanted to be the hat).

I hope you will understand, even if you don't share, my concerns. I appreciate that you are not an anti-Semite.

If your concerns are persecution, the tables have turned on the remnant of Christians that still hold to the doctrinal standards of the "Pilgrims", who are seen as anathema by the pagan secular humanists who now control the America that they significantly influenced for perhaps only three generations. Such Christians hold that the Old Testament moral law - as written - was never abrogated and applies to all people. The Reformation came about from people actually "thinking" about what they were saying, believing and doing, seeking the truth, and conflicts ensued. America has rejected the Old Testament moral law, and its government now views the religion of its founders as its enemy; it rejoices in its filthy sin and increasingly persecutes all who place Biblical law over civil law, in the manner of ancient Rome. America's leaders are bringing judgement upon it.

Though we would perhaps disagree on the application of "ceremonial" law, true believing Christians are exhorted in the Bible to get along with everyone else, to the extent it is up to them (of course, staying obedient to Scripture). While we see no exceptions to the moral law, persecution of anyone, therefore, is sinful without a doubt. Christians went through hundreds of years of conflict over, among other things, doctrine relating to true conversion (for instance the "U" and "I" in Jean Calvin's TULIP), and the fact that man does not, and can not, convert others or even himself. I actually found that an ancestor was born "after" the escape as opposed to "before", i.e., if the escape was not successful, the ancestor might not have been born. Not a day goes by that these things do not spring to mind, and I find myself praying about the hard-learned lessons regarding the necessity to live according to Scripture. Of course, there are always the blessings of perseverance and faith of which we should remind each other and offer encouragement.
50 posted on 05/14/2013 5:46:47 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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