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Dad who died during arrest 'begged for his life'; witness videos seized
www.bakersfieldcalifornian.com ^ | Thursday, May 09 2013 07:07 PM | BY LAURA LIERA AND JASON KOTOWSKI

Posted on 05/11/2013 9:03:23 AM PDT by redreno

Blood stains are still visible on the sidewalk at the corner of Flower Street and Palm Drive, where a Bakersfield man struggled with as many as nine officers and later died this week.

David Sal Silva, 33 and the father of four young children, died early Wednesday morning after deputies say he fought with them and CHP officers who'd responded to a report of a possibly intoxicated man outside Kern Medical Center.

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To: Rusty0604

I don’t either but the first batch of them that gets wasted by a trained individual and the jack booted cowards will back down.


41 posted on 05/11/2013 10:14:51 AM PDT by GotGlock?
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To: txnativegop

Yea, maybe the police should have to watch Andy Griffin as part of their training. Even Barney Fife didn’t kill the town drunk.


42 posted on 05/11/2013 10:17:24 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Rusty0604

The country has changed and not in a good way. It is truly sad to witness.


43 posted on 05/11/2013 10:21:27 AM PDT by txnativegop (Fed up with zealots)
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To: eddie willers
Do you suppose attitudes have changed over the past few years because law-abiding conservatives are finding that in their encounters with police, the things we'd heard about them from those who aren't law-abiding are starting to ring true?

My encounters with them have been when reporting a hit-and-run on a motorcyclist I witnessed while I was walking to vote, reporting another hit-and-run on my own parked car and while riding my bike home from a fast food restaurant. Each time there was nothing they could do about the crimes, but for some reason I was the one being questioned like I was the perp. Even when stopped on my bicycle they were demanding my social security number "to make sure you don't have any warrants" and making sure I "had no weapons for our safety". Hey, got nothing to hide, why worry, right?

Police don't prevent crime and it doesn't seem like they care to solve them either. Small towns might be different where people know each other and they are still Peace Officers, but in any big city in America, I'll steer clear, thanks. Well, they did at least notify me when my two stolen cars were found, I guess I can give them credit for that.

But it was made crystal clear when those two young cops were questioning me about my bike that they were fishing for anything they could find to charge me with. See, I was just a criminal that had yet to be discovered.

44 posted on 05/11/2013 10:23:16 AM PDT by Squeako (The radicals are the wolves. The moderates are the wolves in sheep's clothing.)
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To: redreno
An autopsy was slated for Thursday, but no results have been released.

Let me guess...suicide? Sudden aneurysm? "Inconclusive"?

When I was a kid, I was told I could trust the police and I did. Now, I am more than wary of them. Their expressions, even standing directing traffic or at a work site, emanate hostility. The "us vs. them" attitude is so apparent. And then there are the stories gathered here, which are too many to ignore.
45 posted on 05/11/2013 10:24:57 AM PDT by LostInBayport (When there are more people riding in the cart than there are pulling it, the cart stops moving...)
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To: Venturer

” Sorry folks—pack syndrome in full action here./”

For sure.


46 posted on 05/11/2013 10:26:27 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: txnativegop
What has gone wrong with this country? I was not raised or taught to treat people in that fashion.

I usually trace it to Roe vs Wade. But, it might go further back than that.

Tomorrow, we are going to be treated to countless stories of "heroic" mothers making the "sacrifice" of spending Mother's Day @ war while their infant children grow up motherless. And we accept this.

So, I think we're seeing the fruits of 100 years of the state's war on the family and faith.

47 posted on 05/11/2013 10:31:20 AM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (I remember when a President having an "enemies list" was a scandal. Now, they have a kill list.)
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To: Forgotten Amendments

You make an excellent point.
I have argued that in the years to come, the Roe decision will be viewed as one of the worst, if not the single worst, decision ever delivered by the US Supreme Court.


48 posted on 05/11/2013 10:33:45 AM PDT by txnativegop (Fed up with zealots)
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To: Squeako

Did you give them your SS# to avoid being beaten and arrested?


49 posted on 05/11/2013 10:34:26 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Safetgiver

Can’t do that today, Lawyers would lose too much money on drunk driving cases and Madd Mothers would crap all over themselves.


50 posted on 05/11/2013 10:37:50 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Bshaw

Police are like anyone else. There are good and bad.

The one thing they all have in common is once they are on the force they become an entity apart from normal Human beings. They no longer trust the rest of us, they only trust each other.
The authority they have is used like a baton, anything is considered an act of disrespect, Any time you question their authority in any manner it is considered resistance. Even taking their picture is considered disrespect. Yet they tell you when they pull you over that you are being recorded both audibly and visually. While a police officer has you in their power at a stop, it is expected for you to be completely subservient. There can be no other way or you face arrest.

It is apparent that they expect respect without giving any.

When you go to traffic Court your testimony means nothing unless you can prove yourself innocent. Just the opposite of a Civil Court. Judges just assume the cop wouldn’t lie, but you would.

It’s the system.


51 posted on 05/11/2013 10:51:40 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Rusty0604
Did you give them your SS# to avoid being beaten and arrested?

I actually did, because I had yet to have my eyes opened. They made it clear that I couldn't refuse and when they rest their hands on their guns, it really brings a sense of authority over you, especially when the second set of cops pulled up behind them. As it turns out they lied! Surprise! Of course they found nothing, and the fact that I was under no obligation to give them so much as my name really cinched it for me. (insert "You can't expect them to tell criminals that they don't have to talk to police, do you?" comment here)

The thing about the other cases is that I gave them a description of the perps, car and a license plate number. Response: "That's probably a rental and they're long gone." Dude! That was fifteen minutes ago! Maybe I should be glad they showed up even that quickly.

52 posted on 05/11/2013 11:00:25 AM PDT by Squeako (The radicals are the wolves. The moderates are the wolves in sheep's clothing.)
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To: eddie willers
I agree it is logical for cops to overwhelm the criminal and I do not, in general hate cops. I have friends that are cops and my brother is retired from the CHP. Most cops I know do not have that the little tin god syndrome but those that do (my guess is around 30%) taint even the good ones and need to be weeded out. Also, after dealing with the scum of society for years it is reasonable for cops to fear for their lives under any and all circumstances when doing their job. It is when people get dead and personal videos of the incident are confiscated unlawfully by the cops that also taints the good ones.
53 posted on 05/11/2013 11:06:54 AM PDT by drypowder
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To: drypowder

Morals have been deteriorating with the spiritual state of our society, and the scum is scummier than ever now (even most crooks had some gospel acknowledgment at one point). That acknowledged, the filth is also clearly carrying over to the “boys in blue” and truly it is even on display now with Willers’ personal attacks.


54 posted on 05/11/2013 11:12:31 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: Squeako

I haven’t been put in that position yet but I hope that if I do I could stick up for my rights, but, as you said, they can be intimidating. Makes you wonder what is worth dying over, especially when the cops report that you were obstructing justice or some other crap.


55 posted on 05/11/2013 11:14:17 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Rusty0604

Sometimes the charges really are fishing expeditions, in the feeble hope that a court might find some reason to inquire into what the person in question was doing. Morals are going to hell in general and this is one facet of it.


57 posted on 05/11/2013 11:15:54 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: eddie willers

Another personal attack. You clearly display the problem which is overwhelming society as we speak.


58 posted on 05/11/2013 11:16:49 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
What personal attack?

Be specific.

59 posted on 05/11/2013 11:27:39 AM PDT by eddie willers
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To: eddie willers

A personal attack at “all freepers.” I am not going to play little baby games with you. I have reported your posts and I leave it up to the mods to do what is right, but even if they don’t, what you have done is clear before the Lord God and He is never never mocked. Fear, son. Fear.


60 posted on 05/11/2013 11:30:17 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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