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Exhausted Kermit Gosnell Jury Goes Home, Two Weeks With No Verdict
Life News ^ | Steven Ertelt

Posted on 05/10/2013 10:59:46 AM PDT by Morgana

An emotionally exhausted jury in the murder trial of abortion practitioner Kermit Gosnell is going home for the weekend.

After two weeks of deliberations — with much of it spent getting an understanding of how to apply the law from the judge in the case and listening again to testimony of Gosnell staffers about how he and his staff killed babies in abortions and infanticides — the jury has no verdict.

Two local reporters provided more details.

Bryan Kemper of the pro-life group Stand True has been closely monitoring the case and put it in perspective for pro-life people getting impatient about a verdict. “Everyone needs to understand the jury must have 227 verdicts, not just one in the Gosnell murder trial. This can take a long time. Keep praying for the Jury and also for the soul of Gosnell,” he said. Gosnell is charged with four counts of first-degree murder for killing babies following delivery in an abortion process that involved “snipping” their necks and spinal cords. He also faces a third-degree murder charge related to the death of a woman, Karnamaya Mongar, 41, of Virginia, from a botched legal abortion. Gosnell, who has been in jail since his January 2011 arrest. CLICK LIKE IF YOU’RE PRO-LIFE!

The abortionist faces 258 counts total and other charges against him include one count of infanticide and one of racketeering, 24 counts of performing third-trimester abortions and 227 counts of failing to follow the 24-hour waiting period law before an abortion so women can consider its risks and alternatives.

Recently, LifeNews published an article to help answer the question of why the jury in the murder trial of abortion practitioner Kermit Gosnell is taking so long.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: abortion; gosnell; prolife

1 posted on 05/10/2013 10:59:46 AM PDT by Morgana
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To: Morgana

Difficult for them to sentence a human being to death, I guess.

Gosnell is lucky they don’t find it as easy as he did.

I guess splitting legal hairs is more difficult than snapping human spines.


2 posted on 05/10/2013 11:02:47 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: PieterCasparzen

Or perhaps all need more time to meet with their agents?


3 posted on 05/10/2013 11:12:13 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: Morgana

My bet is that there is one pro-choice holdout who will not convict under any circumstances.


4 posted on 05/10/2013 11:14:53 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Moslems reserve the right to detonate anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: Morgana

I suspect Gosnell is going to walk.


5 posted on 05/10/2013 11:17:08 AM PDT by ScottinVA ( Liberal is to patriotism as Kermit Gosnell is to neonatal care.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Perhaps. Maybe they can share a particularly toasty hearth in Hell with Gosnell some day.


6 posted on 05/10/2013 11:18:37 AM PDT by null and void (America needs to be led by warriors not by lawyers)
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To: PieterCasparzen

You didn’t read the post. They have over two hundred charges to examine. It’s not if he’s guilty. It’s about all the different charges, and they have to decide which ones or probably all of them they will vote guilty on. It clear he’s guilty and violated the law in many, many ways, but I think the jury is simply trying to get it right. He’s an evil man, but he still is supposed to get a fair trial.


7 posted on 05/10/2013 11:22:44 AM PDT by Essie
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To: Morgana

What do the jurors LOOK like?


8 posted on 05/10/2013 11:23:24 AM PDT by bkopto (Obama and Biden are merely symptoms of a more profound, systemic disease in American body politic.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
My bet is that there is one pro-choice holdout who will not convict under any circumstances.

That's what I'm thinking. One or two holdouts trying to hang the jury.

9 posted on 05/10/2013 11:24:07 AM PDT by kevkrom (Obama: less class than Bill Clinton)
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To: ScottinVA
I suspect Gosnell is going to walk.

That'd set some bad precedent. (Also, it would raise the question "what would an abortionist have to do to be convicted [of murder]?")

10 posted on 05/10/2013 11:24:20 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

The requirement to render 227 separate verdicts is excessively burdensome. They’ve already spent days listening to read-backs of testimony. How many more days/weeks will they be deliberating?

I’m afraid this jury, and trial, may be a lost cause. Those poor babies and that woman who was murdered...

Prayers for the jurors, and for justice to be done!


11 posted on 05/10/2013 11:27:26 AM PDT by Deo volente (God willing, America shall survive this Obamanation.)
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To: bkopto
What do the jurors LOOK like?

People.

12 posted on 05/10/2013 11:38:37 AM PDT by Clock King
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To: Morgana

Expedite this by sending the jury home and paroling Scott Roeder.


13 posted on 05/10/2013 11:42:45 AM PDT by beelzepug (Telling other people they need to die is a good way to get your own lamp blown out.)
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To: Essie

I agree; just noting that the laws of America have become far too complex - splitting hairs.

I understand that as many charges as possible are brought so if defendant gets off on a technicality on some its difficult for them to get off on all in such a manner.

That should not be the way things work, however, if the system of laws and the court proceedings were closer to being just.

It’s pretty cut and dried from a simplistic point of view - man killed babies. It was him (not a case of wrong man being accused), the babies did die, he was responsible, and it was not an accident, it was done purposefully.

But highly schooled lawyers have turned our courts into an art form of playing with language, i.e., “that depends on what you mean by the word is”.

Two hundred years ago such shenanigans would not be humored by courts.

IMHO, there’s a real and practical and very concrete difference between getting a trial that’s rushed and does not hear all evidence, or purposefully infringes on a defendant’s right to defend themselves in court in some other way - and getting a fair trial where the truth of one’s guilt simply comes out and a guilty defendant is found guilty. We don’t convict if there’s a reasonable doubt; the word reasonable used to mean something back in the day.


14 posted on 05/10/2013 12:26:41 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: Essie

IMHO, once a case gets buried in a large number of charges and too much complexity, the jury (who are not professional lawyers) can get very tired and have great difficulty rendering a verdict. Of course, if the charges apply in the case they should be brought. But it’s the complex way in which lawyers have designed the whole body of law that makes the consideration of them by a random group of citizens very difficult.


15 posted on 05/10/2013 12:30:38 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: Morgana

Maybe they are stalling to keep getting paid; Philadelphia has high unemployment. The verdict would seem certain by the “standards” of Philadelphia: Not Guilty NO MATTER WHAT!


16 posted on 05/10/2013 3:51:09 PM PDT by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Yes. There has to be at least one hard core abortionist in the mix.


17 posted on 05/10/2013 3:52:05 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard

De reverend Al Shaupton be waitin’ no why ya’ll be pickin’ on da blak man.


18 posted on 05/10/2013 5:25:59 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: hinckley buzzard

“Difficult for them to sentence a human being to death, I guess.”

No, that’s not it.

“...one pro-choice holdout who will not convict under any circumstances.”

And that’s not it.

“There has to be at least one hard core abortionist in the mix.”

Maybe. But not it.

These people have been through horrifying testimony. Some of them will probably have nightmares for the rest of their lives. But there are 258 total counts/charges? I think that was done deliberately to assure that no jury could possibly deal with it all.

We know what’s going to happen.

God help us.


19 posted on 05/10/2013 6:21:43 PM PDT by CatDancer (Where the spirit of the Lord is, there is Liberty. 2 Cor.3:17)
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To: Clock King; bkopto
"What do the jurors LOOK like?"  photo CC1227.jpg I'm beginning to wonder myself.
20 posted on 05/10/2013 9:05:12 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Morgana

Did they exclude pro-life jurors?


21 posted on 05/10/2013 10:58:39 PM PDT by Impy (All in favor of Harry Reid meeting Mr. Mayhem?)
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To: Impy

This was all pro choice jurors. I have a feeling they are pro life now.

Maybe as some one said they have to go through all 143? counts? One by one? and it is taking this long because of that.


22 posted on 05/11/2013 5:35:20 AM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Impy

correction 258 counts total


23 posted on 05/11/2013 5:35:49 AM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Clock King

Thank you! :-)

1 Sam 16
7 But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart.


24 posted on 05/11/2013 1:02:07 PM PDT by mbj
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