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VIDEO OF SEAL TEAM 6 FAMILY PRESS CONFERENCE 5/9/13
The United West ^ | 5/10/2013 | RACEBANNON

Posted on 05/10/2013 2:47:40 AM PDT by RaceBannon

VIDEO OF SEAL TEAM 6 FAMILY PRESS CONFERENCE 5-9-2013 OVER 2 HOURS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqtJrJ40Cio


TOPICS: News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: helicopter; sealteam; wot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqtJrJ40Cio
1 posted on 05/10/2013 2:47:41 AM PDT by RaceBannon
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To: RaceBannon

Published on May 9, 2013
May 9, Thursday 10:00 AM, National Press Club, Washington, DC:

Watch these Navy SEAL Team VI families and other family members as they reveal the Obama Administrations culpability in death of their sons in the fatal helicopter crash in Afghanistan following the successful raid on bin Laden’s compound. This is a powerful and riveting briefing thatincluded some of America’s most significant military leaders.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqtJrJ40Cio


2 posted on 05/10/2013 2:48:21 AM PDT by RaceBannon (Telling the truth about RINOS, PAULTARDS, Liberals and Muslims has become hate speech)
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To: RaceBannon

bttt


3 posted on 05/10/2013 2:51:26 AM PDT by OwenKellogg
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To: RaceBannon

Seal Team Six had to be eliminated because there WAS no Osama Bin Laden.’’ he was dead long ago in Tora Bora and the Fedgov kept him “alive” in the same vein as Emanuel Goldstein in “1984.” Dumped his body at sea? We should be insulted that they think we are that stupid.


4 posted on 05/10/2013 2:51:44 AM PDT by ez (Muslims do not play well with others.)
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To: sneakers

bttt


5 posted on 05/10/2013 2:57:35 AM PDT by sneakers (Go Sheriff Joe!)
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To: sneakers

bmup


6 posted on 05/10/2013 3:17:52 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: RaceBannon
RaceBannon, can you please reduce this long video down to what went wrong and losing so many of our best in one shot?

I'm not a combat Sailor, but I do know that sometimes crap happens in war. The enemy (Taliban) does have their own intell and often times know where a patrol or a rescue mission is going to happen either through counter-intelligence or simple ground intell or observation. Think Mogadishu.

Beside the obscene ROE and that Imman having a say, I don't see where this was just a lucky shot from the Islamists.

I'm sorry I don't have the time to listen to all the heartfelt sorrow of the families, so can you please give us a timeline of the mission and why so many elite were on that Chinook and why they and you think that particular helo was shot down in retribution for them killing bin Laden?

Maybe the video shows more, but so for I'm not seeing any culpability on anyone's part.

What I read at the time and in this video, it just looks like the bad guys lucked out after some idiot put too many elite forces into one helicopter. Being Gator Navy, I launched the Marines of LPH-11 daily and nightly after VN. I clearly remember one Ch-47 going down in training.

Please give me a time line and why this was nothing more than a lucky shot my Koranimals.

Seems everyone is speculating about that awful loss.

7 posted on 05/10/2013 3:35:49 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: A Navy Vet

We speculate about a lot of things we have to because we cannot get the truth from our Government or the so-called American Press.

IMO these men were sacrificed to the Muslims.


8 posted on 05/10/2013 3:46:06 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: ez
Seal Team Six had to be eliminated . . .

When Zero goes completely rogue, he will most fear the spec ops community. The more of these he can have destroyed before he declares himself ‘dictator for life,’ using the cover of enemy kills, the better. Additionally, it sends a message to those who remain of what he is capable of doing to them.

9 posted on 05/10/2013 4:01:19 AM PDT by iontheball
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To: ez
"Seal Team Six had to be eliminated because there WAS no Osama Bin Laden.’’ he was dead long ago in Tora Bora and the Fedgov kept him “alive” in the same vein as Emanuel Goldstein in “1984.”"

Bullshit. You really think that ALL those SEALS and higher ups would keep their mouth shut? I don't believe it for a second. They got that prick and glad they shove his body off the side of ship. Although it's been claimed they gave him religious honors, I would doubt that, also. However, if they did and I was aviation E-6 at one time, I would have openly called BS and dared anyone to threaten me. There are a lot more honorable military than people give credit.

The thing that bothers me the most is Biden identifying the team that killed Usama. That is what has led to various conspiracies and possibly the Taliban looking for an opportunity. I'm telling you now, SEAL's have way too much honor and cojones to be involved in a cover-up.

As for the Chinook going down:
I don't understand why it didn't have back up to rescue those Rangers - think gunships.
Also, I've always been surprised that some commander put so many elite on one single CH-47. I hope that officer saw his career go down in flames. But then, you just never know in your best field tactics.

I believe it was all just the horror of war. Most times our guys kick ass; other times they get their asses kicked. You need only look at Walter Reed hospital with all the hundreds/thousands of surviving Troops with body parts missing. Unfortunately, we don't win every engagement with all the insurgents and IED's and infiltration my the enemy.

And that's pretty much why I say f*ck Aftganiscrap and the entire region. There is no appeasing these Koranimals. Their own religion tells them to lie and infiltrate against their own allys.

What's our recourse, other than State Department BS?
I say pull out and let them self-destruct as now in Syria and Egypt. Anyone who develops an Islamic atomic bomb, blow them back to their beloved 7th century. That includes every last man, woman, and child.

Yes, I said children. If you've ever watched how the Muslims raise their children in various documentaries, I'd rather see them die than grow up kill our innocent Western children. I hate so-called palestinians, Hamas, Hizbollah, and of Iran's proxies and their killing culture. Kill them all, NOW, before it's too late.

Last thought: This is not a war of religion like the ancient Crusades. This is against a political theology that only has domination as the end result, much like ever other forms of tyranny this rock has seen. Kill them completely and stop letting them into our Country.

Make me king of the world for one day, and I would nuke Mecca and Medina. Then I would send bunker busters down the Iranian holes.

I don't trust a one of them. Mushroom clouds would be growing all over the Middle East, Indonesia, Malaysia, Africa, etc, and the the world could get on with its life. The few remaining Islamists would crawl back into their holes where they belong.

But no, Iran and others are going to get nuclear weapons and if not launch, definitely hold Western civilization hostage as they infiltrate with more immigration and building their Mosques.

The next big war won't be between China or Russia and the US/NATO. I've got about 20 years left and my prediction is that starting with Russia (think Chechnya) will finally decide to eliminate these Muslim shits. China is not far behind with their infiltration. The Philippines have their problems and building their military to combat the Koranimals. Most of the Euro-weenies are lost.

10 posted on 05/10/2013 4:29:26 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: A Navy Vet

A firefight ongoing for over three hours...All the seals on one helicoptor (against policy)...7 Afghanistanis on the flight...They were replaced with 7 other Afghanistanis at the last minute without a change in the flight manifest...No one knows who or what they were...

Seals were put into a military transport helicoptor instead of the special-ops helicoptors that they train with and use...

No drone or air support to clear the landing area...No ‘eye in the sky’ tracking or support and no air defenses...

Dropping into a ‘hot’ firefight at night with zero support in a rickety helicoptor made for transport, not battle...Suicidal...And this is just some of the information on the video...

Appears as tho they were sent in to die...


11 posted on 05/10/2013 4:34:10 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: Venturer; RaceBannon
"IMO these men were sacrificed to the Muslims."

Give me facts. I've been needing a cause of late and supporting our SEALS and the other Elites on that Chinook would put me out front - not that I'm anybody.

As for now, I don't see it was other than a lucky RPG or MANPAD shoot down by the Taliban/al Queda.

Still, why so many elite on one Chinook? I also don't have the exact reason why they were going to the aid of the Rangers and what their situation was. Which if that simple, good for them, but still seems like a bad command decision with so many elite on ONE helo without other air support. But then, the fog of war. Guess I need to go back and read up.

12 posted on 05/10/2013 4:41:14 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: Iscool; RaceBannon
"All the seals on one helicoptor (against policy)...7 Afghanistanis on the flight...They were replaced with 7 other Afghanistanis at the last minute without a change in the flight manifest...No one knows who or what they were...

That's curious, yes. However, I've never read that nor seen anyone stipulate such. Maybe it's in the video.

"Seals were put into a military transport helicoptor instead of the special-ops helicoptors that they train with and use..."

First, SEALS and other Spec Operators train on all sorts of aircraft. There life consists of training and jumping out of all types of aircraft and it never stops. There are NO end days for SEAL/Ranger/Delta/Air Force ground combat training. The same as our own Coast Guard trains every day to rescue people from boating accidents.

Being ex-Gator Navy back in 70's early 80's, I don't understand your difference between "transport" and "spec-ops" helos. There were 17 SEALS and some Army Spec-Ops, at least one Navy combat corpsman, and the crew of 4 if I remember correctly in that Chinook. What's a "spec-ops helo"?

In my time the Chinook was THE ship to shore transport for a small platoon of Marines and SpecOps. So what has changed? A different letter on the CH-47? I dealt with them on the flight deck day and night. Please explain the difference, keeping in mind the carrying capacity of a CH-47 Chinook.

A larger CH-43 Sea Stallion (full platoon capacity - plus additional equipment), a Black Hawk that's good for a combat squad, a Huey that is even smaller for maybe 4 plus crew, and then the Cobra that doesn't carry troops and neither does the Apache, both being support aircraft. I could have this all wrong as far as troop numbers, but think it's close. It's been many years since I launched and recovered.

Are you suggesting that the SpecOps should have been transported in 3 or 4 of UH-60 Black Hawks? That would make some sense if they had them available. But then you deal with assets available at the time.

Battle 101: Don't group up. If there were other helos available for the mission and the operational commander didn't utilize them, then he has a lot on his shoulders. If not, you use the assets you have available. And that one Chinook may have been all that was available to rescue the Rangers. If you want to go further, bring this up in Congressional hearings, not that it would do much good.

Again, the fog of war IMHO. Sometimes our guys just die. It's still happening all the time in Aftganiscrap. What made this an issue is that SO many elite died in one shootdown who were in the same SEAL unit that took down bin Laden. Again, I think the bastards just got lucky. But hey, what do I know? There could have been some insurgent Aftgani or Paki intell to the goat humpers in the pass.

Whatever the reason, we lost a lot of highly trained American warriors in one shoot. That sucks, but having spent some time with SEALS at Coronado, they would be okay dying to save the Rangers.

13 posted on 05/10/2013 5:49:29 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: A Navy Vet

You answered your own question.

That party was against all the rules of a planned mission.

It was a set-up. Will there ever be incontrovertible proof?

Hell no.

Just as the Benghazi hearing are spewing out incontrovertible proof and Democrats are still spinning it.


14 posted on 05/10/2013 5:51:02 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: A Navy Vet
Being ex-Gator Navy back in 70's early 80's, I don't understand your difference between "transport" and "spec-ops" helos. There were 17 SEALS and some Army Spec-Ops, at least one Navy combat corpsman, and the crew of 4 if I remember correctly in that Chinook. What's a "spec-ops helo"?

I don't have a clue...

I was just parroting what was said by those in the video...

15 posted on 05/10/2013 6:01:06 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: Venturer
"It was a set-up."

I don't believe it. I think it was just a bad operation. Shit happens in war.

Benghazi, well, that was avoidable and now has turned into a cover-up.

There are people who run from threats and their people who run towards threats. Our SEAL's did just that and got screwed by our politicians. No matter how the MSM or Hillary spins it, they will be remembered by us true Patriots.

Oh know, did I just put myself on a FBI list by saying that word - Patriots? Too bad, here's more PATRIOT TO THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION! Come get me for being a PATRIOT to my Oath. I've gotten to old to care about such. They can take everything, put me in jail, and it won't be anything new to me. Plus, I'm too ugly and old to get laid in prison...haha! I sincerely just don't give a crap. I'm waiting for Revolutionary War II.

16 posted on 05/10/2013 6:10:34 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: A Navy Vet

not my video
not this one :)
wish I was there, I know a few of the audience


17 posted on 05/10/2013 7:11:00 AM PDT by RaceBannon (Telling the truth about RINOS, PAULTARDS, Liberals and Muslims has become hate speech)
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To: ez

???maroon


18 posted on 05/10/2013 8:14:13 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: A Navy Vet

I just listened to the whole thing while washing dishes so I didn’t take notes but will say what I can remember, so you can get a basic gist. i didn’t hear some stuff because my laptop has bad speakers.

This was an area of known high concentration of terrorists who had been known to want to shoot down US aircraft. The Afghanistani military had to be informed of all of the specifics of any operation, in advance.

There had been a 3 1/2 hour firefight before these people were called in. It was said that there was a high-value target and they had to get him right then and there. At the last minute the 7 Saudis who had been assigned to the mission were changed out by some unspecified person; the manifest was not changed and in fact the military notified the original 7 AFghans’ families that they had been killed and only told them later, when the bodies were identified, that it was somebody else who had been killed. The investigation after the event did not identify who switched out these people; the Afghanistani military was not questioned by the investigation at all.

The US military had within the month before this event averaged over 800 special op events/month. There were 60 aircraft but at any point in time 20 were for combat operations, 20 were being maintained, and 20 were being used for training. So there were 20 available aircraft at an average of close to 30 operations/day.

They were sent out into a battle that had been raging for 3.5 hours in a transport plane that had last been updated in the mid-1980’s. They had no firepower and nobody to clear the way for them. The Chinook itself was not on radar and it took 10 minutes after the shoot-down to even figure out what helo had gone down. (With no “eye in the sky”, there is no footage from which to assess what had happened. They also claim to have not found the “black box”, which is actually orange and if I’m not mistaken has GPS so it can be found. They never “found” it, so there were no provisions made from the outset to allow for objective sources of information about what happened, and what they should have been able to find they didn’t.)

The report that the families were given said that the Chinook was shot down by shooters on the top of a building - who were supposedly there at 2am to “lay down crops”. I have no idea what that means but it sounds like a bunch of hooey. The reason for not sending in a drone and/or shooting down where the fire was coming from was because we need to “win the hearts and minds” of the people in this area of concentrated terrorists. But one of the dads had a letter from a Congress-critter who said he had been in a high-level meeting to talk about the causes and the real reason was that they didn’t know where the fire was coming from. That was the point at which that dad knew he was being lied to - because the stories changed.

Just a comment here. In the middle of a 3.5-hour firefight, with known, concentrated levels of terrorists including a high-value target - is there any better time to blow the whole place up with a drone attack? Obama is losing us a lot of allies because of his indiscriminate use of drone strikes but how could you get a more-justified situation for using a drone attack? Why instead send in 25 of the very best human resources you’ve got? I would REALLY like to know how many drone strikes Obama had authorized before this mission. IIRC, there were already concerns around then about Obama having a porn-like fascination with drone strikes and watching them over and over. I’d like to see some stats on the prevalance of drone strikes over Obama’s years.

The day before Biden disclosed that it was Team 6 who carried out the Bin Laden raid, top military (and Obama regime people too, IIRC) had met and said that not only Team 6 members but also their families needed to have extra protection because somebody in the Taliban might somehow suspect who was involved and target the families. It was stated how critical it was to keep the identities anonymous. And then the next day Joe Biden told the whole world. And yet a whole group of these guys were sent out with no protection, no documenting radar, with 7 anonymous Afghanistanis substituted at the last moment, in a mission custom-built for a drone attack.

After the attack the bodies were cremated - supposedly because they were burned so badly that they had to be identified by DNA and dental records. But the dad of one of the cremated victims had asked to see the autopsy and had been given the photos of the body - intact, no need to be cremated.

At the service at Bagram Air Base an imam was allowed to chant a standard chant saying that the enemies of Allah would be defeated and go to hell and that Islam has won. Families of the fallen are ALWAYS given a copy of the service but none of these families were given a copy. The mom who brought forward this video (which was a 10-minute redaction from a several-hour video that the military had provided, not showing the imam who had done this gloating curse over the dead bodies) said she was not comfortable sharing how she was eventually able to get this video in February this year (about 2 years after the fact).

I would have liked a chance to talk to the dad who sounded like he had a Boston accent. He made some comments I didn’t fully understand, and I think he knows a lot more detail about the specifics that don’t add up. It was also said that just before the press conference other families made contact with the dad who sort of headed up this effort, and one of those dads said he found out details that made him sick to his stomach.


19 posted on 05/10/2013 9:29:00 AM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: butterdezillion; A Navy Vet

Something else. It was pitch-black. 2am. It wasn’t stated what kind of weapon hit the Chinook - whether it was a Manpad, a heat-seeking missile, RPG, etc. But the hit was deadly accurate in the pitch dark in the middle of the night.

I would like to know if there was any kind of tracking device on the 7 Afghanistanis who were substituted at the last minute.

The cover-up indicates a complicit military leadership. One of the moms said that she was appalled when a 4-star Admiral (Krogan? I couldn’t understand the name when it was given) told them stuff that was simply not true and nearly assaulted her when she mentioned the cover-up regarding Pat Tillman. The changing stories, the negligent investigation that didn’t question the Afghanistanis and didn’t “find” the black box, the ceremony with the imam that was hidden from the families (against routine), the cremations when they weren’t needed and lying about them being needed, the failure to even have radar tracking the movements of a transport vehicle carrying 25 of our best assets.... all this stuff says this was more than just a SNAFU. These protocols ALL had to be disabled in order for this whole thing to go down like it did.

It’s actually stunning, the parallels between this and Benghazi, on all three levels: advance preparations, during the event, and the coverup afterwards.


20 posted on 05/10/2013 9:37:08 AM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: butterdezillion; A Navy Vet

The US military has had to acknowledge when terrorist Afghanistanis have infiltrated and perpetrated attacks. For them to fail to check out who slipped in these other 7 Afghanistanis at the last minute suggests they were WILLFULLY BLIND, as opposed to other times when they were willing to say that the attack was perpetrated by infiltrators. That says to me that this attack was different.

Allowing the imam to gloat afterwards also says that this was different. I couldn’t hear real clearly but I thought they were saying that the imam was there because they hadn’t yet identified which bodies were the Afghanistanis, who had to be flown back to the US to be identified. So some of the coffins had American flags draped over them and some had AFghanistani flags draped over them, even though they said they had no way of knowing which bodies were Afghans. The one mom was incensed that her son may have come home to the US with an Afghan flag draping the coffin.

If they had investigated and found that the 7 Afghanistanis who went on that mission were part of the infiltration that killed our men, I wonder if they would have allowed an imam to gloat over the dead bodies. Being willfully blind about what really happened there may be central to the Muslims getting to have their gloat over the men who had allegedly killed Osama Bin Laden. The Afghanistanis who had been assigned to go on that flight would have still been around there, and SOMEBODY surely knew there was something screwy going on because those guys were still there when they were supposedly on the helo.


21 posted on 05/10/2013 9:48:01 AM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: butterdezillion
I acknowledged much of what you assert above. My bottom-line point is I don't think this was an Obama let-them-get-even for killing bin Laden.

I still think it was a poorly executed rescue mission (remember Carter's failed attempt to rescue the hostages?) by a less than stellar field operational commander. Sh*t happens, even with the best of planning and I actually cried the day I heard all those warriors and fellow Shipmates went down.

However, I don't think anything other than some insurgent intell made it happen, and we just can't know everything the bad guys were planning. I just think it was some grand conspiracy with our own Fedgov to kill so many of SEAL Team 6.

Don't have it readily available, but somewhere on this site is a list atrocities by Koranimals since 9/11/01 all over the World. There is also a list of how many of the efforts have been thwarted. Again: We need to be right 100% of the time; they need to be successful 1%.

That's why I say it's time to teach these barbarians a lesson and send them back to the their beloved 7th century. I'm ready to make some examples, starting with Iran.

22 posted on 05/10/2013 10:50:35 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: butterdezillion
"Something else. It was pitch-black. 2am. It wasn’t stated what kind of weapon hit the Chinook - whether it was a Manpad, a heat-seeking missile, RPG, etc. But the hit was deadly accurate in the pitch dark in the middle of the night."

Here's something for you to think about: Not only are all kinds of weapons sold to or traded by the bad guys, but they also have access to night vision equipment.

Please understand that I'm not making excuses for the poor tactical operation, which is where I place the blame. I'm just not seeing any grand conspiracy. We have enough with the Benghazi debacle, not to mention the "Fast and Furious" gun-running operation.

23 posted on 05/10/2013 10:59:09 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: A Navy Vet

I just [don’t] think...


24 posted on 05/10/2013 11:01:08 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: A Navy Vet
May god rest those courageous souls. Again, getting choked up having known the likes of them. Spec Ops are our best warriors. They even now have a site where they are coming out against Obambi and his un-Constitutional and anti-American ways.

It was a poorly executed tactical rescue operation. The field commander should be held accountable. Do you know his name? Sure it's somewhere in this thread. He has probably already been relieved of his command authority.

If he doesn't step forward, then that may support your assertions and others' idea of conspiracy. We'll see.

25 posted on 05/10/2013 11:10:05 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: A Navy Vet

Why the cover-up? Why the refusal to investigate and the lies to the parents?

The stuff that happened that night was beyond poor execution. Substitutions were made without the manifest reflecting the changes. Nobody found out who authorized the change or why. There was no radar. They didn’t look for the black box. Bodies were cremated against the wishes of the men and their families and excuses were made for that which are demonstrably false. An imam was allowed to gloat over the dead infidels, and the copies of the service where it happened were not given to the families, which is ALWAYS done.

This wasn’t just a one-night SNAFU. This was a concerted effort over 2 years, to hide and lie about what really happened.

It’s just like Benghazi (and Fast & Furious, for that matter). They are covering up a bunch of stuff and the question needs to be answered: Why?

We’ve got 3 “incidents” where deaths happened, and there has been a big cover-up. Once is an accident, twice is coincidence, but 3 times is deliberate. What the heck is going on with this lawless regime? (And that’s not even getting into Bin Laden’s son Hamza being figuratively high-fived by Michelle Obama in the hospital after he was tackled at the Boston marathon finish line and classified as a “known terrorist”. Nor is it getting into the eligibility issue, where we know that forgery, perjury, and fraud were committed not only by Obama but by LOTS of people within the system. So we’ve got more like FIVE cover-ups by this regime).

And there’s more too, regarding the Bin Laden revenge: the informant who allowed us to get Bin Laden has been thrown under the bus by the Obama regime - first by revealing who it was and then by leaving him to be captured and abused by the Taliban. It was like this regime did everything necessary for the Taliban to get revenge on EVERYBODY involved in that Bin Laden raid. Not just the SEALS. The informant too.

And that wasn’t the only casualty either. Special Ops Speaks pointed out that Obama’s immediate announcement and the information that was disclosed compromised our ability to exploit the intel we acquired and also allowed the enemy to know our methods of gaining intel so that they could circumvent those methods in the future. That is right out in the open for anybody to see. We don’t even have to make a conspiracy out of this; it’s just plain common knowledge.

We had an investigation over who accidentally disclosed that Valerie Plame was a CIA operative. Her husband, Joe Wilson, actually disclosed that publicly and got in no trouble for it. But we ended up with Scooter Libby jailed because of that, which cost no lives and put no operations in jeopardy.

Yet in this case, where the lives of our SEALS and our informants were at stake as well as our ongoing ability to conduct operations - and yet JOE BIDEN gave up operational details that allowed not only the SEALS but the doctor who cooperated with intel necessary to do the Bin Laden raid being targeted by AQ and/or the Taliban. And nothing has been done in response to the VICE PRESIDENT and PRESIDENT leaking the very details necessary to put these people and our counter-terrorism efforts at great risk.

With “friends” like the supposed CINC and his supposed VP, who needs enemies? It is without question that their actions put our guys and our anti-terrorism efforts at risk. Our men died in part because of the KNOWN public statements by these 2 guys. And the people who cooperated with us were deserted regarding the Bin Laden raid, just like Mubarak and Ghadaffi - our greatest allies in the war on terror in the Middle East - were deserted by this regime and replaced with the Muslim Brotherhood which is now releasing known terrorists, arming them, and instituting sharia including the persecution and executions of non-Muslims.

There are WAY too many patterns, and CONSISTENT patterns, by this Obama regime for it all to be explained by either incompetence or accident. WAY too much.


26 posted on 05/10/2013 11:58:42 AM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: butterdezillion
Who could have foreseen the Boston Marathon terrorist explosions? Although we hear every day about the FBI/CIA and other intell orgs thwarting some terrorist plans, unless we go Soviet style, there is no way our intell agencies can foresee and stop everything psycopath. Even the Russians couldn't foresee the atrocity of the Beslan school, supposedly in the name of Allah (piss be upon him).

We live in a different World now. Get used to it. The bad guys (mostly Koranimals) have the silent hand and they know it. Like I said, kill them all or continue to allow them to kill us for the sake of political correctness and diversity.

Here's my bottom line and I don't care who reads it: Islam has become a bigger sore on this rock than it ever was through history. I don't trust a frigging one of them. Being an agnostic, I just want me and mine to live in peace and have the opportunity to prosper. They want all to bow down to their sh*t ass moon god. I despise Islam and all it stands for.

Does anyone need to be reminded what occurs around the world on almost a daily basis? If so, here ya go:
Forced marriages including children;
Forced sex;
Forced hiding of women's bodies. And why is that? It's not about the Islam claim to modesty; it's about the ruthless rapist that Muslim men are;
Forced conversion to their religion or pay a toll as stipulated in the Koran. OR get deaded.
Forced destruction of all other historic religious artifacts;
Forced children in their teaching to hate anything Israel or Western civilization;
And the best of their culture, FORCED circumcision of female genitalia. Gotta love that one. BTW, where are the hags from NOW?
Oh another best, the so-called palestinians who cut their own heads and those of their children for some obscure cause for Allah.

Islam is a sick non-civil rights culture. And for those of you on the Dummies forums and reading this from your safe (guess again) university tablet, it is NOT a peaceful religion.

It is a politically inspired theology. What you Dummies don't get, is that even the Koran talks about Abraham and admires him and sons until it gets into jihad and especially the "Hadiths". The Koran claims the same lineology of the Bible, but veers off into a cult. You poor brain-washed students just don't know what works for a civilized society and what doesn't work.

Come get me Mohammedsh*ts. Please make me a martyr that you so relish and watch what happens when some nobody Navy veteran in Orange County gets deaded for your crap religion. Come on...you cowardly pieces of sh*t. I'm here every day. I know you can find me from your big mosque and resources. No? You don't want to upset your image lies?

Well, here's more: Mohammed sucked pig d*ck. Now try me.

27 posted on 05/10/2013 12:09:33 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: A Navy Vet

We have night vision equipment as well. Why didn’t we have anybody there who could have laid down protective cover? They could have seen who was armed and where they were. It could have been an armed drone and the camera-man could have found where the armed elements were and had the drone fire specifically at those armed elements in the area. This was after 3.5 hours of firefights. We knew there were armed terrorists there, including a high-value target. Why send our people in totally defenseless, knowing that the enemy has the capability of night vision?

That’s not a tactical mistake. That is suicide. Except the person who ordered it was not who was sent into certain death so instead of suicide it’s actually more like murder.


28 posted on 05/10/2013 12:15:10 PM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: A Navy Vet

I can’t argue with anything you said about Islam there.

If we can have Russia, Syria, and our own intel give so many screaming red flags about Tsarnaev, and we STILL gave him welfare allowing him to plan and execute this attack - and we can catch Bin Laden’s son Hamza red-handed at the finish line when the explosions happened and still remove his “known terrorist” classification and let him go back to Saudi Arabia after he got a figurative high-five from Michelle Obama herself at the hospital..... then we will never EVER be able to stop known terrorists.

Not because we don’t know about them or their plans, but because we aid and abet the very people we KNOW are conspiring or (on the part of Hamza) have ALREADY conspired to kill innocent Americans.

The Obama regime - including Michelle Obama herself - are on the side of the terrorists. They have helped them at every turn. When that photo of Michelle Obama visiting Alhamdi (Bin Laden’s son Hamza) was published in the Muslim world, do you think those people didn’t know who Michelle was visiting? This guy was given a coming-out party in Iran with the video available for viewing. He was groomed as the guy who would avenge his father’s death and take over the jihad operations. What does it mean when you have the Muslim media trumpeting the visit by Michelle Obama of the guy they all know (but won’t say out loud) is Bin Laden’s son - and photos of him grinning broadly? Why do you think he was grinning broadly? Could it be because Michelle Obama knew this guy had killed Americans and yet she figuratively spread her legs for him in view of the Muslim world, knowing full well who he was and that he had just planned and executed the killing of innocent Americans including an 8-year-old boy waiting for his dad to cross the finish line?

The Muslim world knows what they bought and paid for, and Michelle demonstrated loudly and clearly that Obama will always bow to his true owners. LIke a big old middle-finger salute to this entire nation, including you and all others who have served our country and those who died to try to preserve this country.

I feel your passion, and I have the same passion for freedom and truth. I hope and pray that those things will prevail and will do everything in my power to see them prevail.


29 posted on 05/10/2013 12:32:20 PM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: butterdezillion
"We have night vision equipment as well. Why didn’t we have anybody there who could have laid down protective cover? They could have seen who was armed and where they were. It could have been an armed drone and the camera-man could have found where the armed elements were and had the drone fire specifically at those armed elements in the area."

Coulda, woulda, shoulda. Sorry, but being a simple aviation boatswains mate, I don't have the answers. What I do know from talking to various Marine, Army, and others, is that there is no perfect plan in a war zone. Sh*t happens.

Also remember that our assets can't be everywhere every moment. Don't know what else to say, other than if the commander of the rescue operation had air support to back up the Chinook and didn't use it by his own decision, he should pay dearly. If he didn't have such air support, than no fault of his for some once in a lifetime shoot down of all those SpecOps guys.

30 posted on 05/10/2013 12:33:14 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: A Navy Vet

Obama argued in one of the debates that we didn’t need a large defense budget for equipment because we have this new technology called drones. If we didn’t have ANYTHING that this commander could have sent in with firepower (after 3.5 hours of firefight already) then why would he even think we had the ability to kill/capture this supposed high-value target? Better to do surveillance, follow where this target went, and get him when we actually had some firepower to get him with.

They went right then because they were told they had a high-value target they HAD to get then. This is about like saying that we’ve got Al Capone and his whole mob in a shoot-out at their lair so we have to quick send in an unarmed Little Bo-Peep to capture him. It makes absolutely NO sense. Especially when you decide to send in every Little Bo-Peep you’ve got, all at once, unarmed, to the big bad, VERY ARMED mob of Al Capone.


31 posted on 05/10/2013 12:43:42 PM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: butterdezillion
"This wasn’t just a one-night SNAFU."

Guess what? Even in the most professional institutions in the world, SNAFU's occur.

Still, if there was malfeasance or dereliction of duty, then those responsible should pay according to the Uniform Code of Military Justice (USMJ).

If these families can prove such malfeasance or dereliction, I stand with them. I didn't see it in the parts of the video. I think that people now want their spot light. Once again, crap happens in the fog of war, even with the best commanders. Not to say he was...just making a point.

32 posted on 05/10/2013 12:47:03 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: A Navy Vet

Of course stuff happens in the fog of war. But compare this, for instance, to Black Hawk Down, which was a situation gone bad and people having to improvise their response as they were able. The middle of a fire-fight, the middle of the night, you know there are a lot of armed people. Mogadishu is awake and made as a hornet’s nest already.

And THEN you decide you have to go get a “high value target” and send them into the city aflame with armed enemies who have been shooting at your people for 3.5 hours already.... with no radar to watch what is happening to them and with no fire-power. You send your whole frickin’ team in that condition, to make a supposed capture or kill of one terrorist amongst a whole city full of them.

At this press conference it was said that the report the families received gave no information on who this supposed “high value target” was or what evidence they had that he was even there. If they did an investigation into whether the operation itself was justifiable that’s pretty critical information they didn’t have any interest in documenting.

I agree with you that whoever made that decision should be sitting in the hot seat. Part of the families’ fury is that none of that stuff was sorted out. No reasons were given. It was like the investigation itself echoed Hillary Clinton: What difference at this point does it make?

It does make a difference. It makes a huge difference, whether leadership will do the Biblical David-and-Uriah routine where inconvenient soldiers are sent into situations where it is intended for them to be “accidentally” killed. Just like it makes a huge difference if the military and the entire system decides to abandon the principle of “Never leave a man behind.” Lotta guys depending on that promise of faithfulness, and if you take that away it is - as Joe Biden would say - a “big f-ing deal”.


33 posted on 05/10/2013 12:57:46 PM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: RaceBannon

See also:

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/05/breaking-navy-seal-team-vi-families-to-reveal-governments-culpability-in-death-of-their-sons-thursday-at-nat-press-club/

Navy SEAL Team VI Families Reveal Government’s Culpability in Death of Their Sons at National Press Club


34 posted on 05/10/2013 10:30:44 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: sneakers

Bump again to bookmark


35 posted on 05/12/2013 4:33:28 AM PDT by sneakers (Go Sheriff Joe!)
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