Posted on 05/10/2013 2:47:40 AM PDT by RaceBannon
VIDEO OF SEAL TEAM 6 FAMILY PRESS CONFERENCE 5-9-2013 OVER 2 HOURS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqtJrJ40Cio
Published on May 9, 2013
May 9, Thursday 10:00 AM, National Press Club, Washington, DC:
Watch these Navy SEAL Team VI families and other family members as they reveal the Obama Administrations culpability in death of their sons in the fatal helicopter crash in Afghanistan following the successful raid on bin Laden’s compound. This is a powerful and riveting briefing thatincluded some of America’s most significant military leaders.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqtJrJ40Cio
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Seal Team Six had to be eliminated because there WAS no Osama Bin Laden.’’ he was dead long ago in Tora Bora and the Fedgov kept him “alive” in the same vein as Emanuel Goldstein in “1984.” Dumped his body at sea? We should be insulted that they think we are that stupid.
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I'm not a combat Sailor, but I do know that sometimes crap happens in war. The enemy (Taliban) does have their own intell and often times know where a patrol or a rescue mission is going to happen either through counter-intelligence or simple ground intell or observation. Think Mogadishu.
Beside the obscene ROE and that Imman having a say, I don't see where this was just a lucky shot from the Islamists.
I'm sorry I don't have the time to listen to all the heartfelt sorrow of the families, so can you please give us a timeline of the mission and why so many elite were on that Chinook and why they and you think that particular helo was shot down in retribution for them killing bin Laden?
Maybe the video shows more, but so for I'm not seeing any culpability on anyone's part.
What I read at the time and in this video, it just looks like the bad guys lucked out after some idiot put too many elite forces into one helicopter. Being Gator Navy, I launched the Marines of LPH-11 daily and nightly after VN. I clearly remember one Ch-47 going down in training.
Please give me a time line and why this was nothing more than a lucky shot my Koranimals.
Seems everyone is speculating about that awful loss.
We speculate about a lot of things we have to because we cannot get the truth from our Government or the so-called American Press.
IMO these men were sacrificed to the Muslims.
When Zero goes completely rogue, he will most fear the spec ops community. The more of these he can have destroyed before he declares himself ‘dictator for life,’ using the cover of enemy kills, the better. Additionally, it sends a message to those who remain of what he is capable of doing to them.
Bullshit. You really think that ALL those SEALS and higher ups would keep their mouth shut? I don't believe it for a second. They got that prick and glad they shove his body off the side of ship. Although it's been claimed they gave him religious honors, I would doubt that, also. However, if they did and I was aviation E-6 at one time, I would have openly called BS and dared anyone to threaten me. There are a lot more honorable military than people give credit.
The thing that bothers me the most is Biden identifying the team that killed Usama. That is what has led to various conspiracies and possibly the Taliban looking for an opportunity. I'm telling you now, SEAL's have way too much honor and cojones to be involved in a cover-up.
As for the Chinook going down:
I don't understand why it didn't have back up to rescue those Rangers - think gunships.
Also, I've always been surprised that some commander put so many elite on one single CH-47. I hope that officer saw his career go down in flames. But then, you just never know in your best field tactics.
I believe it was all just the horror of war. Most times our guys kick ass; other times they get their asses kicked. You need only look at Walter Reed hospital with all the hundreds/thousands of surviving Troops with body parts missing. Unfortunately, we don't win every engagement with all the insurgents and IED's and infiltration my the enemy.
And that's pretty much why I say f*ck Aftganiscrap and the entire region. There is no appeasing these Koranimals. Their own religion tells them to lie and infiltrate against their own allys.
What's our recourse, other than State Department BS?
I say pull out and let them self-destruct as now in Syria and Egypt. Anyone who develops an Islamic atomic bomb, blow them back to their beloved 7th century. That includes every last man, woman, and child.
Yes, I said children. If you've ever watched how the Muslims raise their children in various documentaries, I'd rather see them die than grow up kill our innocent Western children. I hate so-called palestinians, Hamas, Hizbollah, and of Iran's proxies and their killing culture. Kill them all, NOW, before it's too late.
Last thought: This is not a war of religion like the ancient Crusades. This is against a political theology that only has domination as the end result, much like ever other forms of tyranny this rock has seen. Kill them completely and stop letting them into our Country.
Make me king of the world for one day, and I would nuke Mecca and Medina. Then I would send bunker busters down the Iranian holes.
I don't trust a one of them. Mushroom clouds would be growing all over the Middle East, Indonesia, Malaysia, Africa, etc, and the the world could get on with its life. The few remaining Islamists would crawl back into their holes where they belong.
But no, Iran and others are going to get nuclear weapons and if not launch, definitely hold Western civilization hostage as they infiltrate with more immigration and building their Mosques.
The next big war won't be between China or Russia and the US/NATO. I've got about 20 years left and my prediction is that starting with Russia (think Chechnya) will finally decide to eliminate these Muslim shits. China is not far behind with their infiltration. The Philippines have their problems and building their military to combat the Koranimals. Most of the Euro-weenies are lost.
A firefight ongoing for over three hours...All the seals on one helicoptor (against policy)...7 Afghanistanis on the flight...They were replaced with 7 other Afghanistanis at the last minute without a change in the flight manifest...No one knows who or what they were...
Seals were put into a military transport helicoptor instead of the special-ops helicoptors that they train with and use...
No drone or air support to clear the landing area...No ‘eye in the sky’ tracking or support and no air defenses...
Dropping into a ‘hot’ firefight at night with zero support in a rickety helicoptor made for transport, not battle...Suicidal...And this is just some of the information on the video...
Appears as tho they were sent in to die...
Give me facts. I've been needing a cause of late and supporting our SEALS and the other Elites on that Chinook would put me out front - not that I'm anybody.
As for now, I don't see it was other than a lucky RPG or MANPAD shoot down by the Taliban/al Queda.
Still, why so many elite on one Chinook? I also don't have the exact reason why they were going to the aid of the Rangers and what their situation was. Which if that simple, good for them, but still seems like a bad command decision with so many elite on ONE helo without other air support. But then, the fog of war. Guess I need to go back and read up.
That's curious, yes. However, I've never read that nor seen anyone stipulate such. Maybe it's in the video.
"Seals were put into a military transport helicoptor instead of the special-ops helicoptors that they train with and use..."
First, SEALS and other Spec Operators train on all sorts of aircraft. There life consists of training and jumping out of all types of aircraft and it never stops. There are NO end days for SEAL/Ranger/Delta/Air Force ground combat training. The same as our own Coast Guard trains every day to rescue people from boating accidents.
Being ex-Gator Navy back in 70's early 80's, I don't understand your difference between "transport" and "spec-ops" helos. There were 17 SEALS and some Army Spec-Ops, at least one Navy combat corpsman, and the crew of 4 if I remember correctly in that Chinook. What's a "spec-ops helo"?
In my time the Chinook was THE ship to shore transport for a small platoon of Marines and SpecOps. So what has changed? A different letter on the CH-47? I dealt with them on the flight deck day and night. Please explain the difference, keeping in mind the carrying capacity of a CH-47 Chinook.
A larger CH-43 Sea Stallion (full platoon capacity - plus additional equipment), a Black Hawk that's good for a combat squad, a Huey that is even smaller for maybe 4 plus crew, and then the Cobra that doesn't carry troops and neither does the Apache, both being support aircraft. I could have this all wrong as far as troop numbers, but think it's close. It's been many years since I launched and recovered.
Are you suggesting that the SpecOps should have been transported in 3 or 4 of UH-60 Black Hawks? That would make some sense if they had them available. But then you deal with assets available at the time.
Battle 101: Don't group up. If there were other helos available for the mission and the operational commander didn't utilize them, then he has a lot on his shoulders. If not, you use the assets you have available. And that one Chinook may have been all that was available to rescue the Rangers. If you want to go further, bring this up in Congressional hearings, not that it would do much good.
Again, the fog of war IMHO. Sometimes our guys just die. It's still happening all the time in Aftganiscrap. What made this an issue is that SO many elite died in one shootdown who were in the same SEAL unit that took down bin Laden. Again, I think the bastards just got lucky. But hey, what do I know? There could have been some insurgent Aftgani or Paki intell to the goat humpers in the pass.
Whatever the reason, we lost a lot of highly trained American warriors in one shoot. That sucks, but having spent some time with SEALS at Coronado, they would be okay dying to save the Rangers.
You answered your own question.
That party was against all the rules of a planned mission.
It was a set-up. Will there ever be incontrovertible proof?
Hell no.
Just as the Benghazi hearing are spewing out incontrovertible proof and Democrats are still spinning it.
I don't have a clue...
I was just parroting what was said by those in the video...
I don't believe it. I think it was just a bad operation. Shit happens in war.
Benghazi, well, that was avoidable and now has turned into a cover-up.
There are people who run from threats and their people who run towards threats. Our SEAL's did just that and got screwed by our politicians. No matter how the MSM or Hillary spins it, they will be remembered by us true Patriots.
Oh know, did I just put myself on a FBI list by saying that word - Patriots? Too bad, here's more PATRIOT TO THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION! Come get me for being a PATRIOT to my Oath. I've gotten to old to care about such. They can take everything, put me in jail, and it won't be anything new to me. Plus, I'm too ugly and old to get laid in prison...haha! I sincerely just don't give a crap. I'm waiting for Revolutionary War II.
not my video
not this one :)
wish I was there, I know a few of the audience
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I just listened to the whole thing while washing dishes so I didn’t take notes but will say what I can remember, so you can get a basic gist. i didn’t hear some stuff because my laptop has bad speakers.
This was an area of known high concentration of terrorists who had been known to want to shoot down US aircraft. The Afghanistani military had to be informed of all of the specifics of any operation, in advance.
There had been a 3 1/2 hour firefight before these people were called in. It was said that there was a high-value target and they had to get him right then and there. At the last minute the 7 Saudis who had been assigned to the mission were changed out by some unspecified person; the manifest was not changed and in fact the military notified the original 7 AFghans’ families that they had been killed and only told them later, when the bodies were identified, that it was somebody else who had been killed. The investigation after the event did not identify who switched out these people; the Afghanistani military was not questioned by the investigation at all.
The US military had within the month before this event averaged over 800 special op events/month. There were 60 aircraft but at any point in time 20 were for combat operations, 20 were being maintained, and 20 were being used for training. So there were 20 available aircraft at an average of close to 30 operations/day.
They were sent out into a battle that had been raging for 3.5 hours in a transport plane that had last been updated in the mid-1980’s. They had no firepower and nobody to clear the way for them. The Chinook itself was not on radar and it took 10 minutes after the shoot-down to even figure out what helo had gone down. (With no “eye in the sky”, there is no footage from which to assess what had happened. They also claim to have not found the “black box”, which is actually orange and if I’m not mistaken has GPS so it can be found. They never “found” it, so there were no provisions made from the outset to allow for objective sources of information about what happened, and what they should have been able to find they didn’t.)
The report that the families were given said that the Chinook was shot down by shooters on the top of a building - who were supposedly there at 2am to “lay down crops”. I have no idea what that means but it sounds like a bunch of hooey. The reason for not sending in a drone and/or shooting down where the fire was coming from was because we need to “win the hearts and minds” of the people in this area of concentrated terrorists. But one of the dads had a letter from a Congress-critter who said he had been in a high-level meeting to talk about the causes and the real reason was that they didn’t know where the fire was coming from. That was the point at which that dad knew he was being lied to - because the stories changed.
Just a comment here. In the middle of a 3.5-hour firefight, with known, concentrated levels of terrorists including a high-value target - is there any better time to blow the whole place up with a drone attack? Obama is losing us a lot of allies because of his indiscriminate use of drone strikes but how could you get a more-justified situation for using a drone attack? Why instead send in 25 of the very best human resources you’ve got? I would REALLY like to know how many drone strikes Obama had authorized before this mission. IIRC, there were already concerns around then about Obama having a porn-like fascination with drone strikes and watching them over and over. I’d like to see some stats on the prevalance of drone strikes over Obama’s years.
The day before Biden disclosed that it was Team 6 who carried out the Bin Laden raid, top military (and Obama regime people too, IIRC) had met and said that not only Team 6 members but also their families needed to have extra protection because somebody in the Taliban might somehow suspect who was involved and target the families. It was stated how critical it was to keep the identities anonymous. And then the next day Joe Biden told the whole world. And yet a whole group of these guys were sent out with no protection, no documenting radar, with 7 anonymous Afghanistanis substituted at the last moment, in a mission custom-built for a drone attack.
After the attack the bodies were cremated - supposedly because they were burned so badly that they had to be identified by DNA and dental records. But the dad of one of the cremated victims had asked to see the autopsy and had been given the photos of the body - intact, no need to be cremated.
At the service at Bagram Air Base an imam was allowed to chant a standard chant saying that the enemies of Allah would be defeated and go to hell and that Islam has won. Families of the fallen are ALWAYS given a copy of the service but none of these families were given a copy. The mom who brought forward this video (which was a 10-minute redaction from a several-hour video that the military had provided, not showing the imam who had done this gloating curse over the dead bodies) said she was not comfortable sharing how she was eventually able to get this video in February this year (about 2 years after the fact).
I would have liked a chance to talk to the dad who sounded like he had a Boston accent. He made some comments I didn’t fully understand, and I think he knows a lot more detail about the specifics that don’t add up. It was also said that just before the press conference other families made contact with the dad who sort of headed up this effort, and one of those dads said he found out details that made him sick to his stomach.
Something else. It was pitch-black. 2am. It wasn’t stated what kind of weapon hit the Chinook - whether it was a Manpad, a heat-seeking missile, RPG, etc. But the hit was deadly accurate in the pitch dark in the middle of the night.
I would like to know if there was any kind of tracking device on the 7 Afghanistanis who were substituted at the last minute.
The cover-up indicates a complicit military leadership. One of the moms said that she was appalled when a 4-star Admiral (Krogan? I couldn’t understand the name when it was given) told them stuff that was simply not true and nearly assaulted her when she mentioned the cover-up regarding Pat Tillman. The changing stories, the negligent investigation that didn’t question the Afghanistanis and didn’t “find” the black box, the ceremony with the imam that was hidden from the families (against routine), the cremations when they weren’t needed and lying about them being needed, the failure to even have radar tracking the movements of a transport vehicle carrying 25 of our best assets.... all this stuff says this was more than just a SNAFU. These protocols ALL had to be disabled in order for this whole thing to go down like it did.
It’s actually stunning, the parallels between this and Benghazi, on all three levels: advance preparations, during the event, and the coverup afterwards.
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