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Alleged Auschwitz Death Camp Guard Arrested (93 Years Old)
ABC News ^ | May 6, 2013 | DAVID RISING

Posted on 05/07/2013 12:31:49 PM PDT by nickcarraway

A 93-year-old man who was deported from the U.S. for lying about his Nazi past was arrested by German authorities Monday on allegations he served as an Auschwitz death camp guard, Stuttgart prosecutors said.

Hans Lipschis was taken into custody after authorities concluded there was "compelling evidence" he was involved in crimes at Auschwitz while there from 1941 to 1945, prosecutor Claudia Krauth said.

Lipschis has acknowledged being assigned to an SS guard unit at Auschwitz but maintains he only served as a cook and was not involved in any war crimes.

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1 posted on 05/07/2013 12:31:49 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Head meet vice.


2 posted on 05/07/2013 12:32:46 PM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: nickcarraway

Just a cook? Is that what he calls it? Glad there is no statute limitations on murder.


3 posted on 05/07/2013 12:34:14 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: nickcarraway

He should claim to be a Muslim. The authorities will let him go and apologize.


4 posted on 05/07/2013 12:34:21 PM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Democrats: Robbing Peter to buy Paul's vote.)
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To: Cowboy Bob

Gay Muslim and he walks with a pension.


5 posted on 05/07/2013 12:35:02 PM PDT by AppyPappy (You never see a massacre at a gun show.)
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To: nickcarraway

It happened a long time ago!

6 posted on 05/07/2013 12:39:35 PM PDT by TigersEye (If babies had guns they wouldn't be aborted)
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To: mnehring


How would you like your eggs this morning?

7 posted on 05/07/2013 12:43:51 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: TigersEye

Am I missing something? Don’t we have people in office that break the law every day? The law applies to us not to them.
When reason fails....


8 posted on 05/07/2013 12:48:30 PM PDT by glyptol
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To: nickcarraway

Some cook - he never wondered about the lack of repeat customers???


9 posted on 05/07/2013 12:48:46 PM PDT by headsonpikes (Mass murder and cannibalism are the twin sacraments of socialism - "Who-whom?"-Lenin)
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To: mnehring

Interesting how the Nazis always staffed these camps with 13,000 cooks and no guards.


10 posted on 05/07/2013 12:52:40 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: nickcarraway

Liberal dogma holds that the purpose of imprisonment is to rehabilitate the criminal.

Demjanjuk and this guy apparently led more or less blameless lives for decades after their WWII service. So it is not unreasonable to assume they had rehabilitated themselves.

The only group of criminals in the world that the left doesn’t feel compassion for are Nazis, so we go through the farce of trying lower and lower level and older and older “Nazi criminals.”

I suspect this is similar in motivation to the multiple hoax hate crimes we see. If your worldview is based on thinking or yourself as facing off bravely against evil, then you have to find some evil to face off against. Even if you have to invent it, or it’s a 93 year old ex-cook.

Meanwhile, with possible exception of some Khmer Rouge, none of the commies guilty of murdering at least 8x as many innocents as the Nazis are being put on trial.


11 posted on 05/07/2013 12:52:49 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: nickcarraway

Without further details the article says little, for example:

Auschwitz concentration camp was a *network* of concentration and extermination camps built and operated by the Third Reich in Polish areas annexed by Nazi Germany. It consisted of Auschwitz I (the Stammlager or base camp); Auschwitz II–Birkenau (the Vernichtungslager or extermination camp); Auschwitz III–Monowitz, also known as Buna–Monowitz (a labor camp); and 45 satellite camps.

Here is a map of the three Auschwitz main camps. The total area of the main combined central camps (not the satellite camps) is about 15 square miles.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Auschwitz_1944.jpg/694px-Auschwitz_1944.jpg

There were over 7,000 General SS who served there over the 5 years they were in operation.

The camp commander of Auschwitz, as well as the senior camp officers and non-commissioned officers, were all members of the SS-Totenkopfverbande, or the SS-TV.

Administrative and supply SS personnel were assigned mostly to the camp headquarters at the Auschwitz I camp. Such personnel, many of whom were Waffen-SS members but not members of the SS-TV camp service, were usually “out of the way” of the more horrific activities of the camp.


12 posted on 05/07/2013 12:53:20 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: nickcarraway

OK.....

So, if this guy was a guard in a death camp - and they can prove it - what are they going to do to him?

Put him in a maximum-security nursing home?

Nazi hunters.... give it a rest already.


13 posted on 05/07/2013 12:54:41 PM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: Cowboy Bob

Yes, and Auschwitz death camps were a long time ago.

But seriously, at 93, what are they going to do to him now?


14 posted on 05/07/2013 12:56:02 PM PDT by NEMDF
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To: clee1

Hanging his ass is too good for him if he is guilty.


15 posted on 05/07/2013 12:56:10 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: nickcarraway

How many guards from Stalin’s death camps have been tried? Zero.


16 posted on 05/07/2013 12:56:57 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: mnehring; JRandomFreeper
Just a cook? Is that what he calls it?

Yep. "All I did was run the ovens..."

17 posted on 05/07/2013 12:57:07 PM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of oppression and Democrats use them. Gun confiscation enables tyranny.)
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To: nickcarraway

Wish these people would put as much research into the Obastard administration as they put into this.


18 posted on 05/07/2013 1:04:02 PM PDT by crz
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To: ozzymandus

How many jap’s that had Americans in their or vietnam were ever tried?


19 posted on 05/07/2013 1:04:44 PM PDT by edcoil (If the man was accused of leadership, there would not be enough evidence to convict him.)
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To: mnehring

I agree with you 100%. If guilty, help him up the steps and let him hang.
For all those who think we should just leave him and others like him alone; how many others didn’t get a chance to live another 65 years because of his actions?


20 posted on 05/07/2013 1:06:03 PM PDT by rustyboots
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To: edcoil

Around 5,000 Japanese were convicted of war crimes after WW2.


21 posted on 05/07/2013 1:12:06 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: ozzymandus

I agree, there are a lot of people who should have been punished, and weren’t. But that’s hardly an excuse not to punish this person. (If he is, in fact, guilty)


22 posted on 05/07/2013 1:16:02 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: mnehring

I agree, and I have NO tolerance for Nazis, Commies, or dictators and their goons.

WWII ended 68 years ago. They are gonna have one hell of a time convicting him, and then what?

He’s 93; likely won’t live to see the end of the court wrangling.

I’ll say it again: give it a rest, already.


23 posted on 05/07/2013 1:17:23 PM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: nickcarraway

Just this last Saturday I visited Buchenwald in Germany. It was a very moving experience. You could feel what happened there. We must never forget and I don’t care how long it has been or what these people may have done between then and now to “redeem” themselves: they must be punished. An example must be made of them. What they did was unforgivable.


24 posted on 05/07/2013 1:18:21 PM PDT by SW6906 (6 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, horsepower, guns and ammunition.)
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To: NEMDF

” But seriously, at 93, what are they going to do to him now?”

Take his dentures?


25 posted on 05/07/2013 1:23:31 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: nickcarraway
“compelling evidence”

What? Eye witness testimony???? Even the chief hunters of the Nazi's , the Israeli Supreme Court let Demjanjuk go based on the value of “eyewitness” testimony and the probability that the Soviet's played hi-jinks with identity cards.

I went to my 30 year high school reunion a couple of years ago and you know what? After telling my most fond remembrances of my high school career, I had 2-3 guys tell me I was mistaken about details of stories and even in fact of some of the people that were supposedly involved. I was later proved wrong. Just about as often as my classmates were wrong when relating their most beloved memories.

“Memory is deceptive because it is colorized by today's events” Authored by Albert Einstein but nobody seems to remember exactly when or if.

26 posted on 05/07/2013 1:26:20 PM PDT by Cyman
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To: Sherman Logan

Well, the reason is the Nazis lost their war.

The Chinese Commies and Soviets are really very much in power.


27 posted on 05/07/2013 1:27:47 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Sherman Logan

Maybe they led exemplary lives because there was no huge Nazi Party to join. Or maybe they were mainly concerned with saving their own putrid lives. I can’t believe you are calling Nazi hunting a farce.

And for those who are saying “give it a rest,” Never Again.


28 posted on 05/07/2013 1:28:08 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: clee1
"Nazi hunters.... give it a rest already."

Dude, I'm not Jewish and I don't really have a dog in this hunt, but really: go to Germany or Poland and look at the facilities, look at the ovens, look at the blood-stained carts for corpses, look at the hundreds of pictures. Walk the earth where this happened and feel the souls.

Then tell me to give it a rest.

29 posted on 05/07/2013 1:28:51 PM PDT by SW6906 (6 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, horsepower, guns and ammunition.)
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To: NEMDF

“But seriously, at 93, what are they going to do to him now?”

How about whatever he did to 93 year olds back in his day?


30 posted on 05/07/2013 1:29:13 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: nickcarraway

“Hans Lipschis”

If his Lipshis, my arse whistles!


31 posted on 05/07/2013 1:30:46 PM PDT by Batman11 (Obama is not American.. he has no clue what it is to be American.)
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To: Jewbacca

Boom!


32 posted on 05/07/2013 1:31:03 PM PDT by SW6906 (6 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, horsepower, guns and ammunition.)
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To: Cyman

Yea, there would have to be compelling evidence of something he specifically did or he would have to have been in pretty high leadership, imho. Just being there is not enough.

Trying to convict every hoodwinked foot soldier just because is not a precedent to set, else everyone who has served in the US is at risk if the wrong sorts come to power.


33 posted on 05/07/2013 1:35:13 PM PDT by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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Dude, I'm not Jewish and I don't really have a dog in this hunt,

You don't have a dog in this hunt?? You must be joking. Your page says you live in Seattle, are you a U.S. citizen? Because more than 400k U.S. citizens lost their like in World War II, and more than 670k wounded. You may want to parse out casualties from the Pacific, but I say B.S. to that. Besides which, Nazi Germany stood for everything your alleged country is against. I could go on, but why bother. Also, I don't know anything else about you, but I bet if I did, I could tell you many other reasons, "you DO have a dog in this hunt." If you really believe, "you don't have a dog in this hunt," then maybe you should renounce your U.S. citizenship and move to Switzerland. A neutral American. Pfft.

34 posted on 05/07/2013 1:38:43 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway
WTF?!!?

I was just deflecting the "you're Jewish (I'm not), so you're hypersensitive about the Holocaust" argument. Of course I have a "dog in the hunt" from the perspective of America vs. the Nazis in WWII!! Relax, Francis, I'm on your side!

35 posted on 05/07/2013 1:43:42 PM PDT by SW6906 (6 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, horsepower, guns and ammunition.)
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To: nickcarraway; Revolting cat!

Clearly Truman lost WWII since we are still engaged in catching the perps.

Or does only such logic apply to Bush?


36 posted on 05/07/2013 1:46:58 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: Cowboy Bob

Maybe he was there to provide abortion services. Safe, legal, rare, you know the kind.


37 posted on 05/07/2013 1:47:44 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: nickcarraway

As background, the Waffen-SS were front line troops. Some of those divisions were conscripts (examples like Prince Eugen, 15th SS Grenadier (1st Latvian)). If you were Germanic in countries outside of Germany, many were conscripted into these SS divisions. Those divisions served on the front lines the entire war. If you were unlucky enough to be wounded, you frequently were sent to be camp guards while you either recuperated prior to rejoining your unit or never recuperated but could still serve.

So your choice was to die to avoid being conscripted or serve, and if you survived combat on the losing side and were wounded, you could choose to die instead of being a camp guard - these guards were generally used outside the camp on the perimeter. Pretty hard choices for a poor 21 year old farm hand from romania, lativa, etc.

Humans have a very strong survival instinct and many can and do things, that sitting in our homes in comfort seem easy to say no to.

Not saying what this guy did was ok, not saying he should be forgiven, but folks here should at least understand the situation. None of us know what we would do in such situations if we have never faced them - and I for one, have fortunately, not yet, faced such things in my life. If I ever do, I hope I measure up.


38 posted on 05/07/2013 1:48:34 PM PDT by rigelkentaurus
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” But seriously, at 93, what are they going to do to him now?”

Introduce him to his new roommate...


39 posted on 05/07/2013 1:51:30 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: rigelkentaurus

Was this guy wounded at the front lines?


40 posted on 05/07/2013 1:53:27 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: a fool in paradise

I’ll take a lethal injection, please....


41 posted on 05/07/2013 1:54:56 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: rigelkentaurus

One thing that struck me as I viewed the museum at Buchenwald was that the typical age of the guard at the camp was ~19. The Nazis purposely recruited young men from lower class groups into the SS guard ranks. Easy to warp their minds.


42 posted on 05/07/2013 1:55:26 PM PDT by SW6906 (6 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, horsepower, guns and ammunition.)
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To: clee1

And then hopefully he will suffer for a few years before he dies.

If you actually knew what you were talking about, you would know Nazis have been hunted and convicted since WW2, right up and including the last few years.

You think because someone has evaded justice for decades that they should be let off?

The conviction rate is high for Nazis, the evidence has been extremely well documented over the years....


43 posted on 05/07/2013 2:02:43 PM PDT by UKrepublican
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To: nickcarraway

This guy was 21 and a nobody camp cook in 1941. I’m not sure this theory that “anyone who was there in any capacity is culpable” hasn’t descended to the level of witch hunt.


44 posted on 05/07/2013 2:09:35 PM PDT by Valpal1
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So long ago: hard to ascertain the truth so many years after the fact. If he really was just a cook, this is merely a vendetta and he should be let go. Members of the Jewish police and Jewish Kapos are never prosecuted, even though their forced collaboration led to many Jewish deaths. I don't think this guy was even German, rather a conscript from one of the conquered nations.
45 posted on 05/07/2013 2:09:47 PM PDT by Godwin1
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To: nickcarraway
Adolf's culinary Schule: cookin' wit' gas!

Rezept:
  Maske anziehen
  entleer Zyklon B ins Abflußrohr
  zurück stehen
  so schnell möglich weglaufen
  Maske aufziehen; tief, langsam atmen

(Recipe:
  don mask
  empty Zyklon B into drain
  stand back
  run away fast
  take off mask; breathe deeply, slowly)

HF

46 posted on 05/07/2013 2:13:46 PM PDT by holden (Alter or abolish it yet?)
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To: Sherman Logan

“The only group of criminals in the world that the left doesn’t feel compassion for are Nazis, so we go through the farce of trying lower and lower level and older and older “Nazi criminals.””

Indeed. Soon, they’ll all be gone though, and then just watch the Simon Wiesenthal wannabes start trying to go after people in Israel or the Bush admin for “war crimes”. They certainly aren’t going to fold up shop once the last Nazi is dead, any more than the civil rights movement ended when segregation did.


47 posted on 05/07/2013 2:17:49 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: nickcarraway

A camp cook? For the prisoners? That didn’t take much time out of his day.


48 posted on 05/07/2013 2:22:24 PM PDT by mom.mom
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To: DonaldC
Yea, there would have to be compelling evidence of something he specifically did or he would have to have been in pretty high leadership, imho. Just being there is not enough. Trying to convict every hoodwinked foot soldier just because is not a precedent to set, else everyone who has served in the US is at risk if the wrong sorts come to power.

An important point. At this time, I doubt if anybody who was actually in a decision-making capacity in the camps is still alive. All we have left are people who were young conscripts at the time.

Soon even they will have passed on, and the Nazi hunters will have to find new jobs.

49 posted on 05/07/2013 2:22:47 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: firebrand

Let me spell it out for you veerrry slowly.

Nazi hunting is a farce when they track down 93 year old men, who may or may not have been cooks, but were almost certainly not movers and shakers or policy makers.

And especially when policymakers and actual killers and torturers for an ideology that killed many times more innocents have nobody at all hunting them, or seeing a need to.

Perhaps a mathematical analogy will help.

Group A killed X people, so group A is bad and everyone who was ever connected with group A must be tracked down and punished in a show trial.

Group B killed at least X*8-12 people, but we’ll just ignore its members. In fact, it continues to be a respectable ideology.

Now does that make any sense?


50 posted on 05/07/2013 2:27:11 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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