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How Do You Get Conservatives to Buy Energy Efficient Products?
The Atlantic Cities ^ | 4/30/2013 | Tim McDonnell

Posted on 05/05/2013 4:57:10 AM PDT by raybbr

Back in 2011, Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) declared war on energy-efficient light bulbs, calling "sustainability" the gateway into a dystopic, Big Brother-patrolled liberal hellscape. When the lights went off during Beyoncé’s halftime set at the last Superbowl, conservative commentators from the Drudge Report to Michelle Malkin pointed blame (erroneously) at new power-saving measures at New Orleans’ Superdome. And one recent study found that giving Republican households feedback on their power use actually encourages them to use more energy.

Why do conservatives, who should have a natural inclination toward conservation, have a beef with energy efficiency? It could be tied to the political polarization of the climate change debate.

A study out in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences examined attitudes about energy efficiency in liberals and conservatives, and found that promoting energy-efficient products and services on the basis of their environmental benefits actually turned conservatives off from picking them. The researchers first quizzed participants on how much they value various benefits of energy efficiency, including reducing carbon emissions, reducing foreign oil dependence, and reducing how much consumers pay for energy; cutting emissions appealed to conservatives the least.

The study then presented participants with a real-world choice: With a fixed amount of money in their wallet, respondents had to "buy" either an old-school light bulb or an efficient compact florescent bulb, the same kind Bachmann railed against. Both bulbs were labeled with basic hard data on their energy use, but without a translation of that into climate pros and cons. When the bulbs cost the same, and even when the CFL cost more, conservatives and liberals were equally likely to buy the efficient bulb. But slap a message on the CFL’s packaging that says "Protect the Environment," and "we saw a significant drop-off in more politically moderates and conservatives choosing that option," said study author Dena Gromet, a researcher at the University of Pennsylvania’s Wharton School of Business.

The chart below, from the report, shows how much liberals and conservatives value each argument for efficiency: While liberals (gray) valued all three equally, conservatives (white), were significantly less moved by and most at odds with liberals over the carbon-saving argument.

Courtesy Gromet

Courtesy Gromet

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Ran across this during a foray into other things. The comments are interesting.

Here's mine:

"The reason, she thinks, is that given the political polarization of the climate change debate, environmental activism is so frowned upon by those the right that they’ll do anything to keep themselves distanced from it."

Absolutely wrong. The reason is that most conservatives have researched the "green" label and found, in most cases, it is used as a) a sales gimmick b) as a sales gimmick based on erroneous data c) a sales gimmick rooted in the cause of "saving the earth" which has proven to be pure hyperbole d) a sales gimmick that when, in depth analysis is done, most often results in the discovery that the "green" item actually utilizes more energy in its production than the item it's replacing.

None of the above are mutually exclusive and any combination of the above may be true.

I do not automatically believe anything is "green" until I research it. The progressive/liberal is mentally roped to labels and therefore does not bother to find out the truth and blindly follows the label's path to their own self-aggrandizement as a "saver of the earth".

1 posted on 05/05/2013 4:57:10 AM PDT by raybbr
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To: raybbr

As a conservative I’m always looking for ways to conserve or save but I also want products that work and can be bought at a reasonable price.


2 posted on 05/05/2013 4:59:24 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: raybbr

The real reason they are pushing the public to “energy efficient” (lower wattage, harsher lighting) bulbs is to shift that power usage to recharging electric toy cars.

And the new televisions use more power than the old ones.


3 posted on 05/05/2013 5:02:29 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: raybbr

How Do You Get Conservatives to Buy Energy Efficient Products?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Make them cheap and effective.

Right now all energy efficient products are bascially fetishes. They look cool, signify high status among liberals, and do not really do the job because they sacrifice performance, reliability and quality. They are also too expensive.

However when the economy fails due to these fetishes, we conservatives will be riding horses while liberals are left in the dirt pulsing their electric cars into rust.


4 posted on 05/05/2013 5:02:58 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: raybbr

My problem with the “Green Products” is that the marketplace DEMAND has been removed from the equation. Rump pumping faggots have more rights than citizens who just want light bulbs and toilets and showerheads that work.

THOSE things have been outlawed by “bedroom”, “bathroom”, “kitchen”, “living room” police without outrage from liberals who are content to engage in abnormal sexual activities in daylight at pride parades or darkened bedrooms.


5 posted on 05/05/2013 5:05:06 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: Candor7
Make them better than the products they are replacing and more useful.
If you can't do that, then don't make them at all.
6 posted on 05/05/2013 5:06:15 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: raybbr

I gave up on the CFL bulbs because they didnt last as long as advertised and the reported negative health effects. I am systematically replacing my incandescents with LED lights though because they do offer real savings over the long term, they last for years and the price is coming down. I won’t buy a hybrid car for the same reasons I won’t buy CFLs. I will buy a diesel though.

As someone said above, I’m not married to the Green meme. I do my own research.


7 posted on 05/05/2013 5:08:03 AM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: Candor7
Why should a Conservative be

gotten

to do or buy

anything ???

You GET

your kids to clean up their room, to the meeting on time, a chance, promoted, etc.,

But to GET a Conservative to BUY ...

How do you fight an idea?
With another idea"

(GREAT line from "Ben Hur")

8 posted on 05/05/2013 5:09:33 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: raybbr
Why do conservatives [...] have a beef with energy efficiency?

False premise.

You totally misunderstand (purposefully?) what's going on.

I have absolutely no problem with conservation.

I DO have a problem with the forced, false conservation that is FORCED upon us.

9 posted on 05/05/2013 5:10:22 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Candor7
"Make them cheap and effective."

There you go again. You are supposed to go with your feelings and not common sense, which, unfortunately, isn't all that common.

10 posted on 05/05/2013 5:13:41 AM PDT by HangThemHigh (Entropy's not what it used to be.)
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To: raybbr

...or...”How do you get Conservatives to buy BS?” (Same question I think).


11 posted on 05/05/2013 5:14:03 AM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag ( EVERY DIME Obama Spends is given to him by the Republicans in the House.)
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To: cripplecreek
As a conservative I’m always looking for ways to conserve or save but I also want products that work and can be bought at a reasonable price.

Yes, when I see a new item I will often try it out.

But when I see "Green" on anything I automatically assume it is a low quality piece of junk they want to charge me a premium price for.

So it stays on the shelf.

Is everything labeled that way a low quality piece of junk? Probably not, but that is how they have presented themselves.

12 posted on 05/05/2013 5:14:27 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Join AAAA : Americans Against Acronym Abuse)
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To: raybbr

Superb analysis.

What you said.


13 posted on 05/05/2013 5:17:09 AM PDT by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: raybbr
The researchers first quizzed participants on how much they value various benefits of energy efficiency, including reducing carbon emissions, reducing foreign oil dependence

Reducing foreign oil is a huge canard. We don't use foreign oil to provide electricity and there is a natural gas glut and a predicted long-term huge supply of it.

Our biggest use for oil is in transportation. The only thing that will reduce foreign oil is more drilling and production here.

14 posted on 05/05/2013 5:17:32 AM PDT by umgud (2A can't survive dem majorities)
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To: raybbr

Perhaps the conservatives simply recognize BS better than the leftist sheeple.


15 posted on 05/05/2013 5:19:34 AM PDT by meyer (When people fear the government, you have Tyranny)
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To: raybbr
Why that may be true when analyzed, I avoid anything labeled “green” or “carbon-free” just because I can't stand the hypocrisy and the liberal focus. In that regard the article is true--I will buy something else if it's available on that label alone.

I also refer to the Honda Prius as the Smug-mobile.

16 posted on 05/05/2013 5:23:55 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: cripplecreek

Absolutely! This cannot be a scientific study! Without seeing the samples and how they were scored...this is BS! I also try to save every way I can. There just happen to be some things that are necessary...as in driving a van when you have a large family (especially large in comparison the the lefties NO children). I’m certain they did not evaluate the celebrities households. They are 99% leftie and they preach conservation to the rest of us while they fly off in their private jets, host megawatt galas, etc. Another tool used here to fuel anti-right hatred!


17 posted on 05/05/2013 5:24:00 AM PDT by Shery (in APO Land)
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To: cripplecreek

Absolutely! This cannot be a scientific study! Without seeing the samples and how they were scored...this is BS! I also try to save every way I can. There just happen to be some things that are necessary...as in driving a van when you have a large family (especially large in comparison the the lefties NO children). I’m certain they did not evaluate the celebrities households. They are 99% leftie and they preach conservation to the rest of us while they fly off in their private jets, host megawatt galas, etc. Another tool used here to fuel anti-right hatred!


18 posted on 05/05/2013 5:24:51 AM PDT by Shery (in APO Land)
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To: raybbr

Conservatives aren’t anti-conservation. We are anti-Green(tm). Green(tm) is a marketing movement designed to teach Americans to lower their standard of living. Green(tm) rarely does what it advertises, but we are told to do it anyway because its gooooood.

Its all sizzle, but no steak. Its all hat and no cattle. We like steak and cattle. Leftists tell us that we should demand more sizzle and hat.

I use CFLs in most of my house. But some light fixtures just need a white hot burning tungsten filament, like the lights over the bathroom mirror.

I drive a car that gets 23 mpg, which isn’t great by Green(tm) standards, but when you factor in its 306 hp, that’s pretty darned good!

I replaced my A/C unit last year with a new high-efficiency unit just to save money and energy.

I would put a solar array on my house, if I could afford it. I’d have a windmill if I lived in windmill country and, again, could afford it.

But, half of my salary goes to pay taxes so missing links to sit on their ass all day and collect welfare or warm the chairs in government offices, so my Green(tm) options are limited.

I guess that’s the real difference. When a Conservative wants to conserve, he pays for the equipment to do it and uses it wisely. When a Leftist wants to conserve, she demands that I pay for it, and doesn’t care if it works at all, as long as it makes her feel good.


19 posted on 05/05/2013 5:26:12 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: raybbr

The company I work for has several products which are “green.” They are sold in states where the products that actually work are outlawed. Sales are near $0.00 in places where the green products are not required. People buy them because htey have to not because they want to.


20 posted on 05/05/2013 5:27:38 AM PDT by cyclotic (In a society of wolves, you do not fight back by creating more sheep-Dan Bongino)
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To: raybbr

The only “green” things I use right now are those stupid curly light bulbs. I hate the light they give out, but they are saving me money and they do last a very long time. In fact, the only bulb I’ve had to replace was dead right out of the box. The first one I screwed in nearly 5 years ago is still working.

But the light they give out bugs the tar out of me.


21 posted on 05/05/2013 5:27:49 AM PDT by savedbygrace (But God.)
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To: a fool in paradise

NUKE THE WHALES!!!!


22 posted on 05/05/2013 5:28:27 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: raybbr

I was in a Target store yesterday and decided I needed some light bulbs. Walking down the aisle, I discovered my only choices were $30 CFL bulbs made by GE or $45 LED bulbs made by GE. I make a good living but I decided I couldn’t afford to change my bulbs and certainly wasn’t going to give GE any business. It’s sickening to me that changing a burnt out bulb has devolved into a major investment. I honestly don’t know how people with lower incomes are surviving today.


23 posted on 05/05/2013 5:29:43 AM PDT by gore_sux (Irony?: AlGore gets rich off of Middle Eastern petro dollars)
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To: raybbr

I don’t trust liars, which most conservatives consider a reasonable position, so we have a logical reaction to products advertised as “green”. If the manufacturer needs to resort to a tenuous connection between my choice of light bulb and a polar bear drowning, they may also be overstating other aspects of the green choice. If I can see straightforward data that show the CFL or LED bulb will save me money, or trouble (that LED bulb at 20’ that I’ll probably never replace again is well worth it!), then I’m all for it. If they need to make things up, “buy this bulb or half of Bangladesh will drown”, then I need to check their claims even more carefully, if I consider their product at all.


24 posted on 05/05/2013 5:33:22 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: raybbr

Anyone with a brain can figure out that it’s better to use less energy. We throw less crap in the air that we breath and the price of energy won’t go up if we don’t have to build that next power plant.

I think conservatives balk because conserving energy has a small benefit for the individual. The benefit is collective. The mindset to do something for the collective (give up a freedom for the common good) is repulsive to me, but it is central to the thought process of the progressive (to the extent that they think).

Most “conservative/liberal” arguments boil down to whether you believe in freedom for the individual or you want to make decisions for the collective good.


25 posted on 05/05/2013 5:33:32 AM PDT by MV=PY (The Magic Question: Who's paying for it)
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To: raybbr

Because a lot of the efficient products SUCK! And out of the ones that aren’t terrible outright, many don’t cover the full range of uses the product they “replace” did, like the light bulbs.

I don’t mind the extra second or two of warm up in exchange for much less heat, but I’m in GA so that’s a valuable plus to me. Someone who wants it to keep a well house from freezing or warm chicks would find the product I’m delighted with to be completely unsuitable, even tho they both put out light.

Both of the things I mentioned are actual points Freepers have made, btw. Not everyone wants a light bulb purely for light, and not everyone views a cooler bulb as a wonderful improvement!


26 posted on 05/05/2013 5:33:40 AM PDT by Fire_on_High (RIP City of Heroes and Paragon Studios, victim of the Obamaconomy.)
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To: Izzy Dunne
When it comes to fluorescent lights about 90% of American lighting has been provided with them since they were trundled out in the early 1950s.

That's because almost all of our lighting requirements are at work in offices and factories, or in schools. Home lighting is a small fraction of the total ~ about 5%.

Then, there's private home water usage, the Algore by himself used a year's supply just for a single picture.

I do not trust people who want to mess with home lighting or toilet flushing!

Congress should be forced to stick to their own business ~

27 posted on 05/05/2013 5:34:30 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: cripplecreek
and can be bought at a reasonable price.

Correct-o-mundo!

The conservative knows that it's the entire life cycle that counts, and energy used in manufacture drives a lot of the price of everything. If something is cheap, then not a lot of energy went into the making of it.

28 posted on 05/05/2013 5:35:13 AM PDT by slowhandluke (It's hard to be cynical enough in this age.)
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To: raybbr
Yes, and one more thing, we hate having thie cr*p shoved down our throats. Well, two more things. we hate the lies and cr*p served up with a sense of moral superiority that is wholely unearned.

I for one, avoid doing business with companies that push this cr*p, because if they lie about this, what else are they lying about and two, if they think I'm stupid enough to buy their products, not on the basis of usefulness, quality and price, but on "green" propaganda, I don't do business with companies that insult me. Also, they must think their products can't compete, except for "green" cr*p. The other guy's products are probably better.

29 posted on 05/05/2013 5:35:30 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (.Are they stupid, malicious or evil?)
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To: raybbr
I get "green" products when they save me money or time. I use CFL bulbs in a few places, particularly in places that are a real pain to change, like high on the ceiling. CFLs also use less energy and produce less heat. Don't use them everywhere but do use them in some places. But I like to be able to choose CFLs or LEDs or incandescent. It should be my decision, since I pay the electric bill.

I did get a Nest thermostat a few months ago, in an effort to not use so much heating oil to heat my house. It's a nice device, and seems to do a good job, but I installed in late Feb so unsure if it's really saved much yet. But on vacation, you can turn the heat down, and turn it back up when you're an hour away from home, so that's got to be worth something.

30 posted on 05/05/2013 5:36:32 AM PDT by Koblenz (The Dem Platform, condensed: 1. Tax and Spend. 2. Cut and Run. 3. Man on Man)
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To: cripplecreek
"As a conservative I’m always looking for ways to conserve or save but I also want products that work and can be bought at a reasonable price."

Bingo. Sums up my feelings exactly. And throw in a little 'I don't like being forced to be told what to buy', while you're at it.

A year ago, I installed two new light fixtures in my kitchen. Each uses six 13-watt CFL bulbs. These are wonderful, we're told, because they'll outlast incandescent bulbs by YEARS!

They began to burn out at 4 months. ALL TWELVE OF THEM EXPIRED BEFORE THE FIRST YEAR! In the store where I purchased the fixtures --- LOWES --- replacements cost 6 to 8 bucks EACH, because they have a 'special' base, unlike the common screw-in base. (Hmmmmm.. think 'screw' is the operative word...)

Oh, now I'm told that CFL bulbs shouldn't be turned on and off frequently. Shortens their life cycle. Swell, so we're encouraged to 'conserve energy' by leaving the lights on longer, instead of turning them off when not needed.

31 posted on 05/05/2013 5:36:48 AM PDT by DJ Frisat ((optional, printed after my name on post))
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To: raybbr

I tried working with green suppliers for work and they were all goofs. It was like they were from Venus and resistant to any competitive urges whatsoever. And they’re all out of business now.


32 posted on 05/05/2013 5:37:17 AM PDT by Thebaddog (Obama won again? Dang.)
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To: Alas Babylon!
I also refer to the Honda Prius as the Smug-mobile.


33 posted on 05/05/2013 5:37:43 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: raybbr

The answer to the author’s question is simple: “Make a rational argument.”

But a better question is: “How do you get progressive leftists to BUY A FREAKING CLUE?”


34 posted on 05/05/2013 5:39:24 AM PDT by Maceman
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To: gore_sux
I honestly don’t know how people with lower incomes are surviving today.

You get more money on welfare than you do if you're a sucker, who works.

35 posted on 05/05/2013 5:41:50 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (.Are they stupid, malicious or evil?)
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To: UCANSEE2

We have 75MPH highways again in Texas. Pious drivers won’t go that fast on the highway (even if the cars may be capable of it). How do they handle at high speeds? Vibrate and rattle? Are they susceptible to wind shear? Too scary to contemplate crashing in one at high speeds?


36 posted on 05/05/2013 5:42:37 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: Maceman

Even better....”Make a product that ppl want.”! Offer some personal benefit that appeals enough for a person to decide “I want this, not that.” when they’re in the store looking to purchase.

If a product doesn’t have any pluses that make at least a segment of the population look at it and realize that it fits their needs or wants, it need to die.


37 posted on 05/05/2013 5:44:29 AM PDT by Fire_on_High (RIP City of Heroes and Paragon Studios, victim of the Obamaconomy.)
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To: slowhandluke

I had 2 lights burn out above my bathroom sink this last week. The bulbs each lasted over 15 years.

But no, that makes too much sense to stay with what works.


38 posted on 05/05/2013 5:44:50 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: raybbr

How Do You Get Conservatives to Buy Energy Efficient Products?

Show us a 3-5 year simple payback. This isn’t that hard, and conservatives buy on logic not emotions.

In a previous life, I did energy studies for commercial and institutional buildings. Lighting energy was an important aspect of this, and I know how to run the numbers. I’m a master at figuring out all the screwy stuff electrical utilities do, to make their commercial rates difficult to understand. Figuring payback on a residential rate is a piece of cake.

Back to the issue at hand: I have a number of lights that run very, very few hours a year. As a for-instance, I have a crawl space that gets used for some overflow storage that has four porcelain base screw in fixtures with 100W A19 lamps (regular light bulbs). They *might* be on 10 hours a year. 20 if I have a project that requires stringing wire or running pipe across the crawl space. There is no way a compact fluorescent light bulb pays back in this scenario, let alone an LED light bulb. But yet, all-knowing government has told me I must have the CFL or better, no more 100W A-lamps for you!

Needless to say, I have a good stockpile of them down there.


39 posted on 05/05/2013 5:46:34 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: raybbr

Conservatives know that it is cheaper to buy the gas to keep your old car going than spend 35K on some dopey excuse for a golf cart


40 posted on 05/05/2013 5:46:55 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Fire_on_High
”Make a product that ppl want.”! Offer some personal benefit that appeals enough for a person to decide “I want this, not that.” when they’re in the store looking to purchase.

Do YOU want to kill the planet because YOU eat meat and use "old technology" light bulbs? Do YOU want to fund foreign extremism and ruin the environment because YOU insist on driving a "fossil" fuel vehicle instead of riding sensible public transportation or bicycling???

The pravda media is putting their thumb on the scales to help the public to decide which to choose.

41 posted on 05/05/2013 5:47:30 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: raybbr

It is not by coincidence that the same people who are easily suckered into buying the latest fad “green” product are the same people who helped put Obama in the White House.


42 posted on 05/05/2013 5:50:50 AM PDT by Iron Munro
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To: raybbr
We installed fluorescent bulbs throughout abt 2yrs ago
when they stated making the soft white - did not like
the ‘cool white’ .

Installed a digital thermostat last year. Together,
these have cut our power bill by %30 . Another factor
was our change of lifestyle when the youngest moved
away for college. Led to less lights on. We think a
lot more too about shutting off any light not in use
where applicable.

My %30 is a guess it could be more.... some things i cannot calculate because i dont follow it much are our gas rates.. they may have dropped some.

43 posted on 05/05/2013 5:52:37 AM PDT by urtax$@work (The only kind of memorial is a Burning memorial !)
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To: a fool in paradise

Doing a long commute on an interstate, I see Priuses doing 80+ mph when conditions are right. Out here on the prairie, they also can’t keep up when the wind is against them.

The Pious isn’t a horrible car. No driveabilty problems, aerodynamic shape; certainly stable enough for most situations. Wouldn’t want one for long interstate cruises or metro freeway driving though.


44 posted on 05/05/2013 5:53:07 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: raybbr
How Do You Get Conservatives to Buy Energy Efficient Products?

When it no longer carries a "premium" to be green, conservatives will buy energy efficient products. We don't do things 'for the sake of planet Gaia' when we know the science behind it is crap.

45 posted on 05/05/2013 5:53:09 AM PDT by Yo-Yo
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To: raybbr

I put LED lights in my office. They are so hot I can’t touch them. I am guessing they are 12 volt and have to be transformed from 120 volt to 12. They must measure the energy consumption AFTER the transformer!


46 posted on 05/05/2013 5:53:43 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple
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To: cripplecreek

I’m with you - make it good and make it less expensive. I won’t drive $2 gas out to use a 25 cent coupon and won’t spend $300 extra on “efficient” devices to save $150 over the next few years.


47 posted on 05/05/2013 5:54:06 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Yosemitest

Many times, the “efficient” products are pieces of crap that cause more problems than they solve. A good example is CFL lighting. I bought some to put in places where changing bulbs is difficult. They cost 6x what filament bulbs would cost (and aren’t sold anymore). They lasted 6 months to a year...

Dishwashers with modern detergents sold in retail stores aren’t even worth buying or using.

On the other hand, refrigerators are really MUCH more efficient than they once were, and this pays off. The new washers and driers are much better than their predecessors. They are also 4x more expensive.


48 posted on 05/05/2013 5:54:23 AM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is v?ery late in the day.")
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To: raybbr
How Do You Get Conservatives to Buy Energy Efficient Products?

The very essence of conservatism is "Conservation", a minimalist, least intrusive philosophy resulting in the greatest amount of personal freedom and liberty for a society.

So in truth, the left view that seems to lead into the conclusion that conservatives don't want a clean, efficient energy source is farcical and perverse.

The truth is we want a reliable, functional, serviceable clean energy source that meets the needs that originally motivated the purchase of said product. A "fad" simply isn't enough to compel the thinking consumer to engage themselves in a societal movement, there must be viable, tangible benefits resulting from the use of these products.

To date, that has not been overwhelmingly evident. In fact, it's been the opposite. One primary example are the "efficient flow toilets"...a product designed to conserve water. However almost a generation of feedback has shown that in truth, they must be flushed twice for the same performance, therefore actually increasing consumption and associated costs, not reducing them.

Anyone have the newer "efficient" dishwashers and clothes washers? Anyone who has one, do you miss your old one? That's what I hear mostly. Sure, they sound like a whisper of rain when they clean dishes or they sing to you and play Waltzes when your clothes are done, but results? Highly rated, energy efficient, yet it doesn't really perform as well as the old unit. You know what? I want the performance and I am going to pay for performance. If my household uses more energy as a result? Well, only NAZIS are going to complain about it. I'll put their name on a list for later reference.

There's a world of products hailed as "efficient" that in the end, produce similar results. After so many years and so many failures, such marketing has the very same appeal as the typical carpet bagger-fly by night sales gimmick.

"Honey did you remember to plug in the Volt?"

And yes, there are some decent products out there. They are doing quite well in sales and there are more and more people compelled to pay the premium price to get a hold of said products.

However for the most part, for every truly remarkable "efficient" product out there, there is an ocean of fraud and false claims.

This movement has been going on nearly a generation now and so far, we have the Toyota Prius that stands out as a winner, but I am hard pressed to name anything else that stands out as a marketing success on it's own merit and does not rely on slew of pathetic endorsements by government and Hollywood "royalty".

So keep trying, if we run into a truly great product that yields the benefits promised, the free market will reward the producer. Until then, the left can shove their piety right up their keister.

49 posted on 05/05/2013 5:56:25 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: raybbr
When they're the best value for money, of course !


             


For anyone wanting 100w output, 'Rough Service Bulbs' are what to look for.

Part of my calculation of 'best value for money' is the extent to which a given purchase pisses on econazi corn flakes .. ymmv

50 posted on 05/05/2013 5:56:28 AM PDT by tomkat
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