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John Maynard Keynes had it all wrong because he was gay and childless says Harvard professor
dailymail.co.uk ^ | May 4, 2013

Posted on 05/04/2013 7:07:00 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

A Harvard professor took to the podium at a finance conference Friday and called major influencer of modern economics John Maynard Keynes wrong about his philosophies because he was gay and childless.

During a question and answer session in Carlsbad, California, well-known historian Niall Ferguson was asked how he felt about the theories of English economist John Maynard Keynes versus those of Edmund Burke.

What the prominent Obama critic said in response hushed the crowd of over 500.

According to Tom Kostigen, editor-at-large of Financial Advisor magazine, Ferguson made it clear that he believed Keynes was uninterested in the what was good for society, basically because of his sexual orientation.

‘Ferguson asked the audience how many children Keynes had,’ wrote Kostigen in Financial Advisor. ‘He explained that Keynes had none because he was a homosexual and was married to a ballerina, with whom he likely talked of "poetry" rather than procreated.’

Kostigen said many of the audience members took offense at the remark, but that Ferguson continued.

‘Ferguson, author of The Great Degeneration: How Institutions Decay and Economies Die,' wrote Kostigen, ‘says it's only logical that Keynes would take this selfish worldview because he was an "effete" member of society.’

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1 posted on 05/04/2013 7:07:00 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

He must be some kind of token at Harvard, with tenure, too.


2 posted on 05/04/2013 7:11:22 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Niall, here is a website that may be helpful to you.
3 posted on 05/04/2013 7:12:07 PM PDT by Michael.SF. (Obama lied, Stevens died, now Obam covers up the lies.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Heteros are better at economics because of sexual orientation?


4 posted on 05/04/2013 7:12:37 PM PDT by sakic
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I think that he was wrong because he was wrong. The gay thing is just icing on the cake.


5 posted on 05/04/2013 7:12:38 PM PDT by fhayek
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Strange he apologized so quickly, rather erratic behavior— drinking too much?


6 posted on 05/04/2013 7:13:30 PM PDT by gusopol3
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To: Toddsterpatriot; Mase; expat_panama; 1010RD

Just great.


7 posted on 05/04/2013 7:14:08 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: sakic
Heteros are better at economics because of sexual orientation?

People with children have a greater stake in the future than people who live for the moment and don't procreate.

I know that I moved heaven and earth for my kids, and still do for my grandkids. That requires rational analysis of the real world.

/johnny

8 posted on 05/04/2013 7:15:41 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

As wrong as Keynes may have been...that is a silly explanation for it.


9 posted on 05/04/2013 7:15:50 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: JRandomFreeper

It’s an argument that needs to be made in the homosexual marriage debate, without the fireworks. But any attempt at rationally presenting the argument is shouted down as “homophobic.”


10 posted on 05/04/2013 7:18:18 PM PDT by gusopol3
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To: Tailgunner Joe

People must understand one proven truth. Homos put everything they think, say, do, believe, whatever through the prism of their homosexuality. Everything.


11 posted on 05/04/2013 7:19:50 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Not a new theory about Keynes. The fact is, gays live for the moment and let tomorrow be damned.


12 posted on 05/04/2013 7:20:20 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Moslems reserve the right to detonate anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: gusopol3

Shout back, Refuse to shut up.


13 posted on 05/04/2013 7:20:43 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Tailgunner Joe; Old Sarge; NorthernCrunchyCon; UMCRevMom@aol.com; Finatic; fellowpatriot; ...
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14 posted on 05/04/2013 7:20:46 PM PDT by narses
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To: BenLurkin

Actually it is a correct assessment. A person with no skin in the game has no motivation to promote a positive outcome.


15 posted on 05/04/2013 7:21:44 PM PDT by Deathtomarxists (yellow black or white hillary's pantsuits stink by night!!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Keynes was also known for one of his research projects, to find out the number of boars that were required to “satisfy” a female pig in heat.

May have been one of his most successful researches, actually.....

:)


16 posted on 05/04/2013 7:23:23 PM PDT by faithhopecharity (()
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To: gusopol3
I've been called worse.

Today.

/johnny

17 posted on 05/04/2013 7:23:40 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Norm Lenhart
People must understand one proven truth. Homos put everything they think, say, do, believe, whatever through the prism of their homosexuality. Everything.

They must be told, "Don't let your opinions become facts."

18 posted on 05/04/2013 7:25:12 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Quite true.


19 posted on 05/04/2013 7:27:18 PM PDT by heye2monn
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To: gusopol3

he married a muzzie from somalia


20 posted on 05/04/2013 7:27:43 PM PDT by Psiman (PS I am not a crackpot)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Professor Hans Herman Hoppe got in serious trouble with the guardians of political correctness at University of Nevada for suggesting that JMK’s theory might have had something to do with him being a homosexual. He ultimately won his battle with the University though.


21 posted on 05/04/2013 7:27:44 PM PDT by SeeSharp
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Well, I won’t deny that homosexuals usually have only what’s worse for society on their minds.


22 posted on 05/04/2013 7:28:44 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Well, yes. This was obvious to me way back in the 1950s, when I was in college.

As the article says, Keynes’s best-known quote is: “In the long run we are all dead.” This was in response to the question, What will your economic policy do in the long run? Isn’t it very dangerous? Well, Keynes responded, “In the long run, we are all dead.”

Meaning, it doesn’t matter if the economy turns into a gigantic bubble down the line, and there is massive future hyperinflation, since we won’t be around to suffer the consequences anyway. So, who cares?

Obviously, that is the attitude of someone who doesn’t ever intend to have children, and could care less what happens to the next generation, after he is dead.

I.e., a homosexual.


23 posted on 05/04/2013 7:29:04 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Tailgunner Joe; All

And I am betting this author agrees with Keynes on globalism, free trade, the Int’l Monetary Fund....as Keynes was the implementor of the modern version of these things born at the Breton Woods conference. Would that make the author gay, diverse, or unsure of his sexuality?


24 posted on 05/04/2013 7:29:06 PM PDT by SeminoleCounty (GOP - Greenlighting Obama's Programs)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Never apologize, Niall.


25 posted on 05/04/2013 7:30:13 PM PDT by Third Person (Welcome to Gaymerica.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Wasn't Keynes one of the Bloomsbury Set?

A whole bunch of them were gay and many of those that weren't were sexually deviant in other ways.

26 posted on 05/04/2013 7:31:36 PM PDT by what's up
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To: fhayek

I agree. Someone should have asked Ferguson whether being rich and famous like him makes a person not care about the plight of poor unemployed people. Because an awful lot of liberals have kids and gays or otherwise childless I have known can be religious and conservative.


27 posted on 05/04/2013 7:34:03 PM PDT by erlayman
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Accent pillows? EVERYONE knows what THOSE are...!!!

(face reddens with sudden giggling)

28 posted on 05/04/2013 7:40:48 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: Tailgunner Joe

He’d have done better to mention that single heterosexual people have this problem too. At least the ones I know do. They couldn’t care less about what the debt & deficits are going to do to future generations. As long as they get theirs, to them it’s all good.


29 posted on 05/04/2013 7:43:08 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: JRandomFreeper

Well said!


30 posted on 05/04/2013 7:47:23 PM PDT by BwanaNdege ("To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"- Voltaire)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Yes, but don’t plan on them listening. Homos are masters of circular reasoning as are all leftists. When nothing exists outside that prism, your comment is obviously the result of homophobia and society’s determination to discount the opinion of the 45% of the population that is Homosexual.

See what I did there? You see the same circular reasoning every day with the MSM.


31 posted on 05/04/2013 7:47:48 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Tailgunner Joe

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Maynard_Keynes#Allegations_of_racism
Keynes was a proponent of eugenics. He served as Director of the British Eugenics Society from 1937 to 1944. As late as 1946, shortly before his death, Keynes declared eugenics to be “the most important, significant and, I would add, genuine branch of sociology which exists.”[136]


32 posted on 05/04/2013 7:50:55 PM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

While not a fan of JMK, I feel obligated to point out to the folks in government that they should have finished his book. Yes, his policy calls for the government to stimulate the economy by issuing debt to get the velocity of money moving.

However, that part they forgot to read was when revenues started coming in, you are supposed to pay down the debt so that you had the ability to be stimulative again, when the cycle changed.

Seems like part I is fun. Part II is not. So our government just blew it off.


33 posted on 05/04/2013 7:53:07 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (Does anybody really know what time it is? Does anybody really care?)
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To: Deathtomarxists
A person with no skin in the game

*quiet giggling*

34 posted on 05/04/2013 7:59:38 PM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: Fantasywriter

Single heterosexual people selfish and liberal? That is a gross and incorrect generalization.


35 posted on 05/04/2013 8:01:23 PM PDT by SisterK (you catch 'em, He'll clean 'em)
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To: Vermont Lt

Part 2 never happens because Part 1 never works. If it did, then Obama’s stimulus should have worked. It didn’t.


36 posted on 05/04/2013 8:02:25 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
E. Michael Jones was writing 25 years ago that Keynes launched "homosexual economics". I thought at the time "Wha...?" but since then, I have seen that it makes sense. If you have no future generation to think of, if you have no stake in the future of society even to the extent of one more generation, is all you're playing for is Gratification Now, yeah, keep borrowing, keep spending, get the govt. to keep priming the pump.

Who the hell cares if in the long run it all goes crash? "In the long run, we're all dead." -- J.M. Keynes. Homosexual economics.

37 posted on 05/04/2013 8:08:12 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("He will come on that Day to judge the living and the dead, and the earth by fire.")
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To: Norm Lenhart
People must understand one proven truth. Homos put everything they think, say, do, believe, whatever through the prism of their homosexuality. Everything.

People don't understand because people operate under the illusion that all people are basically good. They don't grasp what original sin means.

38 posted on 05/04/2013 8:11:33 PM PDT by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Keynes was against large structural deficits because he believed they chilled rather than stimulated the economy.
Does that mean Obama is more gay or childless, just liberal or whatever ?


39 posted on 05/04/2013 8:11:47 PM PDT by erlayman
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To: BenLurkin

Men are more than brains attached to bodies. The argument can be made against clergymen who are no less monk than bachelor.


40 posted on 05/04/2013 8:12:06 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: Vermont Lt
While not a fan of JMK, I feel obligated to point out to the folks in government that they should have finished his book. Yes, his policy calls for the government to stimulate the economy by issuing debt to get the velocity of money moving.

However, that part they forgot to read was when revenues started coming in, you are supposed to pay down the debt so that you had the ability to be stimulative again, when the cycle changed.

Seems like part I is fun. Part II is not. So our government just blew it off.

That's very true. I too will not defend JMK, but most people get him wrong on that score. His deficit spending in recession proposition assumed also that in years of economic boom... Surpluses would be "banked" for the next recession. Something modern Keynesians have utterly ignored.

41 posted on 05/04/2013 8:12:45 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

It’s a fairly safe bet that someone who doesn’t have kids couldn’t care less what their country will look like after they’re dead. It simply means nothing.

And that’s goes a VERY LONG WAY in explaining the suicidal policies of Europe and the US when it comes to immigration. Basically the people making the decisions (generally) don’t have kids (for whatever reason) and thus they spend money like there’s no tomorrow - because for them, there really isn’t, once they’re gone.

Having kids should almost be a requirement for high political office.


42 posted on 05/04/2013 8:13:27 PM PDT by BobL (Look up "CSCOPE" if you want to see something really scary)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Well said. The homosexual is profoundly pessimistic because he has nothing invested in the future. Do they ever start foundations? I wonder.


43 posted on 05/04/2013 8:15:58 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: donna

That and they flatly refuse to believe that the abortion supporting, gay marriage backing gun control and immigration freak next door or in their family is really ‘a bad person’.

They are.


44 posted on 05/04/2013 8:16:23 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: neverdem; Nachum; narses; MHGinTN; SunkenCiv; BobL; xsmommy; secret garden; tioga; SoothingDave

There is something to be said for a “royal family” attitude: “ If my country does poorly, my family is held responsible, perhaps even killed or imprisoned by rebellion. If my family does well for my country and its future, my country will honor my children.”


45 posted on 05/04/2013 8:21:15 PM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: SisterK

Don’t put words in my mouth. I said the single heterosexual people I know don’t care At All about the debt & deficit or the impact of both on future generations. That is a true statement. If you object, your issue is with these people, not with me.


46 posted on 05/04/2013 8:22:39 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: Ramius

We’re all still waiting for the economic boom from Obama’s “stimulus.” What, did Obama not spend enough?


47 posted on 05/04/2013 8:23:19 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Ferguson is way too smart to draw such simplistic conclusions. That’s why he apologized-—he embarrased himself/ He is probably increasingly frustrated by the fact that this cipher Obama is still President and all his policies seem to refer back to Keynes in some way in the quest for some philosophical cache. You can’t blame him.
He’s got a point, but there is no real causality, even though I myself have noticed the extreme predictability of people with no children and their worldview. There’s a dimension missing, definitely.


48 posted on 05/04/2013 8:32:14 PM PDT by supremedoctrine
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To: JRandomFreeper
People with children have a greater stake in the future than people who live for the moment and don't procreate. I know that I moved heaven and earth for my kids, and still do for my grandkids. That requires rational analysis of the real world.

Agree 100% Having children changed my whole worldview. I was just telling my neighbor a shark story that happened a few years ago. I was at the beach with my kids and a group of friends and their kids. One of the moms in our group jumped up and ran toward the shore. I followed and saw a huge black shape moving slowly along the shore line about 25 ft out and stopping in front of the kids. The kids were about 35 feet out bobbing up and down in a group. We could not make out what the shape was so I whistled to the kids to stay put so they would not swim toward it. In that moment I prepared myself that if it was a shark I was going in. I am scared to death of sharks but there was no way my child or any other child would be the bait. By that time all the mothers were at the shore line and I think we would have had to fight over who was going to fight the shark LOL!! Turns out it was a huge manatee cruising down the shore but it illustrates what parents would do for their kids.

49 posted on 05/04/2013 8:38:09 PM PDT by happyhomemaker (Rejoice in hope, be patient in tribulation, be constant in prayer. Rom 12:12)
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To: Cicero

A homosexual plays no part in CREATING the next generation, so like I said in a post on this thread, their worldview should be expected to be, uhhhh, “incomplete” at best.
That is just the way it is, and that’s why it’s more surprising to find homosexuals among Conservatives than among the “apres moi le deluge” Liberal types.


50 posted on 05/04/2013 8:38:40 PM PDT by supremedoctrine
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