Posted on 05/02/2013 1:30:00 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda
Sorry for posting this, but I love the minds that are on Freep and would be very curious to see what some of the answers would be. I am far from being a physicist, but I do know the saying "Energy cannot be created nor destroyed". If this is so, then wouldn't it mean that energy is infinite? And if so, wouldn't this be proof of God? And 2nd, wouldn't it mean that there is no such thing as death or "real death"? Because if this energy is infinite, then eventually it will form into you again?
LMAO!!! No, I ain’t in that state...yet.
Neither matter nor energy can be created or destroyed. They can only change form.
Now, scientists have pretty well determined that matter is just compressed energy, and quantum theory teaches us that there is nothing in existence but energy and information. (The information is what forms the energy into its myriad forms.)
The implication is that matter is simply compressed consciousness. (”Consciousness is the ground of all being.” — Dr. Amit Goswami)
And that Consciousness that is the essential Thing that forms all that is, is God.
Empty the oceans, its a simpler task.
To me that means that matter and energy are eternal. They have always existed and they always will. Something that can’t be created or destroyed can’t have a beginning or an ending.
Yes, and that Infinite Energy is the Thing we call God.
And if so, wouldn't this be proof of God?
Proof? AS in deductive, syllogistic, And 2nd, wouldn't it mean that there ilogical proof? There isn't any. Would it tend to "prove God inductively? Absolutely.
That there is no such thing as death or "real death"?
If God is infinite and eternal and we are made in the image and likeness of God, wouldn't we be infinite and eternal?
Perhaps not in this particular form, though. Remember, although energy and matter cannot be created or destroyed, they can change form.
Because if this energy is infinite, then eventually it will form into you again?
Very unlikely. It would re-form into something new. Your body is buried, you fertilize the Earth, and the flowers that grow use the same energy-as-matter that was once "you."
Best explanation yet! Thanks!
CC
I tend to think of it this way ...
First and most important proof of God is Scripture.
Then comes the existence of the conscience and the moral sense
Then our innate hunger for completeness (where there is hunger, isn’t there food?)
Then the things for which science.does not have an adequate explanation ... ie the various manifestations of eternity ... Infinite time, infinite space, infinite divisibility, etc
Lastly, historical and archeological evidence
The best argument I can offer an atheist is the existence of love, as well as faith and hope.
I know the counterargument. It is that these attributes of faith, hope and love have arrived because they have aided man to become civilized.
Even granting that, when I hear music, read poetry and see art created by someone who is attempting to express love it affects something deep within me. My soul yearns for love like no other earthly desire be it food, shelter and even air to breath.
I do not see any arguments that can convince the mind that is unwilling to see, hear or taste God’s love for us. I only see ways our hearts are touched by the affects of God’s love in our lives.
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1 Corinthians 12 For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.
Energy can be transferred it cannot be created or destroyed.
“as your life energy changes state to inert matter and eventually worm food.”
In some versions of the beliefs about a soul, your statement applies only to your “physical” life, your phsyical body and not your “essence”, your soul - the life force from G-d that animated the physical life-body.
And, still, there are various beliefs about the state of the soul immediately after death.
“I thought that mass has energy only in a different state, like it’s potential energy waiting to be released.”
Yes, you’re right.
E equals M times Csquared
and
M equals E divided by Csquared
“I think that we can convert many things, and we can change many things, and we can assemble many things...but creation belongs uniquely to God.”
Yes. Phsyics can neither prove G-d or disprove G-d.
G-d is NOT the universe. G-d is the creator of the universe.
Energy and mass are conserved. Why? Because the Good Lord designed it that way in this particular closed system known as the Universe. Is this proof that God did that? No. Faith doesn’t require proof and proof will not convince the faithless.
The notion that particles “pop in and out existence” all the time might also be a proof of a God who supplies the dynamics that keep CREATION”S existence in fact constantly existent!
Particles that pop in and out of existence would in fact point to an entire reality that our sciences can’t at this point even touch or begin to grasp.
“When I study the science, I accept that the universe we know began with a big bang a long time ago. And I accept that life has evolved according to laws and rules and events we have scant knowledge of today. But when I see the night sky, or the relentless ocean, or the magic sprouting of an acorn, or the love of a mother for her son or daughter, or I hear the beautiful music of a great composer, I know there can only be one reason. God.”
The most honests scientists in many branches but particularly in physics, also admit the following concerning what we have observed from what we have learned through science - each advance across a hurdle in our understanding provides new knowledge BUT also opens a window that demonstrates there is even more that we don’t know than we believed was the case before we crossed that hurdle.
The universe - what it’s made of and how it all operates - appears to be an infinite “onion” where each layer we peel back only exposes deeper layers than we knew existed. Some project, as I do, that that is a state of knowledge humanity will always be in - a state where as physical beings we will never understand the totality of the universe; the “end of all knowledge” will always elude us.
What the physcists see, what they admit they see - beyond all the seeming “chaos” in the creaion and destruction of stars, star systems, galaxies and the like - is an infinite order at work in the universe, and many believe that only “an intelligence” could have created that order.
For those of us that believe in G-d we did not need to see the order that scientists see in order to believe in G-d.
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If it is mass before or after the conversion, do you still consider it energy?
If it is mass before or after the conversion, do you still consider it energy?
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