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Tamerlan Tsarnaev bought three pounds of black powder from N.H. fireworks store
NY Daily News ^ | 4/24/13 | Chelsia Rose Marcius In Seabrook, N.h. AND Bill Hutchinson / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS

Posted on 04/24/2013 6:05:29 AM PDT by jimbo123

Boston Marathon bomber purchased fireworks from same company as Times Square bomber Faisal Shazad.

(Excerpt) Read more at nydailynews.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: New Hampshire
KEYWORDS: islam; muslims; rop; tsarnaev
In a chilling twist, the company that sold Tamerlan the fireworks is the same one that sold Times Square bomber Faisal Shahzad the firecrackers he used to build his failed car bomb.
1 posted on 04/24/2013 6:05:29 AM PDT by jimbo123
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To: jimbo123

Well maybe these idiots should profile for the sake of American citizens.


2 posted on 04/24/2013 6:07:44 AM PDT by angcat
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To: angcat

Muslims suck.


3 posted on 04/24/2013 6:09:11 AM PDT by jimbo123
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To: jimbo123

What a BS lie...firewirks stores DONT SELL BLACK POWDER....wtf?

Bait and switch headline...


5 posted on 04/24/2013 6:11:22 AM PDT by Crim (Palin / West '12)
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To: jimbo123

and the FBI didn’t act against Tsarnaev because....?


6 posted on 04/24/2013 6:12:42 AM PDT by montag813
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To: jimbo123

I didn’t know fireworks stores sold bulk black powder. Is that true?


7 posted on 04/24/2013 6:13:19 AM PDT by Renegade
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To: Crim

Apparently they disassembled a large firework display kit to get the powder. Regardless, where are CNN, ABC, CBS, FOX et al on this? Reading their WH talking points no doubt.


8 posted on 04/24/2013 6:13:41 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: jimbo123

Where’s the FBI or Big Sis? Oh yeah, they are keeping a lookout for Tea Party or Christian extremists.


9 posted on 04/24/2013 6:14:35 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike ("Governing a great natiorn is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu)
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To: jimbo123

How did these two ever keep from blowing themselves up? Oh never mind, one of them did!


10 posted on 04/24/2013 6:14:48 AM PDT by Aquamarine
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To: Renegade

No,
He purchased fireworks:

http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/2013/04/23/older-bombing-suspect-purchased-fireworks-fireworks-store/1XkVkPaumyROa2kIpwWlCK/story.html


11 posted on 04/24/2013 6:16:11 AM PDT by outpostinmass2
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To: jimbo123

According to this other thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3011716/posts

with link to local NH newspaper he bought large legal(in NH)class A fireworks.

He did not buy black powder.


12 posted on 04/24/2013 6:18:23 AM PDT by woodbutcher1963
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To: jimbo123

Well it is obvious to be that MAssachusetts should BAN THE POSSESSION AND USE OF ALL FIREWORKS!!!!! oh wait.............


13 posted on 04/24/2013 6:18:31 AM PDT by commish (The takers rule. Time to implement the triple G plan - GOD, GUNS, & GOLD)
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To: Crim
Phantom Fireworks in Seabrook confirmed that Tamerlan Tsarnaev obtained nearly $4,000 worth of mortars at the store in February.

That's a rather large purchase for someone on public assistance, eh?

14 posted on 04/24/2013 6:18:31 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( ==> sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: smokingfrog

He probably used his EBT card.


15 posted on 04/24/2013 6:20:58 AM PDT by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: jimbo123
Ban Fireworks and the 4th of July!!
16 posted on 04/24/2013 6:29:19 AM PDT by PROCON (Never underestimate the power of low information voters in large numbers.)
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To: smokingfrog

So he spent $4,000 to buy fireworks? As Rush said, where did these guys get their money? Pricey cars, a trip overseas, etc. And yet, the official government line is that they acted alone.


17 posted on 04/24/2013 6:29:50 AM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (November 4, 2008 and November 6, 2012.....Two days that will live in infamy!)
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To: jimbo123

Yeah, I’ve fireworks and 1 lb. (500 grams) is the maximum limit you can buy in 1 firework in SC. The problem is that unless you get a straight boomer (explosion only, no lightup) the bomb’s going to be way weaker.

I have a good idea what mortar set he bought, too, if it was a Black Cat store.


18 posted on 04/24/2013 6:30:03 AM PDT by struggle
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To: smokingfrog

>>Phantom Fireworks in Seabrook confirmed that Tamerlan Tsarnaev obtained nearly $4,000 worth of mortars at the store in February.

Phantom Fireworks? He got ripped off!


19 posted on 04/24/2013 6:31:11 AM PDT by struggle
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To: jimbo123

When I was young fireworks were legal and available everywhere in July.

From what what I know, firecrackers, cherry bombs, M80s etc. didn’t use gunpowder. They used aluminum powder plus another chemical, the name of which I won’t mention here. But not black powder.


20 posted on 04/24/2013 6:33:33 AM PDT by babygene ( .)
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To: smokingfrog
That's a rather large purchase for someone on public assistance, eh?

It makes you wonder as to the source(s) of his funding.

21 posted on 04/24/2013 6:36:51 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: jimbo123

So, now fireworks = black powder???
Wasn’t there something just in the news the other day about seeking a ban on black powder? Awful convenient...


22 posted on 04/24/2013 6:40:22 AM PDT by LibertyRocks
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To: smokingfrog

Did the MSM publish the name of the store where the first perp purchased the item, thereby creating an advertisement for all terrorist on where they can purchase supplies?


23 posted on 04/24/2013 6:42:27 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then.)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3011623/posts


24 posted on 04/24/2013 6:43:54 AM PDT by outpostinmass2
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To: PROCON

Maine’s GOP TEA party governor, Paul LePage, pushed through legislation in 2011 which OK’d the open sale and possession of fireworks in Maine. Cities and towns can ban them if they want to, and some cities and towns have done just that (unfortunately).

Meanwhile, one company has spent millions of dollars opening fireworks stores throughout Maine.

On a recent trip from one Maine county to another, I noticed two fireworks stores. On my previous trip a month earlier, those two stores were not there, so they’re spreading.

Now we can look forward to the libs (trying) to ban the sale and possession of fireworks nationwide. They’ll blame the actions of the two jihadi brothers (a Boston talk show calls the older brother “speedbump,” and the younger brother “flashbang”). The lefties hate liberty and freedom, the flag and the Fourth of July, so it would be par for the course for these libs to try to ban fireworks.


25 posted on 04/24/2013 6:47:39 AM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (November 4, 2008 and November 6, 2012.....Two days that will live in infamy!)
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To: jimbo123

He bought 200 dollars worth and it was not used in the bombs. about 2 and a half pounds total, which is not much.

The bombs used high speed military grade explosive which was obvious from the damage done as well as the lack of black powder residual on the components found. The amount of smoke was way less than you would expect, the blast fireball should have been yellow, not white (too high a temperature). The removal of limbs was due to a high speed shockwave rather than shrapnel. None of it fits black powder.

Not at all sure what explosive was used. We may never find out which is fine by me. I think the press provides entirely too much information on these types of attacks and they should just shut up.


26 posted on 04/24/2013 6:50:42 AM PDT by buffaloguy
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To: buffaloguy

There was lots of smoke initially, which made think it was gunpowder, not at all a military style explosive. Also one picture showed a large orange fireball, again a sign of a pyrogenic explosive, like gunpowder. If an 81mm antipersonnel mortar round had gone off in that crowded there would have been scores of people killed. Any a cellphone or pocket camera would only have captured a complete blurr.

I’m not a pyrotechnian, and will gladly defer to anyone with better knowledge, but that was my immediate impression.


27 posted on 04/24/2013 7:00:05 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Doing the same thing and expecting different results is called software engineering.)
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To: Gaffer

This was not your usual ‘fireworks display’ set.

This was a MORTAR CANNON. I have used them on several Independence Day Celebrations. The kit contains a plastic based cardboard tube and tennis ball sized ‘rounds’ with a long fuse. You can also buy extra ‘rounds’.

I wondered why these things had an EXTREMELY long fuse, until I lit the first one , stepped back about 10 feet, and watched it launch. I couldn’t hear for several minutes.

It occurs to me that not only may they have used these as the ‘improvised hand grenades’ that they threw at police, but (since they bought $4000 worth), just used the others in the bombs, as they were. No need to tear them open to get the explosive mixture out. Already have fuses. Most of the work is done. Just load them into a pressure cooker surrounded by nails and shotgun pellets. One or two ‘rounds’ would certainly do the job.

Link this to the reports of a nearby town having problems with someone shooting off some kind of ‘fireworks’ in the month prior to the bombing.


28 posted on 04/24/2013 7:02:07 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: buffaloguy

All speculation at this point.

My first guess was TATP but they could have hit multiple fireworks stores and tried to keep their purchases under the radar.

BATF/FBI will eventually issue a statement on what was used. It probably will point to the fireworks as a source even if it was high grade C4.


29 posted on 04/24/2013 7:02:36 AM PDT by NY.SS-Bar9 (Those that vote for a living outnumber those that work for one.)
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To: outpostinmass2

Hmmm. Thank-you for that link.

Boston talk radio guy Howie Carr was wondering if the jihadi brothers had EBT cards.


30 posted on 04/24/2013 7:03:15 AM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (November 4, 2008 and November 6, 2012.....Two days that will live in infamy!)
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To: jimbo123
Fireworks? Bull $hit!
Like the guy from the fireworks company said, there ain't enough powder in $200.00 worth of fireworks to make bombs.

For $200, he could have bought up to 10 pounds of black powder from any retailer that caters to black powder shooters or hunters. For God's sake, for $200, he could have bought 10 pounds of smokeless powder.
Were the bomber brothers and their accomplices that stupid?
Or does the government and their lackeys in the media really think we are that stupid?
Probably the latter.

31 posted on 04/24/2013 7:04:02 AM PDT by Tupelo
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To: Gaffer

CORRECTION:
I meant to say, since they bought $200 worth. Someone else said $4000 worth and I repeated it, even though I had heard elsewhere it was $200.


32 posted on 04/24/2013 7:06:12 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: jimbo123

Great. So now they’ll want to make fireworks illegal. I mean, it had to be the black powder that made them do it right? It couldn’t have been because they were radical Moslem fanatics who wanted to kill Americans, right?


33 posted on 04/24/2013 7:08:22 AM PDT by MtBaldy (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question)
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To: jimbo123

Paging Misha, please use the white courtesy phone at the front desk ...


34 posted on 04/24/2013 7:08:55 AM PDT by CMB_polarization
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
There was lots of smoke initially, which made think it was gunpowder, not at all a military style explosive. Also one picture showed a large orange fireball, again a sign of a pyrogenic explosive, like gunpowder.


35 posted on 04/24/2013 7:12:04 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: NY.SS-Bar9

What about tannerite (sp)? This has been in the news recently here in Indiana. Seems to be pretty potent and readily available here.


36 posted on 04/24/2013 7:19:52 AM PDT by redangus
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To: Tupelo
Like the guy from the fireworks company said, there ain't enough powder in $200.00 worth of fireworks to make bombs.

Well... he and you are completely wrong. Here's why.

Hold a firecracker in the open palm of your hand and fire it off. You will have a very sore hand, but you'll be ok.

NOW, light one and hold it tightly in a closed fist. Let me know how many fingers you have left.

The amount of gunpowder in that firecracker, were it not tightly wound into a compressed roll of paper, wouldn't have enough energy to bother a fly.

Whatever 'explosive' these guys used, It was detonated while contained in a PRESSURE COOKER.

Have you ever fired off one of these MORTAR CANNONS ? I have.

Two or three of these in a pressure cooker with some nails and bb's.....would make one heck of a large explosion.

Just one of them going off (not even the 'display' explosion', merely the 'launch' part) taught me to run VERY FAR and VERY FAST after lighting it.

37 posted on 04/24/2013 7:25:49 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: jimbo123
Muslims suck.

No, they blow - - -

as in blow up.

38 posted on 04/24/2013 7:46:41 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (President Bush took the war on terror to them, and 0 bummer brought it to our soil.)
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To: NY.SS-Bar9

My guess was tatp too. It was a very fast explosive that burns clean. The lack of residue in the recovered components points to a high speed explosive. It was not black powder but something much more powerful.


39 posted on 04/24/2013 8:10:47 AM PDT by buffaloguy
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To: Tupelo

Probably made a powder mix and used the powder from the fireworks like a large primer to touch off the other powder and increase the burn rate making for a more powerful explosion.

A lot of handloaders have accidently created little bombs by mixing two different powders of different burn rates.


40 posted on 04/24/2013 8:48:43 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: IMR 4350

That makes sense.
I suspected the $200 of fireworks was for practice. I did not think about using them for primers.


41 posted on 04/24/2013 9:43:00 AM PDT by Tupelo
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To: montag813

Maybe under F.B.I.`s direction.


42 posted on 04/24/2013 11:50:05 AM PDT by S.O.S121.500 ("Line; meet Sand"...ENFORCE THE BILL OF RIGHTS... It's still the law.)
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