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The controversial moment SWAT teams ordered innocent neighbors out of their houses at GUNPOINT ...
The Daily Mail Online ^ | April 23, 2013 | Daily Mail Reporter

Posted on 04/23/2013 5:46:29 AM PDT by Uncle Chip

A startling home-made video now shows the terrifying moments where Watertown residents were forced out of their homes at gunpoint as SWAT teams performed door-to-door searches as they hunted the second marathon bomber.

While millions of Bostonians waited in their houses on Friday during the city-wide lockdown, the people of Watertown were faced with SWAT officers yelling at them to get out of the buildings immediately.

At the time, the Boston police department and federal agents were barely criticized, but now many are concerned about the dangerous precedent that could lead to more police searches using the rationale of ‘exigent circumstances’ as an excuse.

The video, shot by an unidentified Watertown resident, shows a team of SWAT officers wielding semi-automatic guns bang on his neighbor’s front door and scream for them to get out of the house’.

The residents are whisked away- hands in the air, one by one- to a nearby group of officers as the SWAT team searches the house for the second shooter, 19-year-old Dzhokhar Tsarnaev.

Early reports, made by journalists who were kept out of Watertown by a police barricade, said that the searches were voluntary.

Now, the video published on right-wing conservative news blog InfoWars, asserts that the searches were involuntary, as all residents were forced out of their homes whether they liked it or not.

The six-minute video shows just one search of the suburban town’s homes during the day-long lockdown. While the outside world looked to the media gathered on the perimeter of Watertown, those trapped inside the search area looked outside to scary sights.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: bostonbombing; counterterrorism; housesearches; leo; manhunt; stormfront; tsarnaev; watertown; watertownfamilies
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1 posted on 04/23/2013 5:46:29 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Amerika 2013


2 posted on 04/23/2013 5:48:29 AM PDT by Sybeck1 (What has the GOP done today to gain your support in 2014?)
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Police perform house-to-house raids in Watertown MA ripping innocent families from their homes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2LrbsUVSVl8


3 posted on 04/23/2013 5:49:31 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Odungoworld


4 posted on 04/23/2013 5:49:41 AM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Uncle Chip

Nothing illegal or disturbing here.


5 posted on 04/23/2013 5:49:45 AM PDT by Kozak (The Republic is dead. I do not owe what we have any loyalty, wealth or sympathy.)
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To: Doogle

Based on earlier thread, many Freepers are okay with this.


6 posted on 04/23/2013 5:50:27 AM PDT by Kozak (The Republic is dead. I do not owe what we have any loyalty, wealth or sympathy.)
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To: Uncle Chip

We give up our rights so easily... just to whit... on the day of the bombing, cell phones were shut down. While I understand the safety slant, but doesn’t that bother anyone but me? I’m not a conspiracy theorist, but I’m sure “someone” is taking close note as to how well this shutdown and search worked. And no worries about facing resistance... gun control and all that.


7 posted on 04/23/2013 5:51:05 AM PDT by myrabach
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To: Uncle Chip

Didnt the SCOTUS make same sex sodomy a new constitutional right ~ 2003 to stop this type of stuff? What if two guys were in the bedroom..... when this happened??
right to privacy.....and this is in MA too...
Unless someone was suspected of smoking that’s different.


8 posted on 04/23/2013 5:51:20 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: Uncle Chip
A Brit tabloid, quoting InfoWars. Yay.

At the time, the Boston police department and federal agents were barely criticized, but now many are concerned about the dangerous precedent that could lead to more police searches using the rationale of ‘exigent circumstances’ as an excuse.

Yeah. But so far, the concern is from keyboard commandos who live hundreds or thousands of miles from where a terrorist was on the loose who had killed and maimed almost two hundred American citizens, including children.

Near as I can tell, the people of Watertown are still cheering the police.

9 posted on 04/23/2013 5:51:41 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (RINOism to Libertarianism: Out of the frying pan and into the fire.)
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To: Uncle Chip

It is a pathetic statement on the utter collusion this US media has with the Federal Government in keeping the truth from its citizens. It is further embarrassing that one has to go to a foreign newspaper to get the truth.


10 posted on 04/23/2013 5:52:06 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Uncle Chip

they are gonna get in trouble, mark my words, someone needs to hold these axels feet to the fire


11 posted on 04/23/2013 5:52:48 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Uncle Chip


12 posted on 04/23/2013 5:52:52 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: EternalVigilance

>>Near as I can tell, the people of Watertown are still cheering the police.

Of course they are...its never hard to find boot-lickers no matter how atrocious the behavior.


13 posted on 04/23/2013 5:53:17 AM PDT by qwerty1234
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To: Kozak

No, only some one named Ever Vigilant thinks this was cool awesome and okay


14 posted on 04/23/2013 5:53:28 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Uncle Chip

Anybody who thought the evacuations were voluntary is naive. I don’t know that the police ever said (not to the people being forced out, but to the press or public) the evacuations were voluntary, but if they did, that doesn’t speak well for their honesty.


15 posted on 04/23/2013 5:53:43 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Uncle Chip

There is no way this can be considered kosher


16 posted on 04/23/2013 5:56:08 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Uncle Chip

Fascism on parade. ...and you think things will be just peachy if SHTF.


17 posted on 04/23/2013 5:56:29 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: EternalVigilance
Yeah. But so far, the concern is from keyboard commandos

You sure like to throw that "keyboard commando" insult around. I spent 20 years as a police officer, suffering my share of attacks and injuries and receiving a fair share of commendations. I'm not trying to boast, but to show how your "keyboard commando" insult is ridiculous. It's an ad hominem attack designed to deflect from your inability to make your case succinctly. I think I have every right to question the police, I've been in their shoes.

You never answered my question from the other thread (for obvious reasons), you just misdirected to another topic:

Given that on an almost nightly basis, violent felons (murderers, armed carjackers, AWIK [Assault with Intent to Kill], etc.) run from the police in DC and get away into a neighborhood, do you support the DC police doing each night what Boston did in this particular event?

18 posted on 04/23/2013 5:57:40 AM PDT by 101stAirborneVet
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To: EternalVigilance
Near as I can tell, the people of Watertown are still cheering the police.

The people in Watertown cheering the police didn't have this happen to them and haven't seen this video. They will now and many won't be cheering.

The authorities tell people to lock their doors and shelter in place and then they violate their own orders.

They manhandled this family worse than they did the thug himself.

And while they are doing this the thug is sheltering in place 5 blocks down the street in a boat that they should have been searching with their 9000 Boston Strong instead of terrorizing this family.

19 posted on 04/23/2013 5:58:28 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: 101stAirborneVet

Actually I did answer you. You’ll have to go back a read the thread.


20 posted on 04/23/2013 5:58:57 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (RINOism to Libertarianism: Out of the frying pan and into the fire.)
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To: Uncle Chip
Just wait until they force us all to live in government-provided high-rise containment-facilities.

They'll have surveillance cameras in every room, because it ain't your property.

21 posted on 04/23/2013 5:59:02 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Deficit spending is simply a scheme for the confiscation of wealth." --Alan Greenspan)
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To: Kozak
Based on earlier thread, many Freepers are okay with this.

Actually no -- just a few boneheads

22 posted on 04/23/2013 5:59:38 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: yldstrk

“... only some one named Ever Vigilant thinks this was cool...”

What he or she doesn’t realize is everything is a test. (Not initially one but seen as one now). How easy the Bostonians surrendered their freedom from movement, running a business or stepping out of their home. Force them out of their home via gunpoint and they not only comply.. they cheer. The fact that the media hasn’t discussed this much just proves how easy it is to take America via force IMHO.


23 posted on 04/23/2013 5:59:44 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: Kozak

..we’d have to know the circumstances under which the house was searched....was the address a known address the bombers were familiar with, was the house (or address) also connected with the other two men here illegally associated and still in jail?


24 posted on 04/23/2013 5:59:57 AM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Uncle Chip
The people in Watertown cheering the police didn't have this happen to them and haven't seen this video. They will now and many won't be cheering.

Let me know when you find one. So far, every person I've talked to in Mass about this supports law enforcement, and they think what is being said about them is grossly offensive.

25 posted on 04/23/2013 6:00:52 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (RINOism to Libertarianism: Out of the frying pan and into the fire.)
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To: EternalVigilance

WHAT two hundred American’s killed and maimed?


26 posted on 04/23/2013 6:00:59 AM PDT by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: 101stAirborneVet

My question, if you were controlling that manhunt..wouldn’t you have used dogs from the scene of the last known vehicle that he used that was abandoned???

Here is why the tarp photo is important
From my post:

“I understand why people are confused but you have to step back and look at the whole picture.

It doesn’t add up.

The story now is that it is a neighbor’s surveillance camera that took that picture on the night/early morning before the door to door search. Is it??????? Or is it a story to hide his condition

Think about the condition of that guy. Could he actually step out of the boat like that with a throat wound after the boat was shot up and he was flash banged and he spent all night losing blood.. Where is the blood all over him.

So what really happened.

The guy is in a car that got shot up. He is escaping on wheels.

That doesn’t warrant a warrantless search the likes of which we saw on Friday because he could be ANYWHERE IN ANY STATE.

But if they found the abandoned car then it might give a basis for the massive swat armored car police state.

HOWEVER, a trained dog would have picked up that scent.

It is just mighty convenient that they found him after the massive warrantless searches were over but no dog found him from a blood trail scent.

My little dog can pick up a scent and you see her follow it with her nose to the ground.

You can’t tell me trained dogs couldn’t have found him if properly utilized.

That’s why they use dogs for manhunts.

So the question is....was that picture take before the door to door manhunt or after?

If after, that is not the same kid in the same condition he would have been after being shot in the throat.

If before, how do you explain the torn tarp??? And no one seeing it all day long.”


27 posted on 04/23/2013 6:02:03 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: momtothree

Bostonians ain’t Texans...
or Kansans, either, for that matter...

to whit: “Kansas Legislature Sends Governor Strongest Pro-gun Bill in Country”


28 posted on 04/23/2013 6:02:04 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Uncle Chip

Like hunting rabbits...media=hunters, cops=dogs, homes=briar patches, terrorist=rabbits. This sort of thing has been going on forever


29 posted on 04/23/2013 6:02:53 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: SatinDoll
WHAT two hundred American’s killed and maimed?

How quickly people forget.

30 posted on 04/23/2013 6:02:59 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (RINOism to Libertarianism: Out of the frying pan and into the fire.)
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To: Uncle Chip

The Fascists in Amerika show their faces to the people.

This will be the same tactic used to take away our firearms.

Then it will be used to take away conservatives to re-education camps so all our property can be taken and redistributed to the leftist voters, and the fulfillment of Bill Ayers statement that upwards of 30 million Americans will need to be eliminated in order to install a socialist state in the US.

Welcome to the New World Order complete with Fascist Storm Troopers, “just following orders”.

Please take note that NO republican in office has so much as said a word, much less our brave conservative radio talk show talking bobble heads


31 posted on 04/23/2013 6:03:05 AM PDT by stockpirate (COME AND GET THEM.....)
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To: momtothree

I agree with you, when it was said that Boston residents had to stay home, I thought if it was me, I’d be heading on in to work, po po order notwithstanding


32 posted on 04/23/2013 6:03:23 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Uncle Chip

House to house searches and the fourth amendment

http://www.volokh.com/2013/04/19/house-to-house-searches-and-the-fourth-amendment/


33 posted on 04/23/2013 6:03:37 AM PDT by justice14 ("Christ is Victorious" / @rjustice21)
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To: myrabach

That’s why everyone should have CB radios and land-lines


34 posted on 04/23/2013 6:03:37 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: EternalVigilance

How quickly people, like you, make things up.


35 posted on 04/23/2013 6:03:49 AM PDT by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: qwerty1234

Consider the location and that speaks volumns. Now go out to Arizona, Wyoming or Texas and try that.


36 posted on 04/23/2013 6:05:12 AM PDT by Portcall24
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To: qwerty1234

Maybe people think differently about these things when they are actually involved, as opposed to sitting at a keyboard?


37 posted on 04/23/2013 6:05:26 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: SatinDoll

I’m baffled. You’re not aware that these terrorists either killed or maimed almost two hundred people in Boston last Monday?


38 posted on 04/23/2013 6:06:04 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (RINOism to Libertarianism: Out of the frying pan and into the fire.)
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To: EternalVigilance
Actually I did answer you. You’ll have to go back a read the thread.

No, you did not. You misdirected and brought up "hot pursuit", as in when the police observe a suspect running into a particular building, they need not obtain a warrant to pursue him into that particular building.

39 posted on 04/23/2013 6:06:57 AM PDT by 101stAirborneVet
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To: yldstrk

I just knew EV will show up.


40 posted on 04/23/2013 6:07:28 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: EternalVigilance
Let me know when you find one.

You dumb idiot. Start with the guy who filmed the encounter.

41 posted on 04/23/2013 6:08:11 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Testing... testing...test done.


42 posted on 04/23/2013 6:08:30 AM PDT by RetSignman ("...a Republic if you can keep it")
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To: 101stAirborneVet

Can you point me to one legitimate source that is claiming these searches were illegal?

Because the source of this article is InfoWars.

Is Alex Jones your authority on these matters?


43 posted on 04/23/2013 6:09:12 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (RINOism to Libertarianism: Out of the frying pan and into the fire.)
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To: Kozak

Probable cause
Main article: Probable cause
When police conduct a search, the amendment requires that the warrant establishes probable cause to believe that the search will uncover criminal activity or contraband. They must have legally sufficient reasons to believe a search is necessary. In Carroll v. United States, 267 U.S. 132 (1925), the Supreme Court stated that probable cause to search is a flexible, common-sense standard. To that end, the Court ruled in Dumbra v. United States, 268 U.S. 435 (1925), that the term probable cause means “less than evidence that would justify condemnation,” reiterating Carroll’s assertion that it merely requires that the facts available to the officer would “warrant a man of reasonable caution” in the belief that specific items may be contraband or stolen property or useful as evidence of a crime.[42] It does not demand any showing that such a belief be correct or more likely true than false. A “practical, non-technical” probability that incriminating evidence is involved is all that is required.[43] In Illinois v. Gates, 462 U.S. 213 (1983), the Supreme Court ruled that the reliability of an informant is to be determined based on the “totality of the circumstances.”
At common law, a police officer could arrest an individual if that individual committed a misdemeanor in the officer’s presence or if the officer had probable cause to believe that the individual committed a felony. For misdemeanors, probable cause to believe that a wrongdoer committed a misdemeanor is not sufficient for an arrest—the police officer has to actually witness the misdemeanor.[34]
The standards of probable cause differ for an arrest and a search. The government has a probable cause to make an arrest when “the facts and circumstances within their knowledge and of which they had reasonably trustworthy information” would lead a prudent person to believe that the arrested person had committed or was committing a crime.[44] Probable cause to arrest must exist before the arrest is made. Evidence obtained after the arrest may not apply retroactively to justify the arrest.[45]


44 posted on 04/23/2013 6:09:16 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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bookmark


45 posted on 04/23/2013 6:11:44 AM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: EternalVigilance
Near as I can tell, the people of Watertown are still cheering the police.

Yep, that's how liberty dies ... with thunderous applause.

Do you also advocate this tactic for cleaning up the barbarian gangs in Chicago killing ten people every week?

46 posted on 04/23/2013 6:12:12 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: EternalVigilance
Because the source of this article is InfoWars.

BS -- that video was posted here long before Infowars got a hold of it.

47 posted on 04/23/2013 6:12:34 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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If they just wanted the houses “evacuated”, why were they frisking everyone who came out???


48 posted on 04/23/2013 6:12:47 AM PDT by Boonie
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To: knarf

Is it reasonable to conduct a house to house ARMED SWAT TEAM MILITARY STYLE POLICE STATE search forcing people out of their homes, scaring children , demanding come out with your hands up..patting you down as you try to get out of your house on the sidewalk....

WHEN YOU DONT EVEN USE DOGS TO TRAIL THE GUYS SCENT TO HIS REAL HIDEOUT????

The search they did IS NOT REASONABLE when they don’t even use basic police tools to catch a killer.


49 posted on 04/23/2013 6:14:21 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick
RummyChick,

I have two cousins (Boston Police officers) that were involved in the search. The escape car was abandoned in the neighborhood that was searched. They did have search dogs involved in the search for suspect#2. Initially there was a blood trail that lead to a basement of a house in the area. At one point he was in the basement but fled. The boat was just outside the search perimeter which is why it wasn't searched before. The police suspected that a terrorists cell may be harboring suspect#2. Both suspects used bombs against the police earlier that night. They assumed that suspect#2 still had explosives. The boat owner did not notice the torn tarp since he was in is house all day under the shelter in place order. It wasn't until the order was lifted and he went outside to smoke that he saw the torn tarp.

50 posted on 04/23/2013 6:14:49 AM PDT by outpostinmass2
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