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Police probe possible link between Marathon bomber and unsolved triple homicide in Waltham
Boston Globe ^ | 04/22/2013 | Michael Rezendes

Posted on 04/22/2013 5:19:50 PM PDT by Enchante

Waltham police have stepped up their investigation of a 2011 triple homicide where a friend of suspected Boston Marathon bomber Tamerlan Tsarnaev was brutally murdered, according to a relative of one of the victims who was interviewed by the Globe.

The relative said Sunday that police have renewed the investigation at the request of victims’ relatives who believe Tamerlan, and perhaps his younger brother, Dzhokhar, played a role in the homicides. Authorities have said the victims all had their throats slit.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Massachusetts; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 2011; 201109; 20110911; boston; bostonbombing; brendanmess; erikweissman; islam; jihad; raphaelteken; slitthroats; tamerlan; tamerlantsarnaev; throatslitting; triplehomicide; tsarnaev; waltham; wot
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I thought this unsolved case deserved the most vigorous re-investigation the moment I read about it the other day.

Tamerlan's former roommate and "best friend" is savagely murdered along with two other guys (I know he once said he had no American friends, but years after he introduced Brendan Mess as his "best friend").

On the flippin' TENTH ANNIVERSARY of the 9/11 attacks!!

Now the scene was staged to suggest some kind of drug issue with pot spread over the bodies, but that could well be a diversion. I haven't yet seen anything to suggest that Brendan Mess and the others had anything to do with drugs, but whether or not they did (could be part of the motivation for someone like Tamerlan to kill them), it is highly suspicious that such an Al Qaeda style butchery (throat slitting) should happen to ppl close to Tamerlan on the very 10th ANNIVERSARY of 9/11 no less.

1 posted on 04/22/2013 5:19:50 PM PDT by Enchante
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Suspicion is not evidence, of course, but these unsolved murders should be regarded as highly suspicious in relation to the Boston terrorists. Every possible lead needs to be examined. “Interesting” to know whether or not Tamerlan came under close intensive scrutiny two years ago, since he should have been an obvious potential “person of interest” — did political correctness divert investigators from looking too closely at a fervent Muslim who increasingly believed in jihad???


2 posted on 04/22/2013 5:22:38 PM PDT by Enchante
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To: Enchante

Thiswill push them to the top of liberal Icons.

We may see a push by Chris Matthews for a day honoring them.


3 posted on 04/22/2013 5:23:04 PM PDT by NoLibZone (None here can be puzzled by why Jews walked into the cars so quietly- we are walking up the planks.)
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To: Enchante

Some of us said that the night of the live thread on the MIT shooting when someone posted the info.it is clear as day. He left the gym he went to...then left the country for six months. Probably the best friend discovered his terror plot.


4 posted on 04/22/2013 5:23:55 PM PDT by penelopesire (TIME FOR OBAMA TO ANSWER FOR BENGHAZI UNDER OATH!!)
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To: Enchante

Two of the victims were Jewish....

What are the odds?

About one in three thousand, actually.


5 posted on 04/22/2013 5:24:27 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Leftists' favorite Mass Murderer: Kermit Gosnell)
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To: Enchante

The guys killed were druggies. Do a search on the names and you get informed dialog from friends and users who agree they dealt..

But what if murdering his dealer was the first step in Al Qaeda’s get off drugs program?

Makes sense.


6 posted on 04/22/2013 5:27:12 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Leftists' favorite Mass Murderer: Kermit Gosnell)
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To: Enchante

Their throats were cut so severely, the victims were almost beheaded....Cash and dope was just left in the residence, which clearly seemed to indicate this was no robbery.


7 posted on 04/22/2013 5:27:20 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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It’s possible that one or more of the three murder victims became aware of something suspicious about Tamerlan and/or his brother. Supposedly Al Qaeda and similar terror groups like to “blood” their recruits with some murderous activity before bringing them into more sensitive plots.

However, the fact that someone so close to Tamerlan MIGHT easily have led investigators to focus upon Tamerlan makes me wonder if it was more along the lines of a fracas over the anniversary of 9/11, and/or if Tamerlan said or did something that revealed his jihad loyalties, etc.

Just guessing, but if the Boston Bombers were involved in this past triple murder (on 9/11/2011) I’d suspect it was something sudden, as in a confrontation about 9/11 or jihad/Islam etc. that spun out of control.... or the roommate learned something about Tamerlan that meant (to a terrorist cell) that the guy had to be gotten rid of fast.


8 posted on 04/22/2013 5:27:53 PM PDT by Enchante
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To: Enchante

After the murders, they were looking for two men.


9 posted on 04/22/2013 5:28:27 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: Enchante
Good comments at source.

The younger brother was a pot-head but such was against strict islam (and this was a way for him to break from this habit)...and such a murder would have been a good training exercise for bigger work (or so the directing organization might have thought).

10 posted on 04/22/2013 5:31:56 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (Get armed, practice in the use of your weapons, get physically fit, stay alert!)
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To: Enchante

He and Brendan Mess would go to the gym together. After the murder, Tamerlan stopped going, and according to a UK paper, he didn’t go to Brendan’s funeral, which folks found rather strange. Throats slashed, pot and money tossed over the bodies. It’s been said Tamerlan’s attitude changed after Brendan’s death. Was that change caused because he and his brother got away with the murders?


11 posted on 04/22/2013 5:32:36 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: Enchante
Supposedly Al Qaeda and similar terror groups like to “blood” their recruits with some murderous activity before bringing them into more sensitive plots.

Blood initiation is always important in preparation. Secures commitment and removes exit passageways.

12 posted on 04/22/2013 5:34:22 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (Get armed, practice in the use of your weapons, get physically fit, stay alert!)
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"....then left the country for six months."

Have they published the actual dates he was out of the country in 2011? I say 2011, because I'm assuming he was interviewed by the FBI at Russia's request, sometime after returning from there. Brother is naturalized on 9/11/11. Murders occurred 9/12/11. Was he interviewed by the FBI before or after the murders? Anybody know?

13 posted on 04/22/2013 5:37:43 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: bmwcyle

Ping.


14 posted on 04/22/2013 5:47:35 PM PDT by Apple Blossom (Politicians are like diapers, they both need changed regularly, and for the same reason.)
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To: mass55th
Folks were putting their own "view" on the change. The terrorists certainly had access to these people. I'm inclined to think the older one said something and his friend questioned it...and the older bro raged.

The older one had a felony for violence...What was that about??

15 posted on 04/22/2013 5:49:30 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Enchante
Legislation is immediately needed to outlaw knives!!!

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16 posted on 04/22/2013 5:51:27 PM PDT by vox_freedom (America is being tested as never before in its history. May God help us.)
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I have a feeling that his 'handlers' made the hit, to show the brothers what would happen to them if they continued to do drugs, and if they continued to make 'friends' with non-Muslims.

That changed their 'attitude', rather quickly, and would explain why Tamerlan quit going to the gym.

17 posted on 04/22/2013 5:52:02 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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Could well be.... hope this is investigated HARD.....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2312814/Tamerlan-Tsarnaev-Friends-suspect-Boston-bomber-murdering-American-friend-2011.html


18 posted on 04/22/2013 5:54:04 PM PDT by Enchante
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To: Uncle Miltie
But what if murdering his dealer was the first step in Al Qaeda’s get off drugs program?

Makes no sense. What would fit better is if his 'handlers' did it to get him off drugs, and ensure he would be ready for his 'task'.

19 posted on 04/22/2013 5:55:02 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: UCANSEE2

If the handlers did the hit they might have first made sure that Tamerlan and his brother had ironclad alibis so that nothing could possibly point to them..... it will be interesting to learn whether police looked at that aspect and if Tamerlan did in fact have a tight alibi.


20 posted on 04/22/2013 5:55:39 PM PDT by Enchante
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To: Sacajaweau
"The older one had a felony for violence...What was that about?? "

Domestic Violence. Assaulted his girlfriend. It shows a propensity for violence. Just another scumbag muzzie.

21 posted on 04/22/2013 5:55:54 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: potlatch; PhilDragoo

Ping


22 posted on 04/22/2013 6:01:43 PM PDT by ntnychik
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To: mass55th; Sacajaweau

Yes, although I think he was only arrested, not charged and convicted. He was let off easily, but did not have a felony conviction, so far as I have seen.....

As for his trip to Russia, it was Jan. to July 2012, I believe.


23 posted on 04/22/2013 6:02:19 PM PDT by Enchante
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To: mass55th

We had a Muslim woman here speaking in my hometown. Someone asked her about men beating their wives. The Lady said...”That’s allowable under our laws”...and went right on.


24 posted on 04/22/2013 6:03:31 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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if Tamerlan did in fact have a tight alibi.

He did. He was soliciting votes for Muslims for Obama committee, Boston chapter.

25 posted on 04/22/2013 6:04:45 PM PDT by AmusedBystander (The philosophy of the school room in one generation will be the philosophy of government in the next)
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To: mass55th

Brother was made a citizen on 9/11/12...not 2011. Murders occurred on 9/12/11. Not sure about the exact dates he was out of country yet.


26 posted on 04/22/2013 6:06:29 PM PDT by penelopesire (TIME FOR OBAMA TO ANSWER FOR BENGHAZI UNDER OATH!!)
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To: Enchante

Are going to charge Dzhokhar with his brother’s death.


27 posted on 04/22/2013 6:06:36 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (And winter is coming.)
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It’s possible Tamerlan killed them because they were a bad influence on his brother and, more importantly, the best freind was competition to Tamerlan’s influence on his brother. Besides, slicing throats is the Chechens preferred means of killing.


28 posted on 04/22/2013 6:06:39 PM PDT by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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They just said on Fox that last September 11th (2012) Tamerlan had a party. Celebrating with accomplices on the one year anniversary of the murder?


29 posted on 04/22/2013 6:12:34 PM PDT by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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"Brother is naturalized on 9/11/11.

No, Dzhokhar was naturalized last September, 9/11/2012

30 posted on 04/22/2013 6:15:32 PM PDT by cookcounty
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To: penelopesire

no, the bodies were found on 9/12/11, but according to a family member of one of the victims it is believed (with good reason) that the murders were likely committed just after 8 pm on 9/11/11....


[from Globe article]:

“But the relative interviewed by the Globe said the murders took place the evening before, on Sept. 11, the 10th anniversary of the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. The relative said he knew this because he was texting one of the victims about a Sunday night football game between the New York Jets and Dallas Cowboys when communication with the victims suddenly stopped at about 8:15 that evening.”

““The three of them were definitely killed on Sept. 11,” the relative said. “They all stopped using their cellphones at about eight o’clock that night.””


31 posted on 04/22/2013 6:18:27 PM PDT by Enchante
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To: cookcounty

can a “naturalized” citizenship be revoked for fraud and treason??

IF Dzhokhar was already part of any terror cell or plot before 9/11/12 it certainly ‘ought’ to be possible to revoke his citizenship, not that he would care now.... except that it should not be a bar to treating him as an “enemy combatant”.

The issue with EC vs. putting him through the civilian courts is whether we regard him as a possible source of intel on any terror organization or training. If he’s allowed to go the civilian route he automatically clams up behind lawyers.

ofc, we have such a wuss administration that they would not allow him to receive a proper “enhanced” interrogation at Gitmo.... but we should be treating him as a possible intel source, and not merely as an object of criminal law.


32 posted on 04/22/2013 6:22:52 PM PDT by Enchante
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To: Enchante

You must be responding to someone else. I did not write those words that you responded to.....????


33 posted on 04/22/2013 6:22:55 PM PDT by penelopesire (TIME FOR OBAMA TO ANSWER FOR BENGHAZI UNDER OATH!!)
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?? I thought these were your words: "Brother was made a citizen on 9/11/12...not 2011. Murders occurred on 9/12/11" I was pointing out that although the bodies were found on 9/12/11 there seems to be good reason to believe the murders took place the evening before, on 9/11/11.
34 posted on 04/22/2013 6:25:51 PM PDT by Enchante
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Found this on Russia Today website: "The state, which was not identified in the statement on the FBI website, filed a request concerning Tsarnaev saying that he was a follower of radical Islam and was preparing to leave the US for a particular region to join “unspecified underground groups.”

That was in 2011. the unknown state was Russia. So, if Russia suspected he was trying to join an underground group, and believed he would be leaving the US to pursue that interest, why did Russia allow him into the country in 2012? Were the Russians as unaware as the FBI of his presence in their country because his name was misspelled? Did he even make it to Russia, and did he go anywhere else while he was overseas? The FBI/CIA need to actively pursue this.

35 posted on 04/22/2013 6:27:59 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: Enchante

That they might have been murdered on 9/11/11 and the bodies were only found on 9/12/11 is entirely possible. My correction to your post was that the younger bomber was made a citizen on 9/11/12 from what I have read...a year after the murders.

It is obvious though that they had a fixation on that date. Very telling for sure.


36 posted on 04/22/2013 6:29:03 PM PDT by penelopesire (TIME FOR OBAMA TO ANSWER FOR BENGHAZI UNDER OATH!!)
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To: penelopesire; cookcounty

Thanks for the date correction.


37 posted on 04/22/2013 6:30:44 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: Enchante

Excellent.

Mark for future retrieval.


38 posted on 04/22/2013 6:34:02 PM PDT by amom
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To: penelopesire

ok but I was not the one who said 9/11/11 for the citizenship, I knew that was 9/11/12.

btw, although many are associating that with the younger brother’s choice of date (for becoming a US citizen), I strongly doubt that people about to become naturalized citizens get to choose the specific date of their ceremony. Much more likely they are assigned an upcoming ceremony weeks or months in advance, and that a lot of new citizens are being naturalized each 9/11 because of the meaning of that date for all of us since 2001.


39 posted on 04/22/2013 6:37:03 PM PDT by Enchante
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To: mass55th; Enchante

I was the one that responded to wrong post and got confused...lol...after Enchante responded to mine. I was originally responding to correct the dates in post 13.

Carry on....


40 posted on 04/22/2013 6:39:36 PM PDT by penelopesire (TIME FOR OBAMA TO ANSWER FOR BENGHAZI UNDER OATH!!)
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To: Enchante

Yep..had similar thought too the other night..although I do think the government makes a big deal out of that date for citizenship and probably promotes it..although I do not know for sure. I do know that every anniversary since 911, the media always covers these citizens being made citizens on that date. It could also just be a creepy synchronicity.


41 posted on 04/22/2013 6:43:46 PM PDT by penelopesire (TIME FOR OBAMA TO ANSWER FOR BENGHAZI UNDER OATH!!)
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To: Enchante

Tamerlan proving his bona fides to his controller??? “So, you say you are down with the struggle, eh? Well, prove it! Here’s what you need to do.”


42 posted on 04/22/2013 6:48:01 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Background checks, Mr. President? You first ...)
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To: dragnet2

beheading....wonder what human tribe that would be....


43 posted on 04/22/2013 6:52:51 PM PDT by B212
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To: penelopesire
Some of us said that the night of the live thread on the MIT shooting when someone posted the info.it is clear as day. He left the gym he went to...then left the country for six months. Probably the best friend discovered his terror plot.

More likely a case of three pot smoking infidels being killed by their former friend, customer and newly converted jihadist, Tamerlan.

Just a guess.

44 posted on 04/22/2013 6:57:52 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Enchante
Now the scene was staged to suggest some kind of drug issue with pot spread over the bodies, but that could well be a diversion.

I am not so sure it is a diversion. It could very well be a statement. Bare with me and consider this:
Tamerlan, who was becoming more religious, gave up his pot smoking ways. Perhaps he considered his former friends to be a bad influence on him. Maybe he broke down and smoked a bowl with them. Overcome with personal guilt he murdered them so that he wouldn't have to blame himself for his own actions. Dumping their own pot on them to show his disgust and prove that he was above that now. it really fits perfectly with islam, where women must cover themselves to remove temptation from the devotees of allah.

45 posted on 04/22/2013 6:59:32 PM PDT by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: Uncle Miltie

>>first step in Al Qaeda’s get off drugs program?

Too little too late. The giant bats and reptiles evidently got to him before he could step back from the edge of Fear and Loathing.


46 posted on 04/22/2013 7:09:32 PM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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To: mass55th
Domestic Violence. Assaulted his girlfriend.

That's not violence. That's just islam. You can't judge his culture. All cultures are equal. Sheesh, where have you been? Free Republic?

47 posted on 04/22/2013 7:10:38 PM PDT by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: Enchante

http://alyssalindley.tumblr.com/post/48368749553/ive-met-the-boston-bombers

the mother said 9/11 was an inside job.


48 posted on 04/22/2013 7:12:11 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Come Visit Tasmania!)
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To: Colorado Doug

>>Dumping their own pot on them to show his
>>disgust and prove that he was above that now.

Didn’t undo the pot-induced delusional psychosis though, did it.

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=marijuana-induced+psychosis


49 posted on 04/22/2013 7:12:52 PM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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To: FreeReign

Perhaps.


50 posted on 04/22/2013 7:14:40 PM PDT by penelopesire (TIME FOR OBAMA TO ANSWER FOR BENGHAZI UNDER OATH!!)
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